On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05)

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD, Nov 24, 2005.

  1. TC wrote:
    >
    > Bob (this one) wrote:
    > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > > Jeff wrote:
    > > >
    > > >>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > >>news:[email protected]
    > > >>
    > > >>>Jeff wrote:
    > > >>>
    > > >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > >>>>news:[email protected]
    > > >>>>
    > > >>>>>pverburgh wrote:
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>>Only problem is that none of us likes skim milk.
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>Such are the problems with diets which by definition change **what**
    > > >>>>>people are eating (ie from 2% milk to skim milk for a low fat diet).
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach does not change **what** folks are
    > > >>>>>eating but does help people reduce **how much** they are eating and is
    > > >>>>>therefore **not** a diet:
    > > >>>>
    > > >>>>http://www2.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/mwmednlm?book=Medical&va=diet
    > > >>>>
    > > >>>>says: " a regimen of eating and drinking sparingly so as to reduce one's
    > > >>>>weight."
    > > >>>
    > > >>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a regimen of eating and drinking sparingly
    > > >>>but one of eating and drinking an optimal amount to reach and maintain
    > > >>>an optimal weight.
    > > >>
    > > >>Wrong.
    > > >
    > > > It seems you are trying to tell the author of the 2PD-OMER Approach that
    > > > he does not know what he has authored.

    > >
    > > Exactly. And that he has the grasp on language of a semi-literate fool.
    > >
    > > >>The 2PD-OMER Approach is pseduoreligious diet based on a
    > > >>misintepretation of the Bible.
    > > >
    > > > Actually, the 2PD-OMER Approach is as described here:
    > > > http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    > >
    > > Yes, it is. And it's still a pseudoreligious diet based on a
    > > misinterpretation of the bible. And a prior misinterpretations of what
    > > Mt. Everest climbers eat. The whole diet is based on a rather stupid
    > > lack of consideration of and investigation of his impressions of an IMAX
    > > movie.
    > >
    > > >>It has virtually no scientific evidence to
    > > >>show that it is in any way "optimal."
    > > >
    > > > Actually, more than 625,550 people have had more than 5 years experience
    > > > of using the 2PD-OMER Approach. There has been weight loss without
    > > > regain in every instance.

    > >
    > > Actually, that's anecdotal and not even accurate. Extrapolations based
    > > only on his fevered wishful thinking.
    > >
    > > <LOL> This is a group of folks the bible; not any sort of controlled
    > > study. Chung has contorted and distorted the bible to suit his wacko
    > > interpretations. He says that an omer is a unit of weight when every
    > > reliable authority says it's a unit of volume. Not just any unit of
    > > weight, though. It's two pounds. Imagine the coincidence with his diet.
    > > <LOL> This is very funny.
    > >
    > > And somehow Chung knows that grown men and women and freshly born
    > > children and aged slight people and young robust laborers all ate 2
    > > pounds of food a day, despite his being shown that they were given an
    > > omer of manna (which they may or may not have eaten) *and* other foods
    > > as well, each eating according to his desires.
    > >
    > > >>Nor is there any scientific evidence
    > > >>to show that two pounds of food is the "optimal" amount for everyone.
    > > >
    > > > Actually there is.

    > >
    > > Sure there is - not. And maybe some proof that isn't some fundamentalist
    > > wacko revision of the bible would be good. But Chung *never* backs up
    > > his assertions. He won't this time, either...
    > >
    > > Sick, sick man Chung...
    > >
    > > Pastorio

    >
    > An omer is 2.114344 liters.


    Actually, omer is a Hebrew word that means "a certain weight."

    > I wonder how that translates to 2 lbs of
    > food.


    It translates to one amount of food for everyone.

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  2. Don Kirkman wrote:
    >
    > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
    > article <[email protected]>:
    >
    > >TC wrote:

    >
    > >> An omer is 2.114344 liters.

    >
    > >Actually, omer is a Hebrew word that means "a certain weight."

    >
    > Actually that has been refuted many times in this and other newsgroups,
    > sometimes by Jewish writers including a rabbi, and other times by other
    > knowledgeable people. You can't bend reality to fit your preconceived
    > (or should that be "illconceived"?) theories.


    [Literally, "Omer" is a certain weight measure; the required
    amount of barley for this sacrifice.]

    Source:

    http://tinyurl.com/cks36

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
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    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

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  3. "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > Don Kirkman wrote:
    > >
    > >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    > >>
    > >>>TC wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>>An omer is 2.114344 liters.
    > >>
    > >>>Actually, omer is a Hebrew word that means "a certain weight."

    >
    > Actually, that's simply not true.


    Guess again.

    [In Hebrew, the word Omer literally means a certain weight measure; the
    required amount of barley for this sacrifice.]

    Source:

    http://tinyurl.com/asuu3

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
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    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

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  4. "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    > >
    > >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>Don Kirkman wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>TC wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>>An omer is 2.114344 liters.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Actually, omer is a Hebrew word that means "a certain weight."
    > >>
    > >>Actually, that's simply not true.

    > >
    > > Guess again.

    >
    > Oh, I'm not guessing. As the citations you deleted demonstrate.
    >
    > "In Ex16-16a Rashi simply explains that the Hebrew word
    > OMER is the name of a dry measure. The word OMER in
    > Hebrew means a BUNDLE (as in Ruth2-7) or the activity
    > of SHOVING SOMETHNG [sic] AROUND LIKE A BUNDLE (Dt24-07)"
    >
    > "Thus BUNDLE is a fitting word for a dry measure.
    > Here are the volumes of Hebrew words denoting measure
    > -------------------------------------------------------------
    > * One egg = The volume of one egg = smallest unit of measure
    > * REVIITH = Volume of 1.5 eggs = Like American CUP
    > * LOG = Volume of 6 eggs = Like American QUART
    > * KAV = Volume of 24 eggs = Like American GALLON
    > * OMER = Volume of 43.2 eggs = Food needed for 1 DAY
    > * HIN = Volume of 72 eggs = Like a POT (3 gallon)
    > * SEAH = Volume of 144 eggs = Like a FLOUR BAG(6 gal)
    > * AYFAH = Volume of 432 Eggs
    > * COR = Volume of 4320 Eggs"
    > <http://www.rashiyomi.com/means-17.htm>
    >
    > > [In Hebrew, the word Omer literally means a certain weight measure; the
    > > required amount of barley for this sacrifice.]
    > > Source:
    > > http://tinyurl.com/asuu3

    >
    > <LOL> This is nothing short of bizarre in a blackly humorous way. The
    > Rabbi who wrote the material on the cited page does say "In Hebrew, the
    > word Omer literally means a certain weight measure; the required amount
    > of barley for this sacrifice." This is the only source that so defines
    > it, and the definition is too vague for use. It isn't supported by the
    > bible (Exodus 16:16-36) where verse 36 says, "Now an omer is the tenth
    > part of an ephah." An ephah is unarguably a measure of volume.
    >
    > The other fact is that the word "omer" means heap or sheaf or pile in
    > Hebrew; not anything about weight measure. The rabbi is simply
    > incorrect. In any event, the Rabbi doesn't define the weight measure, so
    > Chung's 2-pound insistence is out the window with no support. I asked a
    > question on the site for the Rabbi to please clarify that assertion.
    > We'll see if he does. But he's obviously not an expert in weights and
    > measures, and in any event, he's talking about the religious ritual
    > itself, not quantities.
    >
    > Here are some authoritative sources to augment the ones already offered.
    >
    > <http://www.mustardseed.net/html/tweightmeasure.html>
    > "Bath is the Hebrew word for daughter and suggests that it was the
    > amount of water carried in a jar from the well by the daughters of the
    > household (cf. Genesis 24:15). A hin was one sixth of a bath. A log was
    > the smallest of the liquid measures, equal to one-twelfth of a hin. The
    > homer was the standard unit of dry measurement. It was equal to
    > approximately ten baths, or anywhere between 3.8 and 6.524 bushels. An
    > ephah is one-tenth of a homer, or about 3/8 to 2/3 of a bushel. An omer
    > is one-tenth of an ephah."
    >
    > "Weight
    > "...these are, in approximate order of descending size: talent, mina,
    > shekel, pim, beka, and gerah. A talent was about 3000 shekels or about
    > 75.6 pounds. A mina was either 50 or 60 shekels, depending upon whether
    > the system was Israelite or Babylonian. This was about 1.26 pounds. A
    > shekel was .403 ounces. Shekel is from the word, 'to weigh' and was the
    > basic weight used in the Ancient Near East. The pim, beka, and gerah
    > were all smaller fractions of the shekel. In order for these weights to
    > be effective, balances were utilized."
    > *Note that omer isn't listed as a unit of weight.*
    >
    > <http://tinyurl.com/d6fv4>
    > A site with all the biblical measures, weight, length, dry, liquid and
    > "The dry measure contained the following denominations:
    > (a) The cab, mentioned only in (2 Kings 6:25) the name meaning
    > literally hollow or concave .
    > (b) The omer, mentioned only in (Exodus 16:16-36) The word
    > implies a heap, and secondarily a sheaf.
    > (c) The seah, or "measure," this being the etymological meaning
    > of the term and appropriately applied to it, inasmuch as it was the
    > ordinary measure for household purposes. (Genesis 18:6; 1 Samuel 25:18;
    > 2 Kings 7:1,16) The Greek equivalent occurs in (Matthew 13:33; Luke 13:21)
    > (d) The ephah, a word of Egyptian origin and frequent recurrence
    > in the Bible. (Exodus 16:36; Leviticus 5:11; 6:20; Numbers 5:15; 28:5;
    > Judges 6:19; Ruth 2:17; 1 Samuel 1:24; 17:17; Ezekiel 45:11,13;
    > 46:5,7,11,14)
    > (e) The lethec, or "half homer" literally meaning what is poured
    > out; it occurs only in (Hosea 3:2)
    > (f) The homer , meaning heap. (Leviticus 27:16; Numbers 11:32;
    > Isaiah 5:10; Ezekiel 45:13) It is elsewhere termed cor, from the
    > circular vessel in which it was measured. (1 Kings 4:22; 5:11; 2
    > Chronicles 2:10; 27:5; Ezra 7:22; Ezekiel 45:14) The Greek equivalent
    > occurs in (Luke 16:7) The absolute values of the liquid and the dry
    > measures are stated differently by Josephus and the rabbinists, and as
    > we are unable to decide between them, we give a double estimate to the
    > various denominations.
    >
    > <http://www.biblestudy.org/beginner/weights.html>
    > Charts with relative measures.
    > "omer - Used as a dry measure."
    >
    > <http://www.abu.nb.ca/ecm/topics/custom5.htm>
    > "The Omer is used as the name of a measure, only in Exodus 16:16. It was
    > mentioned in conjunction with the gathering of manna. It was each mans
    > portion for one day. A double portion was to be gathered for the
    > Sabbath. It is identified in Exodus 16:36 as containing the tenth part
    > of an ephah. It would be equivalent to about two quarts."
    >
    > <http://tinyurl.com/dyj6u>
    > "omer (= 1/10 ephah; also called issaron) - 2.2 liters - 2.3 quarts
    > Exod 29.40,41; Num 15.4-9; 28.5-29"
    >
    > <http://www.uhcg.org/Festivals/Wave-Sheaf.html>
    > "First note that the English word "sheaf" comes from the Hebrew word
    > "omer" (Strong's #6016) and is simply "a dry measure equal to about five
    > pints" or just a little more than one-half a gallon."
    > [...]
    > "Omer (Heb. a heap [pile], Exod. 16:16-36; "sheaf," Lev. 23:10), an
    > ancient Hebrew measure. Its relative value was the one-tenth ephah
    > (Exod. 16:36), and it held about 5.1 pints. It contained the portion of
    > manna assigned each individual for his daily food (Exod. 16:16-20)."
    > Lengthy explanations of the ceremonies using the sheaves and omers.
    >
    > <http://tinyurl.com/7sh42>
    > This one is broad, deeply researched and considered and very
    > exhaustively detailed. Scholarly and interestingly readable.
    > "Omer 4 dry pints 1/100 homer; 1/10 ephah; 1/4 peck;
    > 2 dry quarts; 2.2 liters"
    >
    > Chung has one rabbi who obviously doesn't know Hebrew very well as his
    > source. One source. Against all these scholars who clearly know more
    > than that rabbi.
    >
    > Anybody wanna bet he still insists he's right? With nothing substantial
    > to support his position? Anybody...?


    "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on
    folly."

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
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    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
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  5. "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > "Bob (this one)" wrote:


    <snip>

    > >>Anybody wanna bet he still insists he's right? With nothing substantial
    > >>to support his position? Anybody...?

    >
    > > "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on
    > > folly."

    >
    > Predictable Chung. A Bronx cheer to show the proper respect appropriate
    > to this non sequitur. Chung is a former scientist. Sadly, the world has
    > lost one in his dementia. His cowardly evasions show who he is.


    "Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beating for the backs of
    fools."

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

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    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  6. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >>
    >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >> >>Anybody wanna bet he still insists he's right? With nothing substantial
    >> >>to support his position? Anybody...?

    >>
    >> > "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on
    >> > folly."

    >>
    >> Predictable Chung. A Bronx cheer to show the proper respect appropriate
    >> to this non sequitur. Chung is a former scientist. Sadly, the world has
    >> lost one in his dementia. His cowardly evasions show who he is.

    >
    > "Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beating for the backs of
    > fools."


    Good thing the law prevents you from acting on your sadism.

    --

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  7. Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    > > The LORD Almighty continues to guide me in all that I say, do, and write.

    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    > >> >http://tinyurl.com/cks36
    > >>
    > >> Sorry, that page is about "kosher," which is not the same as "omer;"

    > >
    > > Oops. Sorry, my error... please forgive my iniquities.

    >


    We fall short of the LORD's glory even when He guides us.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
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    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  8. Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    > > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > >> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:

    > >
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > >> >>Anybody wanna bet he still insists he's right? With nothing substantial
    > >> >>to support his position? Anybody...?
    > >>
    > >> > "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on
    > >> > folly."
    > >>
    > >> Predictable Chung. A Bronx cheer to show the proper respect appropriate
    > >> to this non sequitur. Chung is a former scientist. Sadly, the world has
    > >> lost one in his dementia. His cowardly evasions show who he is.

    > >
    > > "Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of
    > > fools."

    >
    > Good thing the law prevents you from acting on your sadism.


    The words in quotes are from the LORD as written in Proverbs 19:29.
    These are His laws. We are living under His rules for He remains
    sovereign.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
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    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  9. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    > Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
    >>
    >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >>
    >> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >> >> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >> >
    >> > <snip>
    >> >
    >> >> >>Anybody wanna bet he still insists he's right? With nothing
    >> >> >>substantial to support his position? Anybody...?
    >> >>
    >> >> > "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds
    >> >> > on folly."
    >> >>
    >> >> Predictable Chung. A Bronx cheer to show the proper respect
    >> >> appropriate to this non sequitur. Chung is a former scientist. Sadly,
    >> >> the world has lost one in his dementia. His cowardly evasions show who
    >> >> he is.
    >> >
    >> > "Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of
    >> > fools."

    >>
    >> Good thing the law prevents you from acting on your sadism.

    >
    > We are living under His rules for He remains
    > sovereign.


    He's a failure. Jonah 3: 10 - God needs to repent more often.

    --

    Pramesh Rutajit - [email protected] - remove tongue to reply.
     
  10. Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    > > Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > >> >> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> > <snip>
    > >> >
    > >> >> >>Anybody wanna bet he still insists he's right? With nothing
    > >> >> >>substantial to support his position? Anybody...?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds
    > >> >> > on folly."
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Predictable Chung. A Bronx cheer to show the proper respect
    > >> >> appropriate to this non sequitur. Chung is a former scientist. Sadly,
    > >> >> the world has lost one in his dementia. His cowardly evasions show who
    > >> >> he is.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of
    > >> > fools."
    > >>
    > >> Good thing the law prevents you from acting on your sadism.

    > >
    > > We are living under His rules for He remains
    > > sovereign.

    >
    > He's a failure. Jonah 3: 10


    Compassion is not failure.

    > - God needs to repent more often.


    You remind me of the clay in a potter's hand telling the potter what he
    should do.

    Here is what the LORD would say about whom you represent:

    "If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted,
    torn down and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its
    evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had
    planned." (Jeremiah 18:7-8)

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  11. Andrew B. Chung wrote:

    <snip>

    Followup made to the appropriate newsgroup(s).

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