of all the moronic nanny-state nonsense...

Discussion in 'The Bike Cafe' started by CAMPYBOB, Jun 20, 2012.

  1. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    Hahahahah - Condolences first of all but god damn their stupidity hurts my brain.

    Mine too. Others...that may or may not have an actual brain...not so much.


    let me get this straight:
    man speeds on bike and breaks law
    man hits car and dies due to rider error
    family sues dork logger site because they were negligent?

    WOW, can i have my last 5 minutes back?


    Uh...pretty much yuppers and...ah...no.



    Seriously, a good chunk of the US legal system needs to be completely re-done. The airhead lawyer reassures me to some degree, she comes across completely stupid (and obviously out of touch with reality...CONES...yeah, really?)...but worryingly, she apparently has been taken seriously enough for the stupid suit to be filed in the first place.

    For sure it's a sad thing when somebody dies or is injured, but this business of looking for who's to blame when people do stuff that puts their lives at risk is really taking it too far. Reeks of greed, no two ways about it.


    Sir, I like the cut of your jib, but obviously you don't know the unknown facts!



    These damned people need to go out, get a Garmin toy and commit Stravacide. This would eliminate the unproductive and unpleasant people from the intarwebz!!!

    Damnit! Now I need to upgrade my cell or buy some TV screen distraction device with 14 lines of display to bolt onto my stem! I'll probably finally figure out how to use and program the damned thing just about the same time I get killed using it!

    49.3 MPH? I came within 4 MPH of that this afternoon without even trying! Sadly, the speed limit was 55 and I can't even get religion unless I'm breakin' da law!
     


  2. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    Life is short so I think I will just not take Cyber Life so seriously.

    It is a damned shame your attitude is not contagious. Like most of the commentors on the suit, I prefer to laugh at all of it.

    Life is short. In the case of 41-year young Mr. Flint...way too short.

    Thankfully, his short life and those of his bereaved parents and charlatan attorney are ALL serving as lessons of what not to be in life.

    See. Some good comes a horrible, tragic, needless, painful, sad, ...er...really, really stupid event.

    With just a little luck and perseverance on my part, there's a point zero, zero, zero, zero, four chance I can reach just one libtard...and that makes it all worthwhile! /img/vbsmilies/smilies/smile.gif It's like panning for gold in an Ohio creek...but, ya never know!

    Edit:

    Cyber-stalking? I like the sound of that...it sounds like...MONEY! Miss Phillips! Get my attorney on the line!

    We're all lucky. My expectations regarding just about anything are pretty low! And they are frequently met!
     
  3. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    Some days I read a post and feel that I have had my IQ violated to the point of having it reduced.

    How do you think I feel when I read the 348th variation on, "Which Shimano shifters do I need to get my Campagnolo Centaur derailleur to mate with a SRAM Powerdome cassette on my track bike?".

    Thank God...nay! Thank ALL the Gods we have Alf to address those threads!!!

    And Sheldon Brown...wherever you are...thank you for compiling that data to assist others in the ruination of the Campagnolo name!
     
  4. AlanG

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    Since you are running out of material on the Strava case, have veered to SRAM vs Campagnolo, maybe this is a good time to get your opinions on Leica cameras or Nikon vs. Canon, Chevy vs. Ford, Ginger vs. Marianne while you are at it. That should be good for 10 more pages at least. I hope you aren't running low on whatever it is you are taking.

    I'm now considering getting rid of my all Campagnolo bike.
     
  5. oldbobcat

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    Well now we agree on something. But I'm learning that ignoring douchebags and letting Alf show them how to convert a hybrid to a road bike (with Campagnolo levers and Shimano derailleurs) is better time management. And more entertaining.

    So why am I here? OK, it's kinda fun. Sort of like bear-baiting.
     
  6. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    Don't mean to be critical but in a society built by lawyers, for lawyers, these sort of spurious legal actions do not surprise me.
     
  7. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    So why am I here? OK, it's kinda fun. Sort of like bear-baiting.

    Woof!

    Hell, just reading the various comments about the suit I posted from around the intarwebz is enough to keep anyone with two brain cells still firing laughing for hours. If that's what coming out of Berzerkely these days, half of this forum must subscribe to Pravda. And NOT Strava!

    Eh...we could go back to listening to dorks reiterate the fact that T&S wheels aren't strong, heavy bike are just as good as lighter bikes, stiff wheels/frames suck, guns are icky or any number of bizarro threads. Of couse, only opinions endorsed by the hive are valid. All others will only result in fingers stuffed into ears and a chorus of "Lalalalalala".



    Don't mean to be critical but in a society built by lawyers, for lawyers, these sort of spurious legal actions do not surprise me.

    Oh...feel free to criticize! Our society is FUBAR with libtard lawyers! Our Federal level politicians were/are mainly from our moronic Lawyer Class of citizens (it should be noted that most are regarded as just above the Untouchables...sorry J!).

    It's not so much the spuriousness (is that a real word?) than is laughable, it's the simple fact that our conditioned drones actually mouth the words, "We don't have all the facts!" and have become so sensitized and PC as to genuinely believe a piece of software...some lines of code on a website permeated by morons like...ME!...can cause folks to go out and die.

    Stravacide?

    Hells bells! If that were real I'ld be using Hypnotoad to have the numerous jackasses here run right out and commit 'Campycide'...a somewhat gruesome method of impaling themselves on shimaNO brake levers that have been purposefully dulled by dragging them across the sacred rock high atop the Croce de Aune. OMIGAWD! Now I've done it! alienator's next of kin are already on the phone to the family shark!

    I can only hope I remembered to edit the Campycide instructions to include the placement of a pair of cones around the death site and strengthen the disclaimer on page one of the site signup!

    Again kiddees...repeat after me: It's NOT my fault!
     
  8. Ryan Weld

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    Society is unfair, personal responsibility is gone away from us.I just cann't imagine if there's a world war, how it becomes ……But we wouldn't dare ,as i know some people scale death than anyone else.
     
  9. AlanG

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    Don't worry. The number of people making poor choices is not going down.
     
  10. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry. The number of people making poor choices is not going down.

    Darwin used to balance the scales. Now, they live thru their moron behavior time after time without learning a damned thing...and then they reproduce. Their evil spawn become cyclists and post on BBS like the sex trophies they are. Or they are on Democratic Underground.

    Now...all we have left is...Strava.

    Ok...so which of you have signed up for that KOM ride that ends with a leap over the Grand Canyon?
     
  11. jhuskey

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    I had a female that placed her two year old on a picinc table bench. Guess what, he fell off and sustained injuries. She maintained that the holder that the umbrella was attached under the table was the cause. I responded that it was reasonable to assume that a two year old could forseeably fall and would impact something on the way down and could forseeably be injured.
    She then stated we should have childs seat available. I told her we did. She then argued we should have signs all over stating that we have the child seats.
    I then shot and killed her... no wait that's what I wanted to do. Poor child!
     
  12. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    I then shot and killed her... no wait that's what I wanted to do.

    LMFAO!!!!!

    No sane judge or jury would ever convict you after hearing that tale! Of course, FINDING a sane panel is impossible these days.Thank God she didn't find it was a Strava KOM event.
     
  13. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    Old, law-suit prone Strava email format:

    You just lost your KOM on XXXX to XXXX by X seconds. Better get out there and show them who’s boss!
    -Your friends at Strava



    Suggested revised Strava email format:

    "Riding in a safe, courteous predictable, and legal fashion, if conditions and present health allow, you might, at your own discretion, will, and initiative, assuming full responsibility for the result of your actions both to yourself or to others, show them who's boss!"

    http://djconnel.blogspot.com/2012/06/strava-flint-lawsuit.html

    Could this possibly get any more absurd?
     
  14. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    At last! I've found another Luddite in agreement with me!

    Perhaps they should sue the inventor of the Internet or the Inventor of GPS or the Inventor of the Transistor. YEAH, it’s the transistor’s fault! Without transistors, none of this could happen!

    0's and 1's!

    I blame the integers! And those damned unknown facts we can't know.

    My watch has a stop watch function and that encourages me to go too fast! My bike computer has an eeevil speedometer on it!

    There's no limit to the number of people, companies and technologies responsible for my behavior!
     
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    June 30, 2012
    When all else fails, blame social media BY JOHN BROWNING Herald-Banner Staff The Zope Gazette Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:41 PM CDT
    ROCKWALL — I frequently write about what I consider frivolous lawsuits and the attendant lack of accepting personal responsibility in many of these cases. I also often write about social media, and how the transformative effect social networking platforms have had on how we communicate has also impacted our legal system. Opportunities to discuss personal responsibility in the age of social media haven’t come up too often—until the recent case of William “Kim” Flint, that is. (actually, they do all the time. Much like the firearm threads in which folks willingly shirk personal responsibility.)

    Flint was an avid cyclist who died on June 19, 2010, when he was racing down a steep road in Berkeley, California at 40 miles per hour and had to brake suddenly, causing him to flip over a car. On the verge of the civil suit statute of limitations running, Flint’s family filed suit against Strava, a social media site for cyclists, claiming it was responsible for the 41 year-old electrical engineer’s death. Strava created a smartphone app that users can employ to track their rides, using GPS to map “routes.” The social aspect of this appears in the app’s comparative features, which allows a user to “compete” digitally with other users by comparing times on given routes and obtaining recognition for high scores (much like video arcade games of the past). A first place score or best time will earn a user the coveted status of “King of the Mountain.” At the time of his death, Flint was purportedly trying to reclaim his “King of the Mountain” status on a particular route. Susan Kang, the attorney representing Flints’ family, claims in a suit filed on June 18 in San Francisco Superior Court that responsibility for the accident rests not with the time-obsessed cyclist himself, but instead with Strava. She accuses the company of negligence for driving people to be more competitive and to take senseless risks, in a sense creating “a wild, wild West culture where [lawbreaking] is encouraged and rewarded with no warning about the risks.”

    To be fair, Strava’s name has come up in connection with a recent case in which vehicular manslaughter charges have been filed in San Francisco against cyclist Chris Bucchere. On March 29, Bucchere was riding down Castro Street doing approximately 35 mph when he allegedly ran a red light and struck 71 year-old pedestrian Sutchi Hui; Hui died four days later. Bucchere wrote about the accident on his Strava account.

    In a statement after the Flint lawsuit was filed, a Strava spokesman said “The death of Kim Flint was a tragic accident, and we expressed our sincere condolences when it occurred in 2010. Based on the facts involved in the accident and the law, there is no merit to this lawsuit. We again express our condolences to the Flint family, but we will defend the company vigorously through the legal process ahead.” Interestingly, however, since the filing of the suit, Strava has changed its terms of service, adding language to its “Disclaimer” section stating that the user agrees that there are “inherent and significant risks of property damage, bodily injury or death associated with athletic activities.” It also calls for the user to expressly agree that “Strava does not assume responsibility for the inspection, supervision, preparation, or conduct of any race, contest, group ride or event that utilizes Strava’s site.” Strava also removed the “King of the Mountain” designations for the accident site back in 2010 after Flint’s death, and it now features a notation that the descent is dangerous.

    Yet is this accident the fault of a social media site, or the cyclist who chose to hurtle down South Park Drive in the city’s Tilden Park at breakneck speed? Flint had achieved his “King of the Mountain” designation a couple of weeks before his death, reaching a speed of 49.3 mph and describing it enthusiastically in a Twitter post that such racing is “how I find religion on Sunday morning.” But on June 15, 2010, another cyclist surpassed Flint’s time by 4 seconds. In online forums, cycling enthusiasts have speculated that reclaiming his “King of the Mountain” status was what prompted Flint to undertake the dangerous descent that led to his death. Even the lawsuit itself describes Flint as “obsessed” with his scores.

    Call me crazy, but I find it hard to let a well-educated 41 year-old man off the hook for his own risky behavior and instead to lay the blame at the feet of a technology company. A lot of companies have jumped on the bandwagon of using the latest technology to gather and interpret data about peoples’ athletic activities. Want to keep a record of your heart rate during and after a workout? We’ve got equipment to help. Want to track your times as you train for a triathlon, and synch those with your social media profile so your training buddies, coaches, etc. can chime in? There’s an app for that. However, if you’re a grown man and you let your obsession with being better than anybody else at a certain activity drive you to unsafe behavior while engaging in that activity, you have no one to blame but yourself. Life is not an arcade game like “Donkey Kong,” and being obsessed with seeing your initials at the top of the leader board is not healthy—especially when you ignore common sense. I don’t need all the GPS data that Kim Flint undoubtedly had available to him to look at a ridiculously steep decent and think “Yeah, I could die trying this.” People need to take responsibility for their own actions and not be so quick to fault technology. In video or computer games, a player may get more than one life; in real life, that never happens.
     
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    It's possible that the poor guy was chasing a record which was set by some jerk who had Strava app running while he was driving his car. I friend of mine broke my record by going 33mph uphill (in his car). He said it was an accident and deleted his KOM.
     
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    I'm not a Strava user, but how would they know which routes are dangerous so they could remove them?

    Other than post-accident, that is.
     
  18. jpr95

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    Shhhh, blazingpedals...you're not supposed to talk like that here! Common sense is not allowed!
     
  19. BikeBikeBikeBike

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    Bob's one of the realest members of this community. I log in half the time and don't post just to read the stuff he puts.
    Freaking cracks me up! Talks truth like only a man of his generation can.
    Too bad the whole world is too damn sensitive and PC to truly appreciate a man of his wit.
     
  20. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    OBC didn't realize that I am only very rarely angry about anything in this thing we call "life".

    I will happily admit to be closed minded and some may find me unpleasant and even smelly after a long, hard workout. However, I bristle at the notion that I am somehow "unproductive". I have 'produced' all my life. From an early age I had a work ethic hammered into me and have not only kept my family in good stead, but have paid more than my share of taxes to keep this ever-increasing socialist Republic afloat.

    They will carry me to my grave STILL laughing at morons and their 'hit the Darwin Jackpot' lawsuits that can not take responsibility for their own retarded actions.

    Downhill KOM's...as much as I like STRAVA it is still filled with losers and cyclists. But, I repeat myself.

    BTW, Brian Toone quit STRAVA last week. Despite being one of the hardest men ever to win a state road championship, race RAAM, set climbing totals that are insane, etc. he just could not take any more of the retardeness that comes with using STRAVA. He was a STRAVA god and eventually found the actions of STRAVA users to be too much to endure.

    He.
    Quit.
     
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