Old Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels



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Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my health
and I'm big into self-preservation.

Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them on
so I can wheel it from room to room.

Scott
 
"Scott Mann" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kk0lb.105078$k74.43480@lakeread05...
> Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
> it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
> twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my
health
> and I'm big into self-preservation.
>
> Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them on
> so I can wheel it from room to room.
>
> Scott
>

Good call. They had some pretty public failures, and the failure mode is catastrophic, unlike the
more conventional spoked wheel design. Personally, I wouldn't use them. Give them back to your
"friend"! ;-)

Cheers,

Scott..
 
"Scott Mann" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kk0lb.105078$k74.43480@lakeread05...
> Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
> it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
> twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my
health
> and I'm big into self-preservation.
>
> Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them on
> so I can wheel it from room to room.
>
> Scott
>
I've heard some of the same horror stories that you have. Having said that, I have a friend that's a
local Cat1 who's still racing on them and loves them.

I weigh enough that I don't completely trust them, so I stay away.

Mike
 
Better yet, give them to me.

They are likely fine!

I used them on the road and track; I have a pair on an old MTB;and I thought highly enough of them
to use them on my cross bike as well. I've never had a problem, and I go over 190lbs. Look them over
well, make sure there are no delaminations. Then go ride. They are fairly bombproof, and the failure
rate is VERY overstated.

"S. Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Scott Mann" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kk0lb.105078$k74.43480@lakeread05...
> > Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4
blade
> > carbon wheels. I thought it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random
> > websites I'm starting to think twice about using
them.
> > How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my
> health
> > and I'm big into self-preservation.
> >
> > Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them
> > on so I can wheel it from room to room.
> >
> > Scott
> >
>
>
> Good call. They had some pretty public failures, and the failure mode is catastrophic, unlike the
> more conventional spoked wheel design.
Personally,
> I wouldn't use them. Give them back to your "friend"! ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott..
 
> Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
> it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
> twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my
health
> and I'm big into self-preservation.

You propably already read this one: http://home.interlynx.net/~pjdu/ I wouldn't use them for a
frontwheel, when something happens to these wheels (and apparently it does) the resulting injuries
are much more serious than with defects in spoked wheels.

"Scott Mann" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kk0lb.105078$k74.43480@lakeread05...
> Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
> it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
> twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my
health
> and I'm big into self-preservation.
>
> Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them on
> so I can wheel it from room to room.
>
> Scott
 
I have a front wheel with at least 60,000 miles on it with zero problems. Besides wiping with a rag
to clean off dirt I replaced the bearings once. The only failures I've had were one rear wheel
cassette froze up after 30,000 miles and the rest were when other riders put their pedals in a
spoke. But after all the crashes with one to three spokes broke off the wheel was still ridable,
although not steady in corners. They were good enough to hobble back to the finish line.

So use them.

-Bruce

"Scott Mann" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kk0lb.105078$k74.43480@lakeread05...
> Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
> it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
> twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my
health
> and I'm big into self-preservation.
>
> Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them on
> so I can wheel it from room to room.
>
> Scott
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:53:21 -0400, "Scott Mann" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
>it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
>twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my health
>and I'm big into self-preservation.
>
>Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them on
>so I can wheel it from room to room.
>
>Scott
>

It pretty much depends on which version ... the ones with the stiffeners on the back sides of the
spoke were better than the original versions...that being said they are also old and the stories are
often true. I would be comfortable using them as baisic training wheels, but would not want to
sprint on them.

The lateral loads that would be inherent in a rolling liquor cabinet would make these wheels
inappropriate for that application.
 
ajames54 <[email protected]> wrote:

>It pretty much depends on which version ... the ones with the stiffeners on the back sides of the
>spoke were better than the original versions...that being said they are also old and the stories
>are often true. I would be comfortable using them as baisic training wheels, but would not want to
>sprint on them.

Even using them for training has its limitations. I tried riding them on rollers once and the ride
was simply too bouncy. I'm not exactly sure why but it was probably related to the flimsy aspect of
the wheels.
 
"Scott Mann" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kk0lb.105078$k74.43480@lakeread05...
> Someone recently gave me a set of old (not sure how old) Spinergy 4 blade carbon wheels. I thought
> it was a real nice gift at the time, but after reading some random websites I'm starting to think
> twice about using them. How concerned should I be about carbon spoke failure? I do value my
health
> and I'm big into self-preservation.
>
> Not knowing what to do with them, I'm thinking about building a liquor cabinet and bolting them on
> so I can wheel it from room to room.
>
> Scott
>

Why would you want to put your liquor at risk like that?

Bob C.
 
"Squidvark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ajames54 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It pretty much depends on which version ... the ones with the stiffeners on the back sides of the
> >spoke were better than the original versions...that being said they are also old and the stories
> >are often true. I would be comfortable using them as baisic training wheels, but would not want
> >to sprint on them.
>
> Even using them for training has its limitations. I tried riding them on rollers once and the ride
> was simply too bouncy. I'm not exactly sure why but it was probably related to the flimsy aspect
> of the wheels.

I've ridden my Spinergy wheels on the rollers a time or two, also. It's a strange ride ... but
awesomely fast. Those blades really cut the air and my average speed was significantly above what I
usually have with my spoked wheels. But yes ... as each spoke reaches the roller, there's a
distinct bump.

Bob C.
 
> You propably already read this one: http://home.interlynx.net/~pjdu/ I wouldn't use them for a
> frontwheel, when something happens to these wheels (and apparently it does) the resulting injuries
> are much more serious than with defects in spoked wheels.

Scary !

A relatively innocuous crash in the pro peloton involving a bike with Spinery wheels a few years
back in the Tour of Germany was responsible for almost severing the knee cap of one of the Worlds
Top Pros - Michele Bartoli. The details of the accident were apparenty hushed up (with rumors of a
damage limitation campaign by Spinery and reportedly a very large compensation payout to Bartoli).
The accident almost ended Bartoli's career - thankfully he's now back to his best form (he's this
year's Tour of Lombardi winner).

-R
 
Do you mind providing a source, or is this just innuendo, or something some "friend" heard from a
"friend" and so on?

"Rik O'Shea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > You propably already read this one: http://home.interlynx.net/~pjdu/ I wouldn't use them for a
> > frontwheel, when something happens to these
wheels
> > (and apparently it does) the resulting injuries are much more serious
than
> > with defects in spoked wheels.
>
> Scary !
>
> A relatively innocuous crash in the pro peloton involving a bike with Spinery wheels a few years
> back in the Tour of Germany was responsible for almost severing the knee cap of one of the Worlds
> Top Pros - Michele Bartoli. The details of the accident were apparenty hushed up (with rumors of a
> damage limitation campaign by Spinery and reportedly a very large compensation payout to Bartoli).
> The accident almost ended Bartoli's career - thankfully he's now back to his best form (he's this
> year's Tour of Lombardi winner).
>
> -R
 
"Doug" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Do you mind providing a source, or is this just innuendo, or something
some
> "friend" heard from a "friend" and so on?
>

Well, here is a source. http://home.interlynx.net/~pjdu/

This has been kicked around here before endlessly. Let's just say, any wheel can fail, but Spinergy
wheels have the potential to fail catastrophically and that can lead to a nasty crash. Spoked wheels
can certainly fail as well, but generally with less catastrophic results. I've seen few, if any,
spoked wheel failures that caused a crash and I've built hundreds of wheels. If you inspect you
Spinergy wheels regularly and limit your risk of failure by making sure you have the right model,
everything may be fine. IMHO, I wouldn't use them. Others may decide the risk is ok, as you believe
it is. To each his own. Neither is right or wrong, just your own personal assessment of the risk and
what you believe is acceptable.

Cheers,

Scott..
 
"Doug" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Do you mind providing a source, or is this just innuendo, or something some "friend" heard from a
> "friend" and so on?
>

...this is well known incident to anybody who follows professional cycling. Well since this is a
real horror story and Halloween is just around the corner, on this occasion I will provide you with
some more information but if you want more you can do your own followup. Here's the article...

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You may have heard of Michele Bartoli the 1998 winner of the Cycling World Cup well he had a little
accident this year which ruined not only his 1999 season read on..

Bartoli's Accident...A Real Horror Story For Halloween We've all been waiting for Michele Bartoli to
recover from his freak accident of early June and return to cycling, no one is more ready to ride
than the former World's number one of Mapei. However, the most recent word is that Bartoli will have
to tap into reserves of patience that he didn't know he possessed, after having the screws and
hardware removed from the knee on October 13th he experienced a strange clicking from the injured
joint the first time he went riding. Not much was ever said about the accident that occurred during
the Tour of Germany, a crash that is threatening his career, but Cyclegossip has heard some of the
inside story and it's enough to make one queasy.

The papers reported that Bartoli had fallen heavily at slow speeds and broken his knee cap, what in
fact happened was that in crashing, Michele's leg went into the wheel (the brand of which we must
leave up to your informed imaginations) of a team mate and it literally sliced through his knee cap
severing bone and tendons. When he went to stand up his femur, no longer properly anchored to the
knee, slid out through the wound. Bartoli at that point almost fainted. This was recounted to us by
a team mate who was at his side during the episode. It's been kept quiet by the team evidently to
appease the maker of the wheels. After the latest complications Bartoli went to the clinic of a
specialist in Como, Italy where Dr. Luigi Simonetto found that despite the excellent work of the
German surgeons there is a noticeable thickening of the tendons severed in the accident which are
preventing the joint from functioning properly. His opinion is that Bartoli will have to observe
several more weeks of rest before resuming cycling.

The Italian champion, discouraged by the set back, said in the Gazzetta dello Sport, "I'm not making
any more plans or programs, I don't want to set myself up for these disappointments, until my knee
is 100% healed I'm playing it safe. The desire to ride is enormous, it's consuming me but I'm also
getting tired of these frustrations. If I can't come back for the first part of the season like I
planned it means that I'll be competitive for the second part, for the Tour and the World's. I'm
convinced that all this will pay off in the end, I'm determined to make it back to my former level".
He's trying to be philosophical about his comeback, realizing that it makes no sense to rush things
when he has four or five good seasons left in which to regain his former position as one of the best
in the peloton.
 
"S. Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> If you inspect you Spinergy wheels regularly and limit your risk of failure by making sure you
> have the right model, everything may be fine.

Inspect them, how? Do you have X-ray vision?

> IMHO, I wouldn't use them.

I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.

Matt O.
 
"Rik O'Shea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip Bartoli knee cutting incident story>

The _real_ interesting thing is that the edge on an equivalent era, bladed spoke Mavic Cosmic was
sharper than the Rev-X edge.

In fact, the UCI began its successful wheel ban efforts by investigating this aspect of the Brand S
product - it is also interesting to note that there was no inclusion of this sharp-edge concern in
the final "safety-based" test protocol.

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