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Discussion in 'Recumbent bicycles' started by Richard Ryan, Feb 4, 2003.

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  1. Richard Ryan

    Richard Ryan Guest

    I was at Interbike the year that Trek brought out their recumbent. Lance was at the Trek booth
    signing autographs, there were hundreds of worshippers lined up all day. The recumbent was leaning
    up against a wall with no information about the bike displayed and no one at the booth seemed
    interested in talking about the bike. Some of you have read my rants in the past about the attitudes
    of people in the bike industry. I'd say nothing has changed and probably never will. The .003% of
    cyclists who race (and who all work in bike shops) still have an influence on the bike industry that
    is way out of proportion to their numbers. Dick Ryan
     
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  2. Rorschandt

    Rorschandt Guest

    "richard ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in news:gaP%[email protected]:

    >Some of you have read my rants in the past about the attitudes of people in the bike industry. I'd
    >say nothing has changed and probably never will. The .003% of cyclists who race (and who all work
    >in bike shops) still have an influence on the bike industry that is way out of proportion to their
    >numbers. Dick Ryan
    >

    Much like finance, government, hollywood, etc.
     
  3. Fact is, the industry will build what the people want and the people want DFs.

    Gene

    "richard ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:gaP%[email protected]...
    > I was at Interbike the year that Trek brought out their recumbent. Lance
    was
    > at the Trek booth signing autographs, there were hundreds of worshippers lined up all day. The
    > recumbent was leaning up against a wall with no information about the bike displayed and no one at
    > the booth seemed interested in talking about the bike. Some of you have read my rants in
    the
    > past about the attitudes of people in the bike industry. I'd say nothing
    has
    > changed and probably never will. The .003% of cyclists who race (and who
    all
    > work in bike shops) still have an influence on the bike industry that is
    way
    > out of proportion to their numbers. Dick Ryan
    >
     
  4. Paul Bruneau

    Paul Bruneau Guest

    Eugene Cottrell wrote:
    > Fact is, the industry will build what the people want and the people want DFs.

    If industry built what people wanted, there would be no need for salesmen.
     
  5. Baronn1

    Baronn1 Guest

    "Wrong!" said the (technical) sales guy.

    "Paul Bruneau" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Eugene Cottrell wrote:
    > > Fact is, the industry will build what the people want and the people
    want
    > > DFs.
    >
    > If industry built what people wanted, there would be no need for salesmen.
     
  6. If industry built what people really wanted we'd all have Stepford wives.....I will now duck in case
    BethF reads this.
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    "Paul Bruneau" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Eugene Cottrell wrote:
    > > Fact is, the industry will build what the people want and the people
    want
    > > DFs.
    >
    > If industry built what people wanted, there would be no need for salesmen.
     
  7. Jim H

    Jim H Guest

    It's a fad-driven business, and always was. One thing that drew me to recumbents in the first place
    was that "fringe" thing. I guess if I'm honest, I have to say I like it that way. When everyone is
    riding recumbents I'll be wanting to move on to something else. I have no real desire to convert
    anyone except a couple of friends I ride with, and that's been accomplished. Doesn't bother me when
    I get passed by 5 kids all dressed like Lance and riding Post Office bikes.
     
  8. John Foltz

    John Foltz Guest

    jim h wrote:
    > It's a fad-driven business, and always was. One thing that drew me to recumbents in the first
    > place was that "fringe" thing. I guess if I'm honest, I have to say I like it that way. When
    > everyone is riding recumbents I'll be wanting to move on to something else. I have no real desire
    > to convert anyone except a couple of friends I ride with, and that's been accomplished. Doesn't
    > bother me when I get passed by 5 kids all dressed like Lance and riding Post Office bikes.
    >
    Aw, why'd you let those guys pass you? Now they'll get cocky and think they're bad to the bone, and
    somebody'll have to take them down a notch. Wait, that sounds like fun! :) Thanks!

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  9. Richard Ryan

    Richard Ryan Guest

    "Eugene Cottrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:vTW%[email protected]...
    > Fact is, the industry will build what the people want and the people want DFs.
    >
    > Gene

    Fact is, most people are unaware of recumbents, and the major reason for that is the attitudes of
    the people in the industry. As demonstrated by the "Lance" article. The few shops that understand
    the product and promote them are doing well with them. The example I always give is the success of
    Wheel & Sprocket in Milwaukee. Last year they sold about 800 recumbents. I'd say that is a good
    indication that when people are aware that there is an alternative to the DF bike they will want it.

    Dick Ryan
     
  10. Tom Blum

    Tom Blum Guest

    Richand Ryan says: "Fact is, most people are unaware of recumbents"

    Isn't that the truth!!. I feel like the local distributor of happiness when I ride my Speed Machine
    Clone. At least one out of 4 cars has a big reaction. Ear to ear grins of disbelief are common.
    That's why I got bent in the first place. Speed is a bit overrated on a bent (IMHO) . Comfort is
    there, at least compared to the problems on a conventional DF bike. There are drawbacks involved in
    ease of riding (startup, visibility, slowspeed maneuverablity)

    BUT, as Andre says "Image is everything!" We gots image.

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    Tom Blum Winter Haven, Florida Homebuilts: SWB Tour Easy Clone Speed Machine Clone

    www.gate.net/~teblum
     
  11. Paul Bruneau

    Paul Bruneau Guest

    Wrong how? My point is not to bash salespeople. My point is that without salespeople, people will be
    unaware of what is out there.

    The allegation was made that the industry builds what people want. My point is that there are things
    out there that the people are ignorant of. One purpose of sales people is to inform the public about
    things that are out there that will be beneficial that they might not yet be aware of. No?

    baronn1 wrote:
    > "Wrong!" said the (technical) sales guy.
    >
    > "Paul Bruneau" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>Eugene Cottrell wrote:
    >>
    >>>Fact is, the industry will build what the people want and the people
    >>
    > want
    >
    >>>DFs.
    >>
    >>If industry built what people wanted, there would be no need for salesmen.
    >>
    >
     
  12. Mike S

    Mike S Guest

    "jim h" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > It's a fad-driven business, and always was. One thing that drew me to recumbents in the first
    > place was that "fringe" thing. I guess if I'm honest, I have to say I like it that way. When
    > everyone is riding recumbents I'll be wanting to move on to something else. I have no real desire
    > to convert anyone except a couple of friends I ride with, and that's been accomplished. Doesn't
    > bother me when I get passed by 5 kids all dressed like Lance and riding Post Office bikes.

    Because of back problems recumbents were my only option if I wanted to continue riding. But I also
    agree with Jim that there is a certain element to being part of a select or different group. But,
    with all due respect to the commentors like Dick Ryan, pushing recumbents sometimes reminds me of
    trying to feed steak to a suckling infant. I can tout the bikes all I want but the people who have
    expressed real interest in what I ride are drawn not so much from what I say but their observations
    of my riding experience. When I am faced with the glazed over, non-comprehending and "follow the
    leader" type upright rider groups who haven't a clue about what I ride nor have they an interest I
    always think of Mark Twain's quote (I paraphrase): "If you can get the fools on your side you will
    have a majority with you whereever you go." So, until the epiphany of the DF crowd I will enjoy what
    I ride and remain part of a small, but noticeable, and every growing pain-free sub-culture.
     
  13. Bethf

    Bethf Guest

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:X_Z%[email protected]...
    > If industry built what people really wanted we'd all have Stepford wives.....I will now duck in
    > case BethF reads this.

    Joshua, you are lucky I dont' know what a Stepford wife is.
     
  14. BIG mistake, Beth. You soon will be told. And THEN you will be pissed.

    --
    Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush

    > Joshua, you are lucky I dont' know what a Stepford wife is.
     
  15. Robert, assuming I am spelling "Stepford" correctly, anyone can use a search engine and look it up.
    As for BethF...am not that worried her being in Alaska and my being NOT in Alaska. I remember
    getting the Stepford Wives on Video a few years ago and making the comment to my wife that...gee
    Hon, wouldn't it be great if technology really was that advanced that every man could have the
    perfect made to order wife. Funny thing about my wife is that she doesn't get it at the time, she
    smiles and nothing bothers her...then several hours or days later (she gets
    it) and then I get it. It is like a light bulb goes on, followed by the line...Now I get it...you
    bastard. I've been married 35 years and found the secret to keeping a marriage working is to
    Agree with (everything) my wife says...even when I have no idea what she is talking about.
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    "Robert Siegel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > BIG mistake, Beth. You soon will be told. And THEN you will be pissed.
    >
    > --
    > Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush
    >
    > > Joshua, you are lucky I dont' know what a Stepford wife is.
    > >
    >
     
  16. >> "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote

    >> I've been married 35 years and found the secret to keeping a marriage
    working is to Agree with (everything) my wife says...even when I have no idea what she is
    talking about.

    You sometimes know what she's talking about. I am impressed.

    Out of apparently nowhere, mine would get thoroughly pissed, clench her teeth and say nothing. When
    I asked her what she was angry about she'd glare at me, then snap back: "If you don't know you're
    even worse than I thought."

    > > Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush
     
  17. Geob

    Geob Guest

    Joshua...

    > If industry built what people really wanted we'd all have Stepford wives

    I know that you were joking (I think) so I don't know why that statement bugs me. I guess it is that
    I feel I am being classed with the slobs on the corner that have the big leer and 'elevator eyes'
    yelling, "Yousuh! Yousuh! Look at them jugs!" every time a mature female walks by. I feel like they
    think all men are in the same club and they were elected president.

    I think the Stepford men hadn't the courage to be *men*. They were frightened to death of each
    other, of peer pressure and of confident capable women. I really don't see myself in that role.

    In my years of observing women, the human race and myself I have come to some rather cynical
    conclusions about all of them. But I find that while I cannot remake myself I can aspire to
    goals/behaviour I respect. Yeah, I have to pick myself up and aspire some more lots of times but I,
    and many many more guys are dedicated to getting it right as often as possible.

    I know you know that.. I think it's the strong Chamomile tea I am finishing. Look quick, because you
    will seldom see me in a serious mood.

    This may or may not have any connection at all with the topic of discussion.
    :)
     
  18. Tis Strange the effect I'm having on people lately. As for my own years of observing women, the
    human race and myself...I came to the conclusion long ago that everyone is F..king Nuts and I'm the
    only sane one in the lot...no wait, I may have got that backwards. As for your aspirations to
    achieve a state of being someone who is closer to the ideals you respect. It all sounds too
    complicated for me to try. My few remaining aspirations include finding the "perfect" mountain with
    a brothel on top and a nicely paved road that goes for miles and miles and I don't have a Greyhound
    Bus on my tail. To be strapped into a 1978 MASA Slingshot (which is of course the perfect tadpole)
    or I find Tom Sherman's Dragonflyer re-orphaned, lost and abandoned...now where did I leave those
    bolt cutters. After this ride I will retire to the Pacific side of Costa Rica and live next to a
    brothel and a Brew Pub. Oh yeah and of course I still intend to cross Saskatchewan strapped into a
    Twin Jet Low Racer...just have to locate the perfect 200 mile stretch of flat highway with a
    brothel at starting point. Come to think of it...the person I aspired to be most like years ago was
    "Betti Page", just could not keep my seams straight and those friggin garter belts kept riding up.
    Then I moved to British Columbia Canada to become a Lumberjack...(space left open
    here................for Mikael to do the chorus). Seriously though, after a particularly bad
    incident in another country when I was 19. I adopted a non-violent Buddhist lifestyle for quite a
    while and did the whole...aspire to be a better human being routine and much of who and what I am
    today is a result of my flirtation with Buddhism...so be warned people, you flirt with Buddhism and
    you too can end up just like
    me...be afraid, be very afraid.
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    "GeoB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Joshua...
    >
    > > If industry built what people really wanted we'd all have Stepford wives
    >
    > I know that you were joking (I think) so I don't know why that statement bugs me. I guess it is
    > that I feel I am being classed with the slobs on the corner that have the big leer and 'elevator
    > eyes' yelling, "Yousuh! Yousuh! Look at them jugs!" every time a mature female walks by. I feel
    > like they think all men are in the same club and they were elected president.
    >
    > I think the Stepford men hadn't the courage to be *men*. They were frightened to death of each
    > other, of peer pressure and of confident capable women. I really don't see myself in that role.
    >
    > In my years of observing women, the human race and myself I have come to some rather cynical
    > conclusions about all of them. But I find that while I cannot remake myself I can aspire to
    > goals/behaviour I respect. Yeah, I have to pick myself up and aspire some more lots of times but
    > I, and many many more guys are dedicated to getting it right as often as possible.
    >
    > I know you know that.. I think it's the strong Chamomile tea I am finishing. Look quick, because
    > you will seldom see me in a serious mood.
    >
    > This may or may not have any connection at all with the topic of discussion.
    > :)
     
  19. Geob

    Geob Guest

    > I came to the conclusion long ago that everyone is F..king Nuts and I'm the only sane one
    > in the lot

    Wow! You wrote a lot! And all about brothels too..

    You realize, as do alla the guys on here, that I wuz just trying to score some points with Beth.
    How'd I do, Beth? Guess I didn't do so good. Either she didn't bother to read it or it was so dang
    obvious she just ignored it. Or maybe its cuz she's a lady and we haven't been introduced...
     
  20. Freewheeling

    Freewheeling Guest

    Dick:

    Design an event that's a good spectator sport, lends itself to endorsements and advertising, appeals
    to youth, and uses recumbents. Preferably not *too* bloody, but bloody fast. That should do it.

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    --Scott [email protected] Cut the "tail" to send email.

    "richard ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:gaP%[email protected]...
    > I was at Interbike the year that Trek brought out their recumbent. Lance
    was
    > at the Trek booth signing autographs, there were hundreds of worshippers lined up all day. The
    > recumbent was leaning up against a wall with no information about the bike displayed and no one at
    > the booth seemed interested in talking about the bike. Some of you have read my rants in
    the
    > past about the attitudes of people in the bike industry. I'd say nothing
    has
    > changed and probably never will. The .003% of cyclists who race (and who
    all
    > work in bike shops) still have an influence on the bike industry that is
    way
    > out of proportion to their numbers. Dick Ryan
    >
     
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