Ok, my turn for a wheelset now! Advise me!

Black WTB Laser Disc Lite hubs (rebadged American Classics, and a lot cheaper) DT 14/15/14 DB black
spokes (yes, black, I'm vain) Mavic X317 Disc Rims

Price: $365, plus shipping.

I could substitute DT Supercomp spokes and save 60g for 20 extra bux. Also, I'm considering using DT
Swiss disc rims instead, they're a little heavier and $10 more for the set, but they'd be more
durable. Or I could save $15 off that price and put on Velocity VXC rims, but I don't know much
about those.

I'm a lightweight, remember, so I can get away with really light wheels and components.

I'd buy it in parts and try to build it myself if it were cheaper, but its going to come out to
about the same price, or even more expensive.

Gonna be built by Larry Mettler of http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com .... the guys on mtbr's boards
really seem to like him, and he knows his stuff.

Any other suggestions? I want a fairly lightweight non UST disc wheelset for under $400, but the
cheaper the better. XT disc hubs are just massively heavy. Those wheels above are over a pound and
a half lighter than the XT discs, and they'll drop my total bike weight to under 25 pounds (minus
mud weight!). Since I'm going to be racing it, and I'm a lightweight myself, thats a very nice
place to be.

Thanks!

Jon Bond

 

"Jonathan Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Black WTB Laser Disc Lite hubs (rebadged American Classics, and a lot cheaper) DT 14/15/14 DB
> black spokes (yes, black, I'm vain) Mavic X317 Disc Rims
>
> Price: $365, plus shipping.
>
> I could substitute DT Supercomp spokes and save 60g for 20 extra bux. Also, I'm considering using
> DT Swiss disc rims instead, they're a little heavier and $10 more for the set, but they'd be more
> durable. Or I could save $15 off that price and put on Velocity VXC rims, but I don't know much
> about those.
>
> I'm a lightweight, remember, so I can get away with really light wheels and components.
>
> I'd buy it in parts and try to build it myself if it were cheaper, but its going to come out to
> about the same price, or even more expensive.
>
> Gonna be built by Larry Mettler of http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com .... the guys on mtbr's boards
> really seem to like him, and he knows his stuff.
>
> Any other suggestions? I want a fairly lightweight non UST disc wheelset for under $400, but the
> cheaper the better. XT disc hubs are just massively heavy. Those wheels above are over a pound and
> a half lighter than the XT discs, and they'll drop my total bike weight to under 25 pounds (minus
> mud weight!). Since I'm going to be racing it, and I'm a lightweight myself, thats a very nice
> place to be.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jon Bond
>

Sometimes I like to fool around with bunny hops n stuff so when I switched from XT to CK, one of my
priorities was engagement because I was getting tired of the play in the XT's. Not sure if this
would be an issue for you since I'm unfamiliar with most other hubs. I sometimes regret not getting
disc enabled hubs but fortunately light (as compared to light V's) disc brakes still cost a bomb so
thats a consolation. No doubt discs offer a bit more but I can make do. For now.

bloocow - not really answering your Q.

 

bloocow wrote:
> "Jonathan Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>

>>
>>Black WTB Laser Disc Lite hubs (rebadged American Classics, and a lot cheaper) DT 14/15/14 DB
>>black spokes (yes, black, I'm vain) Mavic X317 Disc Rims
>>
>>Price: $365, plus shipping.
>>
>>I could substitute DT Supercomp spokes and save 60g for 20 extra bux. Also, I'm considering using
>>DT Swiss disc rims instead, they're a little heavier and $10 more for the set, but they'd be more
>>durable. Or I could save $15 off that price and put on Velocity VXC rims, but I don't know much
>>about those.
>>
>>I'm a lightweight, remember, so I can get away with really light wheels and components.
>>
>>I'd buy it in parts and try to build it myself if it were cheaper, but its going to come out to
>>about the same price, or even more expensive.
>>
>>Gonna be built by Larry Mettler of http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com .... the guys on mtbr's boards
>>really seem to like him, and he knows his stuff.
>>
>>Any other suggestions? I want a fairly lightweight non UST disc wheelset for under $400, but the
>>cheaper the better. XT disc hubs are just massively heavy. Those wheels above are over a pound and
>>a half lighter than the XT discs, and they'll drop my total bike weight to under 25 pounds (minus
>>mud weight!). Since I'm going to be racing it, and I'm a lightweight myself, thats a very nice
>>place to be.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Jon Bond
>>
>
>
> Sometimes I like to fool around with bunny hops n stuff so when I switched from XT to CK, one of
> my priorities was engagement because I was getting tired of the play in the XT's. Not sure if this
> would be an issue for you since I'm unfamiliar with most other hubs. I sometimes regret not
> getting disc enabled hubs but fortunately light (as compared to light V's) disc brakes still cost
> a bomb so thats a consolation. No doubt discs offer a bit more but I can make do. For now.
>
> bloocow - not really answering your Q.
>
>

I regularly dream of getting a ck rear just for the engangment, but the racket would drive me nuts.

 

Dick wrote:
>
>
> bloocow wrote:
>
>> "Jonathan Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>

>>>
>>> Black WTB Laser Disc Lite hubs (rebadged American Classics, and a lot cheaper) DT 14/15/14 DB
>>> black spokes (yes, black, I'm vain) Mavic X317 Disc Rims
>>>
>>> Price: $365, plus shipping.
>>>
>>> I could substitute DT Supercomp spokes and save 60g for 20 extra bux. Also, I'm considering
>>> using DT Swiss disc rims instead, they're a little heavier and $10 more for the set, but they'd
>>> be more durable. Or I could save $15 off that price and put on Velocity VXC rims, but I don't
>>> know much about those.
>>>
>>> I'm a lightweight, remember, so I can get away with really light wheels and components.
>>>
>>> I'd buy it in parts and try to build it myself if it were cheaper, but its going to come out to
>>> about the same price, or even more expensive.
>>>
>>> Gonna be built by Larry Mettler of http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com .... the guys on mtbr's boards
>>> really seem to like him, and he knows his stuff.
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions? I want a fairly lightweight non UST disc wheelset for under $400, but the
>>> cheaper the better. XT disc hubs are just massively heavy. Those wheels above are over a pound
>>> and a half lighter than the XT discs, and they'll drop my total bike weight to under 25 pounds
>>> (minus mud weight!). Since I'm going to be racing it, and I'm a lightweight myself, thats a very
>>> nice place to be.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jon Bond
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes I like to fool around with bunny hops n stuff so when I switched from XT to CK, one of
>> my priorities was engagement because I was getting tired of the play in the XT's. Not sure if
>> this would be an issue for you since I'm unfamiliar with most other hubs. I sometimes regret not
>> getting disc enabled hubs but fortunately light (as compared to light V's) disc brakes still cost
>> a bomb so thats a consolation. No doubt discs offer a bit more but I can make do. For now.
>>
>> bloocow - not really answering your Q.
>>
>>
>
> I regularly dream of getting a ck rear just for the engangment, but the racket would drive
> me nuts.
>

If I could afford CK, I'd get it. However, just the hubset would be more than what I'm paying for
those wheels above

Jon Bond

 

Jonathan Bond wrote:

>
> Black WTB Laser Disc Lite hubs (rebadged American Classics, and a lot cheaper) DT 14/15/14 DB
> black spokes (yes, black, I'm vain) Mavic X317 Disc Rims
>
> Price: $365, plus shipping.
>
> I could substitute DT Supercomp spokes and save 60g for 20 extra bux. Also, I'm considering using
> DT Swiss disc rims instead, they're a little heavier and $10 more for the set, but they'd be more
> durable. Or I could save $15 off that price and put on Velocity VXC rims, but I don't know much
> about those.
>
> I'm a lightweight, remember, so I can get away with really light wheels and components.
>
> I'd buy it in parts and try to build it myself if it were cheaper, but its going to come out to
> about the same price, or even more expensive.
>
> Gonna be built by Larry Mettler of http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com .... the guys on mtbr's boards
> really seem to like him, and he knows his stuff.
>
> Any other suggestions? I want a fairly lightweight non UST disc wheelset for under $400, but the
> cheaper the better. XT disc hubs are just massively heavy. Those wheels above are over a pound and
> a half lighter than the XT discs, and they'll drop my total bike weight to under 25 pounds (minus
> mud weight!). Since I'm going to be racing it, and I'm a lightweight myself, thats a very nice
> place to be.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jon Bond

I had an American Classic hub. It started spitting grease on the rotor after about 2 months (I
leared a lot about using mud to keep my discs working) and the bearings died at about 6 months --
and, yes I lubed them! Tech support didn't believe that they had gone bad. My LBS finally get them
to agree to send a new set (4) all with seals. They sent 4, but charged the LBS for 2 of them and
none of them had seals. *I* will never deal with Amecican Classic again. YMMV.

David

 

David Kunz wrote:
> Jonathan Bond wrote:
>

>>
>> Black WTB Laser Disc Lite hubs (rebadged American Classics, and a lot cheaper) DT 14/15/14 DB
>> black spokes (yes, black, I'm vain) Mavic X317 Disc Rims
>>
>> Price: $365, plus shipping.
>>
>> I could substitute DT Supercomp spokes and save 60g for 20 extra bux. Also, I'm considering using
>> DT Swiss disc rims instead, they're a little heavier and $10 more for the set, but they'd be more
>> durable. Or I could save $15 off that price and put on Velocity VXC rims, but I don't know much
>> about those.
>>
>> I'm a lightweight, remember, so I can get away with really light wheels and components.
>>
>> I'd buy it in parts and try to build it myself if it were cheaper, but its going to come out to
>> about the same price, or even more expensive.
>>
>> Gonna be built by Larry Mettler of http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com .... the guys on mtbr's boards
>> really seem to like him, and he knows his stuff.
>>
>> Any other suggestions? I want a fairly lightweight non UST disc wheelset for under $400, but the
>> cheaper the better. XT disc hubs are just massively heavy. Those wheels above are over a pound
>> and a half lighter than the XT discs, and they'll drop my total bike weight to under 25 pounds
>> (minus mud weight!). Since I'm going to be racing it, and I'm a lightweight myself, thats a very
>> nice place to be.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jon Bond
>
>
> I had an American Classic hub. It started spitting grease on the rotor after about 2 months (I
> leared a lot about using mud to keep my discs working) and the bearings died at about 6 months --
> and, yes I lubed them! Tech support didn't believe that they had gone bad. My LBS finally get them
> to agree to send a new set (4) all with seals. They sent 4, but charged the LBS for 2 of them and
> none of them had seals. *I* will never deal with Amecican Classic again. YMMV.
>
> David
>

WTB licensed the design, so they're very very very similar, but its a different company to deal
with. They're the new versions WITHOUT the great ports, since they had a lot of problems with the
grease injection. Apparently you were supposed to disassemble them first and remove seals before
injecting grease, which is just weird. These ones have double seals on both sides, and WTB should be
pretty good about customer service if they're anythign like they'v been in the past.

However, thats still definitely something to consider. Alternatives? I could get hope XC hubs, which
would be a lot heavier, but a little bit cheaper ($310, might be the way to go).

Thanks!

Jon Bond