OK Brian, Bruce etc..Foreign Policy WAY OT

[Jim Flom]

"Jonathan v.d. Sluis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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>>
>> Bill C wrote:
>> > How about you tell us how we reconcile our beliefs in human rights
>> and
>> > democracy in todays world? Sharia law is diametrically opposed to
>> > western values, yet Canada wants to impose it on Muslim females. The
>> > slaughter in Africa is based aroung the tribal warfare Henry keeps
>> > bringing up, but as PC North Americans and Europeans we have to
>> accept
>> > these cultures as equal to ours.
>> > Please tell me how you people can reconcile your values with
>> > supporting these culturews including China and Cuba.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> You don't reconcile those values.
>>
>> You understand that you can't make other cultures accept your values
>> any more than other cultures can make your culture accept their values.
>> K. Gringioni.
>
> Nationalism almost inevitably implies moral relativism. The conflict for
> the
> nationalist is that he desperately wants to be a moral absolutist, while
> he
> really isn't: deep down he is convinced that right and wrong are
> geographically defined. The typical solution is as logical as it is scary.
> It is to make sure that as much of the world as possible belongs to the
> same
> place, i.e. expand the nation to any practical limit.

I like your point but it seems to me you are saying the opposite -- that the
nationalist desperately wants to be a relativist (for appearances?), but
deep down is an absolutist, defined by his exportation of his geographically
defined values.

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:56:56 +0100, "Jonathan v.d. Sluis"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Nationalism almost inevitably implies moral relativism.

Nations, and perhaps nationalism, imply ethnic relativism. Nationalism
as often implies moral absolutism, with the second step holding the
other nation(s) to that absolute, followed by whatever was intended
from the get-go. That especially applies to the Western concept of
nationalism that veered into jingoism in the 18th, 19th and 20th
centuries.

Modern movements based on nationalism don't appear to be using moral
relativism as a pretext or a subtext. IMO an acceptance of moral
relativism (and that is not as accepted as ethnic relativism) would
increase an awareness of differences in cultures but facilitate the
reduction of nationalism in its most pejorative meanings.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[Stewart Fleming]

Sierraman wrote:
> That's just off the scale!

Interestingly enough, there was a 25-year flood in Central Otago here in
NZ at the same time last weekend as a similar level of flooding back at
my parent's place in Scotland. We've had the coldest wettest summer
since 1945 here. The sprinkler system is on

 

[Sierraman]

"Mark Fennell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yes, we've had an amazing amount of rain and snow, and not just in the
high
> mountains. We had over twenty inches of rain *just since Friday* in back
of
> Santa Barbara. All access in and out was cut off for a while yesterday.
And
> the back roads around Santa Barbara county are a disaster. Just in time
for
> the DiscoveryChannel team's arrival!
>
> Here are some pictures taken of hwy 101, the major coastal route in
southern
> California:
>
> http://www.opl.ucsb.edu/grace/lc/lc04.html

Judging from that maybe the best way to go north would be to go Ventura,
Santa Paula over to highway 99 to come up north instead of going to Paso
Robles although its more fun to take a straight shot from Paso Robles to
Oakhurst. My friend was heading up my way this week.
>
> Incredible.
>
> Mark
> (
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/e500747dcad947ed
> )
> what a difference a month makes...can you say "Karma"!?!
>
>

 

[k.papai]

1979, 1987, 2004, and now 2004 of the mudslide neighborhood:

http://www.kenpapai.com/images/mudslide2005.jpg

They lost 9 houses there 10 years ago. Now 20 more houses and more
lives lost yesterday. (between Carpinteria and Ventura, in CALIF.)

Historical Photos source:

http://www.californiacoastline.org/

I wonder if Lance and his Disco. crew will have dry roads to navigate
around there today and the next ten days while they train?

-Ken

 

[Sierraman]

"k.papai" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 1979, 1987, 2004, and now 2004 of the mudslide neighborhood:
>
> http://www.kenpapai.com/images/mudslide2005.jpg
>
> They lost 9 houses there 10 years ago. Now 20 more houses and more
> lives lost yesterday. (between Carpinteria and Ventura, in CALIF.)
>
> Historical Photos source:
>
> http://www.californiacoastline.org/
>
> I wonder if Lance and his Disco. crew will have dry roads to navigate
> around there today and the next ten days while they train?
>
> -Ken

I followed your earthquake up there years ago in SF very closely on the news
as there was more more local coverage of that here. I been picking up tons
of local coverage on all kinds of stuff statewide. Haven't heard much about
SF, I guess they are doing well although there used to be lot of homes built
on the sand over there by the bay. Wonder how things are holding out between
SF and Santa Cruz Along the coast highway.

B-

 

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k.papai wrote:
>
> http://www.californiacoastline.org/
>
> I wonder if Lance and his Disco. crew will have dry roads to navigate
> around there today and the next ten days while they train?

Lance bailed on Santa Barbara and was out for a ride near Sheryl's
pad in the LA hills when suddenly:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-011105landslide_pg,1,2013283.photogallery?index=14

Caltrans refused to confirm rumors that Brian Lafferty was seen
running from the hill above the road.
(Not a picture of the La Conchita mudslide, BTW)

 

[k.papai]

They BLEW UP that boulder today.
BLEW it UP!!!!

Now cyclists can get through. Whew.

-kjp

 

[Sierraman]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> k.papai wrote:
> >
> > http://www.californiacoastline.org/
> >
> > I wonder if Lance and his Disco. crew will have dry roads to navigate
> > around there today and the next ten days while they train?
>
> Lance bailed on Santa Barbara and was out for a ride near Sheryl's
> pad in the LA hills when suddenly:
>
>
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-011105landslide_pg,1,2013283.photogallery?index=14
>
> Caltrans refused to confirm rumors that Brian Lafferty was seen
> running from the hill above the road.
> (Not a picture of the La Conchita mudslide, BTW)

Funny, funny! That reminds me of the link Chung posted. Captain Kirk tryed
to push a rock off a cliff and take out his opponent who was standing just
below. The boulder was considerly smaller then that one, but then again it
didn't kill the opponent either.

http://www.scifilm.org/tv/startrek/startrek19.html

 

[Tim Lines]

Sierraman wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>k.papai wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.californiacoastline.org/
>>>
>>>I wonder if Lance and his Disco. crew will have dry roads to navigate
>>>around there today and the next ten days while they train?
>>
>>Lance bailed on Santa Barbara and was out for a ride near Sheryl's
>>pad in the LA hills when suddenly:
>>
>>
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-011105landslide_pg,1,2013283.photogallery?index=14
>
>>Caltrans refused to confirm rumors that Brian Lafferty was seen
>>running from the hill above the road.
>>(Not a picture of the La Conchita mudslide, BTW)
>
>
> Funny, funny! That reminds me of the link Chung posted. Captain Kirk tryed
> to push a rock off a cliff and take out his opponent who was standing just
> below. The boulder was considerly smaller then that one, but then again it
> didn't kill the opponent either.
>
> http://www.scifilm.org/tv/startrek/startrek19.html
>
>

Or tens of episodes of Road Runner cartoons. Picture Brian in the
Coyote role. Roll? Whatever.