old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes

[J Brown]

I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.

Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
---------------
Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
sprockets from the hub?

Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
---------------

There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.

Cheers,
Joel

 

[A Muzi]

J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.

Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or road
chain, it matters not.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[A Muzi]

J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.

Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or road
chain, it matters not.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[[email protected]]

Andrew Muzi writes:

>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :

>> ---------------
>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the
>> 10s sprockets from the hub?

>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets because
>> the chain is too wide.
>> ---------------

>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world
>> info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.

> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
> road chain, it matters not.

Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain whip
on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog

Jobst Brandt

 

[[email protected]]

Andrew Muzi writes:

>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :

>> ---------------
>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the
>> 10s sprockets from the hub?

>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets because
>> the chain is too wide.
>> ---------------

>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world
>> info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.

> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
> road chain, it matters not.

Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain whip
on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog

Jobst Brandt

 

[A Muzi]

>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
>>> ---------------
>>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the
>>> 10s sprockets from the hub?
>>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets because
>>> the chain is too wide.
>>> ---------------
>>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world
>>> info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.

> Andrew Muzi writes:
>> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
>> road chain, it matters not.

[email protected] wrote:
> Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain whip
> on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.
> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog

OK, I guess that's redundant for either use of 'cog'. How about:

Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear; track or
road chain, it matters not.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[A Muzi]

>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
>>> ---------------
>>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the
>>> 10s sprockets from the hub?
>>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets because
>>> the chain is too wide.
>>> ---------------
>>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world
>>> info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.

> Andrew Muzi writes:
>> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
>> road chain, it matters not.

[email protected] wrote:
> Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain whip
> on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.
> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog

OK, I guess that's redundant for either use of 'cog'. How about:

Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear; track or
road chain, it matters not.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[Scott Gordo]

On Nov 9, 1:19 pm, J Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> Fromhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y:
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel

Does anyone even _make_ a 10sp-specific whip? Does the whip's chain
have to be Campy as well?

Pretty funny. Maybe you could poke out the chain rivet from your
current tool and substitute a Campy 10 chain (using, of course, their
proprietary chain breaker.)

/s

 

[Scott Gordo]

On Nov 9, 1:19 pm, J Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> Fromhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y:
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel

Does anyone even _make_ a 10sp-specific whip? Does the whip's chain
have to be Campy as well?

Pretty funny. Maybe you could poke out the chain rivet from your
current tool and substitute a Campy 10 chain (using, of course, their
proprietary chain breaker.)

/s

 

[[email protected]]

Andrew Muzi writes writes:

>>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y

>>>> ---------------
>>>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove
>>>> the 10s sprockets from the hub?

>>>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>>>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>>>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets
>>>> because the chain is too wide.
>>>> ---------------

>>>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with
>>>> real-world info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim
>>>> too.

>>> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
>>> road chain, it matters not.

>> Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain
>> whip on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog

> OK, I guess that's redundant for either use of 'cog'. How about:

> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear; track or
> road chain, it matters not.

Excellent, except people who ask such questions aren't clear on which
sprocket on the cluster is low and high. That's why I suggested
"largest sprocket".

Jobst Brandt

 

[[email protected]]

Andrew Muzi writes writes:

>>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y

>>>> ---------------
>>>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove
>>>> the 10s sprockets from the hub?

>>>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>>>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>>>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets
>>>> because the chain is too wide.
>>>> ---------------

>>>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with
>>>> real-world info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim
>>>> too.

>>> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
>>> road chain, it matters not.

>> Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain
>> whip on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog

> OK, I guess that's redundant for either use of 'cog'. How about:

> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear; track or
> road chain, it matters not.

Excellent, except people who ask such questions aren't clear on which
sprocket on the cluster is low and high. That's why I suggested
"largest sprocket".

Jobst Brandt

 

[Pete Biggs]

J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels, IME.

~PB

 

[Pete Biggs]

J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels, IME.

~PB

 

[A Muzi]

> J Brown wrote:
>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

Pete Biggs wrote:
> A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels, IME.

A track chain works on the big one, too. It really does not matter.

well, perhaps tightly if you your low gears are 19 and 21...
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[A Muzi]

> J Brown wrote:
>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?

Pete Biggs wrote:
> A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels, IME.

A track chain works on the big one, too. It really does not matter.

well, perhaps tightly if you your low gears are 19 and 21...
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[J Brown]

Thanks to all.

As soon as I read Andrew's first response I did the head-slap D'oh!

I'll leave with this funny product ad:
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http://www.worldcycling.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FIZARIK1&Affiliate=EMAIL



A Muzi wrote:
>> J Brown wrote:
>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> Pete Biggs wrote:
>> A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels,
>> IME.
>
> A track chain works on the big one, too. It really does not matter.
>
> well, perhaps tightly if you your low gears are 19 and 21...

 

[J Brown]

Thanks to all.

As soon as I read Andrew's first response I did the head-slap D'oh!

I'll leave with this funny product ad:
Technogel! Potent rail structure!
http://www.worldcycling.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FIZARIK1&Affiliate=EMAIL



A Muzi wrote:
>> J Brown wrote:
>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> Pete Biggs wrote:
>> A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels,
>> IME.
>
> A track chain works on the big one, too. It really does not matter.
>
> well, perhaps tightly if you your low gears are 19 and 21...

 

[jim beam]

J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>


it's not a problem if you use it on the biggest cog. if you use it mid
block, it won't sit right and could cause tooth damage if it slips, but
that never happens if you use the biggest one as there's no interference.

 

[jim beam]

J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>


it's not a problem if you use it on the biggest cog. if you use it mid
block, it won't sit right and could cause tooth damage if it slips, but
that never happens if you use the biggest one as there's no interference.

 

[Lou Holtman]

J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel


Put in on the largest cog. It has no neighbors.

Lou
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