One Cyclist Killed; Another Seriously Injured

[Rick Onanian]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:40 +0000, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>skull injuries. What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?

I don't think it was before noon, but probably the same kind of
lawyer that does this:
http://www.madd.org/victims/0,1056,5073,00.html

After the hit-and-run, the dying kid dragged his mutilated body off
the road to avoid being run over by anybody else. 11 hours later,
the lawyer went back to see what he'd done. He proceeded to claim
that he thought he had hit a deer.
--
Rick Onanian

 

[Zippy the Pinhead]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:32:35 GMT, "xkred27" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>(Note quote: "He had not realized that he struck the
>bicyclists")

I'll bet this guy is a repeat DUI, or 502 in California.

I have lost friends to drunk drivers, and I say this with all
sincerity.

One offense, and you become a lifelong pedestrian.

Do it again -- even ONCE again, and your eyes get put out. Poked
right out of your head.

That is the ONLY deterrent for these morons.

 

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:40 +0000 in rec.bicycles.misc, Ken
<[email protected]> wrote:

> This is a real sad story. The victim was a young MIT graduate who raced in
> triathalons and volunteered as a swimming and water polo coach. His
> girlfriend (and fellow triathlete) remains critically injured with spine and
> skull injuries. What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?

probably the kind with previous DWIs. someone should do an
online search of his records to find out. if he has multiple
convictions, the bike coalition, the parents of the kids he
coached, and his friends should be calling the DAs office every
20 minutes to find out when they are going to press manslaughter
or 2nd degree murder charges.

the penalties for dwi resulting in death should be at least 10
years. the penalty for the second dwi or driving without a
license due to dwi should be 5 years and a lifetime license
revocation. there wouldn't be very many 2nd offenses.

 

[Mike Schwab]

Hey, I saw that on Quincy, ME a couple of decades ago (My mom and two
sisters are RNs). The driver hit his accountant, about to blow a scam,
then blamed him for stealing the money. But he hit his knee on the
dashboard, and blood filled the hematoma, which they drained and kept
the blook, which Quincy tested and found he was not drunk when he had
the accident.

"Michael J. Klein" wrote:
<snip>
> If you wanna kill someone - just spill vodka all over your shirt,
> drink some and then park your car at an intersection you know this
> person will eventually cross. Then just run them over (while leaving
> the bottle on the front seat) - presto! OTOH, shoot a rapist while
> attacking your wife in your own home (well, in Amerika anyway) and see
> what happens to you!
<snip>

 

[Mike Schwab]

New Orleans about 6 years ago.
<snip>
> I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man knocked on the door of a
> house to get directions to a Halloween party and was summarily executed by
> the homeowner. He escaped punishment entirely.

 

[Allister]

Just Zis Guy wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:40 +0000, Ken <[email protected]> wrote in
> message <[email protected]>:
> >What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?
> One with a guilty conscience?



A lawyer with a conscience? There's a turn-up.



--

 

[Bruce Frech]

Another data point:

A father of a friend of mine was in a canoe with two others in the middle of
a lake in Maine. A 13 year old claimed he was aiming at a deer and with one
shot from a rifle killed my friend's father. He got off free, and both he
and his father didn't even lose the right to own guns. How many deer ride
in canoes?

Bruce

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:26:29 -0800, [email protected]
(Dennis P. Harris) wrote:

>the penalty for the second dwi or driving without a
>license due to dwi should be 5 years and a lifetime license
>revocation. there wouldn't be very many 2nd offenses.

One would wish. But the record shows that people that drive
irresponsibly tend to drive whether their license is revoked or not.

They won't drive when they are in prison, but they'll be driving,
license or no, when they get out. Unless you start using some sort of
lock-out key on cars that works off of valid licenses (not altogether
impossible down the road, so to speak), they will be driving.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[W K]

"Mike Schwab" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> New Orleans about 6 years ago.
> <snip>
> > I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man knocked on the door
of a
> > house to get directions to a Halloween party and was summarily executed
by
> > the homeowner. He escaped punishment entirely.

There was a similar case with a scottish man, trying asking directions.

 

[Rick Onanian]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:42:07 +0000 (UTC), "W K"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mike Schwab" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> New Orleans about 6 years ago.
>> <snip>
>> > I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man knocked on the door
>
>There was a similar case with a scottish man, trying asking directions.

Considering the abundance of different versions and locations, I'd
say this is either very common, or an urban legend...
--
Rick Onanian

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:08:09 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Considering the abundance of different versions and locations, I'd
>say this is either very common, or an urban legend...
>--
>Rick Onanian

The Louisiana case is most defintiely NOT an urban legend. It happened
on Halloween night in Baton Rouge, LA in 1992. His name was Yoshihiro
Hattori and he was a 16 year-old exchange student from Japan. He was
on his way to a Halloween party and stopped to ask directions. The
homeowner was acquitted on the grounds that he was legally protecting
his home. Evidently no one explained Halloween to him.

I've had probably a hundred or so 16-18 year-olds trick or treat at my
place over the last decade and haven't had to shoot one of them yet...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[[email protected]]

Today in the paper it came out that he tested .3 blood alcohol level.

My SO & I & kids were heading to brunch on that road on Sunday and got
caught up in the traffic. He is an avid cyclist and as we passed the
scene notice the horribly mangled remains of one of the bikes by the
side of the road and the tarp covered body on the other. A little ways
down the road we saw the cops with the guy who did it and let me tell
you he looked completely wrecked, and out of it. And I don't think it
was from shock. We were both extremely shook up after seeing this and
I'm sure it will stay in my mind for quite awhile when my guy's out on
rides.

After learning that the driver was an attorney, I figure he must have
pulled some strings to be able to post bail on Easter Sunday, but who
knows.

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On 14 Apr 2004 09:33:06 -0700, [email protected]
([email protected]) wrote:

>
>After learning that the driver was an attorney, I figure he must have
>pulled some strings to be able to post bail on Easter Sunday, but who
>knows.

I'm guessing that an attorney that drives a nine year old car doesn't
have all that many strings to pull. Just possible he is a dedicated
ecologist that chooses a nine-year-old Toyota(? - can't remember for
sure) over a brand new Lexus, but I'm guessing maybe he really has had
a problem (PURE SPECULATION, SO DON"T POST AN EMAIL NOTING THE
OBVIOUS).

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[DiabloScott]

Lorielin@Pacbel wrote:
> Today in the paper it came out that he tested .3 blood alcohol level.
> My SO & I & kids were heading to brunch on that road on Sunday and
> got caught up in the traffic. He is an avid cyclist and as we passed
> the scene notice the horribly mangled remains of one of the bikes by
> the side of the road and the tarp covered body on the other. A little
> ways down the road we saw the cops with the guy who did it and let me
> tell you he looked completely wrecked, and out of it. And I don't
> think it was from shock. We were both extremely shook up after seeing
> this and I'm sure it will stay in my mind for quite awhile when my
> guy's out on rides.
> After learning that the driver was an attorney, I figure he must
> have pulled some strings to be able to post bail on Easter Sunday,
> but who knows.



I was at Howarth Park on Easter at about that time. I came from the West
but my in-laws came from the East and told me of the accident. I
remember riding that road all the time from Santa Rosa to Glen Ellen
when I lived up there. It was always dicey going through the "Croakmont"
area and that was when the population was about 1/3 less than it is now.

Aren't lawyers automatically disbarred for a felony conviction? Not that
that would be sufficient punishment, I'm all for the stockade for this
kind of offense. Torture is too good for him.



--

 

[David Reuteler]

Curtis L. Russell <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm guessing that an attorney that drives a nine year old car doesn't
> have all that many strings to pull. Just possible he is a dedicated
> ecologist that chooses a nine-year-old Toyota(? - can't remember for
> sure) over a brand new Lexus, but I'm guessing maybe he really has had
> a problem (PURE SPECULATION, SO DON"T POST AN EMAIL NOTING THE
> OBVIOUS).

it was a 1995 nissan sentra. coincidentally the exact same year and model
as my car. please don't insult my car. it takes such things personally.
it's very temperamental. it still starts and even runs consistently. hell,
it runs pretty well. nice car. nice car.
--
david reuteler
[email protected]

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On 14 Apr 2004 17:54:15 GMT, David Reuteler <[email protected]> wrote:

>it was a 1995 nissan sentra. coincidentally the exact same year and model
>as my car. please don't insult my car. it takes such things personally.
>it's very temperamental. it still starts and even runs consistently. hell,
>it runs pretty well. nice car. nice car.

I think I recently mentioned that my preference is for Saabs over
150,000 miles. Unfortunately three self-destructed in the same week
(pinion gear on one and two turbo casings cracked by cold rain water).
The last two left my wife stranded, one after the other. And then she
borrowed her father's Lincoln and it proceeded to break down for the
first time in a decade.

So now I drive a 2003 Saab 9-5 and she drives a Pontiac Vibe, both
with extended warranties, and I'm waiting for her to get over that one
week to get back to Saabs that are decently broken in. Like one of the
last of the 9000s. Or even that 96 from the 50s...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[Rick Warner]

Zippy the Pinhead <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:32:35 GMT, "xkred27" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >(Note quote: "He had not realized that he struck the
> >bicyclists")
>
> I'll bet this guy is a repeat DUI, or 502 in California.

Not sure if he is a repeat, but he was pretty sauced: initial BAC test
came in at 0.3%. Before 11:30 AM. See
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/14bike_b3.html . That is some
serious pre-noon drinking.

- rick

 

[Thomas Reynolds]

Ken <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in newslWec.39039$M3.27062
> @twister.nyroc.rr.com:
> > Here's an update on this sad story:
> > http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/13crashfolo_b1.html
> > Turns out the driver is a lawyer.
>
> This is a real sad story. The victim was a young MIT graduate who raced in
> triathalons and volunteered as a swimming and water polo coach.

Its sad when any young life is lost. More so for someone who is a
real asset to society, an engineering graduate of MIT who volunteered
his spare time.

Tom

 

[David Kerber]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:32:35 GMT, "xkred27" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >(Note quote: "He had not realized that he struck the
> >bicyclists")
>
> I'll bet this guy is a repeat DUI, or 502 in California.
>
> I have lost friends to drunk drivers, and I say this with all
> sincerity.
>
> One offense, and you become a lifelong pedestrian.
>
> Do it again -- even ONCE again, and your eyes get put out. Poked
> right out of your head.
>
> That is the ONLY deterrent for these morons.

WRT drunk driving sentences, there was a story on our local news tonight
about one of these cases. The guy had been drinking and also did a line
of coke, then got in the car with two of his friends and went out and
raced another guy down the road. He crashed and killed both of his
passengers.

Today he was sentenced to 12 years in jail.

--
Dave Kerber
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[Zippy the Pinhead]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:08:09 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>> > I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man knocked on the door
>>
>>There was a similar case with a scottish man, trying asking directions.
>
>Considering the abundance of different versions and locations, I'd
>say this is either very common, or an urban legend...

Nope. The shooter was named Peairs. Shootee was Yoshi Hatori, a
Japanese exchange student. It happened in Louisiana not Texas.
That's enough to google it.