One Cyclist Killed; Another Seriously Injured

[Rick Onanian]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:40 +0000, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>skull injuries. What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?

I don't think it was before noon, but probably the same kind
of lawyer that does this:
http://www.madd.org/victims/0,1056,5073,00.html

After the hit-and-run, the dying kid dragged his mutilated
body off the road to avoid being run over by anybody else.
11 hours later, the lawyer went back to see what he'd done.
He proceeded to claim that he thought he had hit a deer.
--
Rick Onanian

 

[Zippy The Pinhe]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:32:35 GMT, "xkred27" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>(Note quote: "He had not realized that he struck the
>bicyclists")

I'll bet this guy is a repeat DUI, or 502 in California.

I have lost friends to drunk drivers, and I say this with
all sincerity.

One offense, and you become a lifelong pedestrian.

Do it again -- even ONCE again, and your eyes get put out.
Poked right out of your head.

That is the ONLY deterrent for these morons.

 

[Dennis P. Harri]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:40 +0000 in rec.bicycles.misc, Ken
<[email protected]> wrote:

> This is a real sad story. The victim was a young MIT
> graduate who raced in triathalons and volunteered as a
> swimming and water polo coach. His girlfriend (and fellow
> triathlete) remains critically injured with spine and
> skull injuries. What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?

probably the kind with previous DWIs. someone should do an
online search of his records to find out. if he has multiple
convictions, the bike coalition, the parents of the kids he
coached, and his friends should be calling the DAs office
every 20 minutes to find out when they are going to press
manslaughter or 2nd degree murder charges.

the penalties for dwi resulting in death should be at
least 10 years. the penalty for the second dwi or driving
without a license due to dwi should be 5 years and a
lifetime license revocation. there wouldn't be very many
2nd offenses.

 

[Mike Schwab]

Hey, I saw that on Quincy, ME a couple of decades ago (My
mom and two sisters are RNs). The driver hit his accountant,
about to blow a scam, then blamed him for stealing the
money. But he hit his knee on the dashboard, and blood
filled the hematoma, which they drained and kept the blook,
which Quincy tested and found he was not drunk when he had
the accident.

"Michael J. Klein" wrote: <snip>
> If you wanna kill someone - just spill vodka all over your
> shirt, drink some and then park your car at an
> intersection you know this person will eventually cross.
> Then just run them over (while leaving the bottle on the
> front seat) - presto! OTOH, shoot a rapist while attacking
> your wife in your own home (well, in Amerika anyway) and
> see what happens to you!
<snip

 

[Mike Schwab]

New Orleans about 6 years ago. <snip>
> I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man knocked
> on the door of a house to get directions to a Halloween
> party and was summarily executed by the homeowner. He
> escaped punishment entirely.

 

[Allister]

Originally posted by Just Zis Guy
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:40 +0000, Ken <[email protected]> wrote in
message <[email protected]>:

>What kind of lawyer is drunk before noon?

One with a guilty conscience?

A lawyer with a conscience? There's a turn-up.

 

[Bruce Frech]

Another data point:

A father of a friend of mine was in a canoe with two others
in the middle of a lake in Maine. A 13 year old claimed he
was aiming at a deer and with one shot from a rifle killed
my friend's father. He got off free, and both he and his
father didn't even lose the right to own guns. How many deer
ride in canoes?

Bruce

 

[Curtis L . Russ]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:26:29 -0800, [email protected]
(Dennis P. Harris) wrote:

>the penalty for the second dwi or driving without a license
>due to dwi should be 5 years and a lifetime license
>revocation. there wouldn't be very many 2nd offenses.

One would wish. But the record shows that people that drive
irresponsibly tend to drive whether their license is
revoked or not.

They won't drive when they are in prison, but they'll be
driving, license or no, when they get out. Unless you start
using some sort of lock-out key on cars that works off of
valid licenses (not altogether impossible down the road, so
to speak), they will be driving.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

 

[W K]

"Mike Schwab" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> New Orleans about 6 years ago. <snip>
> > I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man
> > knocked on the door
of a
> > house to get directions to a Halloween party and was
> > summarily executed
by
> > the homeowner. He escaped punishment entirely.

There was a similar case with a scottish man, trying asking
directions.

 

[Rick Onanian]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:42:07 +0000 (UTC), "W K"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mike Schwab" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> New Orleans about 6 years ago. <snip>
>> > I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man
>> > knocked on the door
>
>There was a similar case with a scottish man, trying asking
>directions.

Considering the abundance of different versions and
locations, I'd say this is either very common, or an
urban legend...
--
Rick Onanian

 

[Curtis L . Russ]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:08:09 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Considering the abundance of different versions and
>locations, I'd say this is either very common, or an urban
>legend...
>--
>Rick Onanian

The Louisiana case is most defintiely NOT an urban legend.
It happened on Halloween night in Baton Rouge, LA in 1992.
His name was Yoshihiro Hattori and he was a 16 year-old
exchange student from Japan. He was on his way to a
Halloween party and stopped to ask directions. The homeowner
was acquitted on the grounds that he was legally protecting
his home. Evidently no one explained Halloween to him.

I've had probably a hundred or so 16-18 year-olds trick or
treat at my place over the last decade and haven't had to
shoot one of them yet...

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

 

[Lorielin@Pacbel]

Today in the paper it came out that he tested .3 blood
alcohol level.

My SO & I & kids were heading to brunch on that road on
Sunday and got caught up in the traffic. He is an avid
cyclist and as we passed the scene notice the horribly
mangled remains of one of the bikes by the side of the road
and the tarp covered body on the other. A little ways down
the road we saw the cops with the guy who did it and let me
tell you he looked completely wrecked, and out of it. And I
don't think it was from shock. We were both extremely shook
up after seeing this and I'm sure it will stay in my mind
for quite awhile when my guy's out on rides.

After learning that the driver was an attorney, I figure he
must have pulled some strings to be able to post bail on
Easter Sunday, but who knows.

 

[DiabloScott]

Originally posted by Lorielin@Pacbel
Today in the paper it came out that he tested .3 blood
alcohol level.

My SO & I & kids were heading to brunch on that road on
Sunday and got caught up in the traffic. He is an avid
cyclist and as we passed the scene notice the horribly
mangled remains of one of the bikes by the side of the road
and the tarp covered body on the other. A little ways down
the road we saw the cops with the guy who did it and let me
tell you he looked completely wrecked, and out of it. And I
don't think it was from shock. We were both extremely shook
up after seeing this and I'm sure it will stay in my mind
for quite awhile when my guy's out on rides.

After learning that the driver was an attorney, I figure he
must have pulled some strings to be able to post bail on
Easter Sunday, but who knows.

I was at Howarth Park on Easter at about that time. I came from the West but my in-laws came from the East and told me of the accident. I remember riding that road all the time from Santa Rosa to Glen Ellen when I lived up there. It was always dicey going through the "Croakmont" area and that was when the population was about 1/3 less than it is now.

Aren't lawyers automatically disbarred for a felony conviction? Not that that would be sufficient punishment, I'm all for the stockade for this kind of offense. Torture is too good for him.

 

[Curtis L . Russ]

On 14 Apr 2004 09:33:06 -0700, [email protected]
([email protected]) wrote:

>
>After learning that the driver was an attorney, I figure he
>must have pulled some strings to be able to post bail on
>Easter Sunday, but who knows.

I'm guessing that an attorney that drives a nine year
old car doesn't have all that many strings to pull. Just
possible he is a dedicated ecologist that chooses a nine-year-
old Toyota(? - can't remember for sure) over a brand new
Lexus, but I'm guessing maybe he really has had a
problem (PURE SPECULATION, SO DON"T POST AN EMAIL NOTING
THE OBVIOUS).

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

 

[David Reuteler]

Curtis L. Russell <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm guessing that an attorney that drives a nine year old
> car doesn't have all that many strings to pull. Just
> possible he is a dedicated ecologist that chooses a nine-year-
> old Toyota(? - can't remember for sure) over a brand new
> Lexus, but I'm guessing maybe he really has had a problem
> (PURE SPECULATION, SO DON"T POST AN EMAIL NOTING THE
> OBVIOUS).

it was a 1995 nissan sentra. coincidentally the exact same
year and model as my car. please don't insult my car. it
takes such things personally. it's very temperamental. it
still starts and even runs consistently. hell, it runs
pretty well. nice car. nice car.
--
david reuteler [email protected]

 

[Rick Warner]

Zippy the Pinhead <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:32:35 GMT, "xkred27"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >(Note quote: "He had not realized that he struck the
> >bicyclists")
>
> I'll bet this guy is a repeat DUI, or 502 in California.

Not sure if he is a repeat, but he was pretty sauced:
initial BAC test came in at 0.3%. Before 11:30 AM. See
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/14bike_b3.html .
That is some serious pre-noon drinking.

- rick

 

[Curtis L . Russ]

On 14 Apr 2004 17:54:15 GMT, David Reuteler <[email protected]> wrote:

>it was a 1995 nissan sentra. coincidentally the exact same
>year and model as my car. please don't insult my car. it
>takes such things personally. it's very temperamental. it
>still starts and even runs consistently. hell, it runs
>pretty well. nice car. nice car.

I think I recently mentioned that my preference is for Saabs
over 150,000 miles. Unfortunately three self-destructed in
the same week (pinion gear on one and two turbo casings
cracked by cold rain water). The last two left my wife
stranded, one after the other. And then she borrowed her
father's Lincoln and it proceeded to break down for the
first time in a decade.

So now I drive a 2003 Saab 9-5 and she drives a Pontiac
Vibe, both with extended warranties, and I'm waiting for her
to get over that one week to get back to Saabs that are
decently broken in. Like one of the last of the 9000s. Or
even that 96 from the 50s...

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

 

[David Kerber]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:32:35 GMT, "xkred27"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >(Note quote: "He had not realized that he struck the
> >bicyclists")
>
> I'll bet this guy is a repeat DUI, or 502 in California.
>
> I have lost friends to drunk drivers, and I say this with
> all sincerity.
>
> One offense, and you become a lifelong pedestrian.
>
> Do it again -- even ONCE again, and your eyes get put out.
> Poked right out of your head.
>
> That is the ONLY deterrent for these morons.

WRT drunk driving sentences, there was a story on our local
news tonight about one of these cases. The guy had been
drinking and also did a line of coke, then got in the car
with two of his friends and went out and raced another guy
down the road. He crashed and killed both of his passengers.

Today he was sentenced to 12 years in jail.

--
Dave Kerber Fight spam: remove the ns_ from the return
address before replying!

REAL programmers write self-modifying code.

 

[Thomas Reynolds]

Ken <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in
> newslWec.39039$M3.27062 @twister.nyroc.rr.com:
> > Here's an update on this sad story: http://www.pressdem-
> > ocrat.com/local/news/13crashfolo_b1.html Turns out the
> > driver is a lawyer.
>
> This is a real sad story. The victim was a young MIT
> graduate who raced in triathalons and volunteered as a
> swimming and water polo coach.

Its sad when any young life is lost. More so for someone who
is a real asset to society, an engineering graduate of MIT
who volunteered his spare time.

Tom

 

[Zippy The Pinhe]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:08:09 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>> > I seem to recall a case in Texas where a young man
>>> > knocked on the door
>>
>>There was a similar case with a scottish man, trying
>>asking directions.
>
>Considering the abundance of different versions and
>locations, I'd say this is either very common, or an urban
>legend...

Nope. The shooter was named Peairs. Shootee was Yoshi
Hatori, a Japanese exchange student. It happened in
Louisiana not Texas. That's enough to google it.