One Cyclist Killed; Another Seriously Injured



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Xkred27

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A beautiful Easter morning in the Sonoma Valley turns into
this. I live just a couple of miles from the scene of the
crime, and avoid that stretch of road like the plague--not
that even a 20-foot shoulder would have saved these two from
this guy (Note quote: "He had not realized that he struck
the bicyclists")

Take care out there.

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"xkred27" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/12cyclist_b1.html
>
> A beautiful Easter morning in the Sonoma Valley turns
> into this. I live just a couple of miles from the scene
> of the crime, and avoid that stretch of road like the plague--
> not that even a 20-foot shoulder would have saved these
> two from this guy (Note quote: "He had not realized that
> he struck
the
> bicyclists")
>
> Take care out there.
>
> --
> Peter
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They released this murderer on $30,000 bond!!!!!
Unbelieveable. Very sad on so many fronts.

Bob C.
 
In a just world, the driver would surrender all his assets
to the families of the victems and would then be executed.

> > A beautiful Easter morning in the Sonoma Valley turns
> > into this. I live just a couple of miles from the scene
> > of the crime, and avoid that
stretch
> > of road like the plague--not that even a 20-foot
> > shoulder would have
saved
> > these two from this guy (Note quote: "He had not
> > realized that he struck
> the
> > bicyclists")
 
In article <[email protected]>,
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>
> "xkred27" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:D[email protected]...
> > http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/12cyclist_b-
> > 1.html
> >
> > A beautiful Easter morning in the Sonoma Valley turns
> > into this. I live just a couple of miles from the scene
> > of the crime, and avoid that stretch of road like the
> > plague--not that even a 20-foot shoulder would have
> > saved these two from this guy (Note quote: "He had not
> > realized that he struck
> the
> > bicyclists")
> >
> > Take care out there.
> >
> > --
> > Peter
> >
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> They released this murderer on $30,000 bond!!!!!
> Unbelieveable. Very sad on so many fronts.

In most states, the bond has nothing to do with the severity
of the crime; it's based solely on the likelyhood that the
person will run and not show up for their next legal
proceeding, and maybe on the probability that they might
commit another crime in the interim.

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"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote
> In a just world, the driver would surrender all his
> assets to the
families
> of the victems and would then be executed.

Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.

-Brendon
 
> Apparently, the driver did not know he had hit the
> cyclists and continued west for about 700 feet until he
> was stopped by an off-duty Vallejo police officer, the
> spokeswoman said. The officer detained the man until CHP
> officers arrived, she said. He is now in custody and
> charged with driving under the influence.

I read and hear about things like this and once in a while
think that maybe I shouldn't be taking life for granted. I
don't think there's anything I can take from what happened
that might make me safer on the road, nor much I can see
that might be done to ensure that things like this don't
happen in general. The guy was drunk, before noon even.
Unless we make alcoholism a capital offense...

When I was in DC for the Bicycle Summit, we were discussing
how best to use money to make the roads safer for cycling.
When we looked at how money is spent and where most of the
danger comes from, it was blindingly clear that ANYTHING
done to reduce drinking drivers being on the road had the
most significant impact on safety. Nothing else was even
close. I'm just not sure how far society is willing to go
to handle the problem. Look at all the hoopla every time
they set up sobriety checkpoints! Still, this guy was
operating far outside of the norm, meaning that any
additional efforts to target drunk drivers on the road is
best spent when there are more drunk drivers on the road,
specifically in the evenings.

Basic laws regarding serving alcohol in California can be
found here- http://www.bartendergirl.com/gar_state.htm

So I question this- is there a need to be selling alcohol at
6am at a bar (or anywhere else?)? So I retract my earlier
statement that there's nothing that can be done about
accidents like this. I don't know if the guy was actually
drinking in a bar or had a six-pack at home before he took
to the road, but it seems that anything done to encourage
early recreational drinking is a bad thing.

This particular story, these particular cyclists aren't
merely an excuse for an academic exercise. They were both
customers of ours.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com
 
> > In a just world, the driver would surrender all his
> > assets to the
> families
> > of the victems and would then be executed.
>
> Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*. -Brendon

The driver would never do it again...

May brother Alan be in heaven an hour, before the devil
knows he is dead.
 
"Brendon M. Troy" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> "Paul" <[email protected]> wrote
> > In a just world, the driver would surrender all his
> > assets to the
> families
> > of the victems and would then be executed.
>
> Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.

Yes ... yes it would. Especially if the victim had young
children. It could make the difference between the children
living in poverty, or going to college.

C.Q.C.
 
In article
<[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> > Apparently, the driver did not know he had hit the
> > cyclists and continued west for about 700 feet until he
> > was stopped by an off-duty Vallejo police officer, the
> > spokeswoman said. The officer detained the man until CHP
> > officers arrived, she said. He is now in custody and
> > charged with driving under the influence.
>
> I read and hear about things like this and once in a while
> think that maybe I shouldn't be taking life for granted. I
> don't think there's anything I can take from what happened
> that might make me safer on the road, nor much I can see
> that might be done to ensure that things like this don't
> happen in general. The guy was drunk, before noon even.
> Unless we make alcoholism a capital offense...

Alcoholism isn't, but in some countries, drunk driving is...

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"xkred27" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/12cyclist_b1.html
>
> A beautiful Easter morning in the Sonoma Valley turns into
> this. I live just a couple of miles from the scene of the
> crime, and avoid that stretch of road like the plague--not
> that even a 20-foot shoulder would have saved these two
> from this guy (Note quote: "He had not realized that he
> struck the bicyclists")
>
> Take care out there.

Problem is, that is not an easy area for non-locals to
navigate except on Hwy 12. I would suspect that they were
out visiting the wineries on 12, anyway, hence the draw to
stay along the highway. The only alternative to get anywhere
would be to navigate the roads between 12 and Annadel SP,
and those are a maze and do not show up well on most of the
maps that one can find easily. A bit of a shake-up for me.
On Saturday I had given a friend directions from where I
live (Mountain View, same as the deceased victim) to Santa
Rosa, and I had directed them to follow 121 then 12 from
Napa over to SR. Now I need to re-think.

- rick
 
"Rick Warner" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>On Saturday I had given a friend directions from where I
>live (Mountain View, same as the deceased victim)
to
> Santa Rosa, and I had directed them to follow 121 then 12
> from Napa over
to
> SR. Now I need to re-think.
>
12 is such a mixed bag in terms of shoulder width. I had to
go into Santa Rosa today and drove by the spot where this
occurred. A roadside bouquet and pink paint in the road were
the only evidence of the prior day's carnage. The incident
occurred on a stretch of road heavily shaded by valley oaks
and with a 2-3 foot shoulder. The big oaks rain litter on
the shoulder and on the road, further increasing the danger.
The victims were less than a few hundred yards from a point
where 12 opens up wide--you emerge from deep shade and the
shoulder widens to 8-10 feet--and stays that way for the
next several miles all the way into Santa Rosa. Going in the
opposite direction--toward Napa--the shoulder disappears outright--
in Glen Ellen, near Trinity Road. 12 used to be a true 2-
lane "country" road. With population growth and, in
particular, the suburbanization of Sonoma County, the road
has turned into a commute corridor with wall-to-wall traffic
going 50-60 mph most times of the day. But as has been
noted, these are all side issues: The man was blind drunk
before noon. Mere sobriety would have pretty much mitigated
all risk factors.

--
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:52:20 -0400, "Brendon M. Troy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote
>> In a just world, the driver would surrender all his
>> assets to the
>families
>> of the victems and would then be executed.
>
>Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.
>
>-Brendon

Yes Brendon - it would. If people were actually forced to
bear the responsibility of their actions up to - and
including forfeiture of their life - social behavior would
change. It would make it *better* for the next law-abiding
Citizen who comes along. As long as society panders to
criminals, stating solutions such as "education" (the PC catch-
all patch for everything), nothing will change - why would
it? Where is the motivation? Where was the motivation for
this criminal

away with it?

Doesn't matter whether or not we like it - this is life.

If you wanna kill someone - just spill vodka all over your
shirt, drink some and then park your car at an intersection
you know this person will eventually cross. Then just run
them over (while leaving the bottle on the front seat) -
presto! OTOH, shoot a rapist while attacking your wife in
your own home (well, in Amerika anyway) and see what
happens to you!

The reasons that solutions such as the one proposed above do
not work is because they have never been fully implemented.
Less than 3% of the prisoners sentenced to death are
actually executed. Before one can say that the death
sentence doesn't work, the death sentence should be
implemented 100%.

I apologize for being so far off-topic. If it helps, in my
vodka/car scenario above, I suppose one could have a bike
rack on the vehicle.

Michael J. Klein Please replace asiancastings for
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"Michael J. Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> the bottle on the front seat) - presto! OTOH, shoot a
> rapist while attacking your wife in your own home (well,
> in Amerika anyway) and see what happens to you!

I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man knocked
on the door of a house to get directions to a Halloween
party and was summarily executed by the homeowner. He
escaped punishment entirely.

> The reasons that solutions such as the one proposed above
> do not work is because they have never been fully
> implemented. Less than 3% of the prisoners sentenced to
> death are actually executed. Before one can say that the
> death sentence doesn't work, the death sentence should be
> implemented 100%.

That's because it's likely that only 3% were correctly
convicted and sentenced to the death penalty! Nothing like
being executed by the state by mistake, you DO get to have
your name cleared posthumously by DNA evidence.

Cheers,

Scott..
 
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:30:50 -0400, "S. Anderson"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man knocked
>on the door of a house to get directions to a Halloween
>party and was summarily executed by the homeowner. He
>escaped punishment entirely.

I remember it as Louisiana and the person killed was a
Japanese citizen. The legal process was monitored by the
Japanese consular people and press, the U.S. government, and
various other interested parties, so I'm guessing that they
at least dotted all the Is and crossed all the Ts.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...
 
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in news:plWec.39039$M3.27062
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
> Here's an update on this sad story: http://www.pressdemoc-
> rat.com/local/news/13crashfolo_b1.html Turns out the
> driver is a lawyer.

This is a real sad story. The victim was a young MIT
graduate who raced in triathalons and volunteered as a
swimming and water polo coach. His girlfriend (and fellow
triathlete) remains critically injured with spine and skull
injuries. What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?
 
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:40 +0000, Ken <[email protected]>
> wrote in message <[email protected]>:
>
>> What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?
>
> One with a guilty conscience?

Oh, c'mon! There'd be no room in rehabs for 'em all...

Bill "sorta like the lips moving thing" S.