Alright I can't hold back the laughter anymore. For some reason some of you clowns think I am new. I have been on here for a few years now. I didn't change my username or anything somehow with the indoor park thing JD interpreted me as being new?! Ha ha knee jerk reaction. I walked right into many of your traps just to see if the 'ol buttons still work when pressed. yes they do! C'mon change up and get a little creative people. JD "yes" I did meet and ride with you with the Spokejunkies in Ohio at Vulture's Knob. I mentioned this to you earlier but you got all defensive... Yea I know people this is hard to believe ;-) but in person he was a really genuine nice guy, a real pussycat. Chill bro. I know you hate me posting about the Indoor Park and I just ran with it. From now on I will put some type of disclaimer in the subject header so those who don't want to read about it don't have too. If that isn't good enough for you oh well. BTW I will be out your way in the spring if you want to ride and yes I ride XC up and down real Mountains. If you are going to respond with some seething BS don't bother I know you are a pussycat... on second thought bring it on big boy! GT most of the posts we have exchanged over the years have been positive but c'mon man you have been sounding like a Jag off hatchling ;-) Oh and I like it baby. Ride-a-lot, I appreciate your effort trying to stop that guy harrasing JD. You seem like a nice guy and I like you. You see when you said "I have your gateway now give me your IP... don't blah blah, I realized that you might need help. Look man like it or not dealing with these modern networks and DHCP the truth is sometimes my layer 3 gateway is in Indiana, sometimes, Chicago and yes sometimes in California based upon network congetsion. You are right you can trace that but the targets layer 2 gateway is ALWAYS at the local physical central office and that is what you need to find. No cookie or traceroute/whois is gonna see that. When I was on last you were right my router was in Michigan but other people in the same segment (broadcast domain and I was sniffing) were anywhere from 350 miles to 10 miles away from me and that ain't good enough to find my true physical location without outside help from the carrier ir ISP. That guy is behind a proxy server and NAT'ing. You need specific help beyond what you are doing. That is not going to be easy unless you... well I am sure you will figure it out ;-) just let the IP part of it go and get in the laver 2 part. Oh well have a great Holiday all!