"Jeffrey Turner" <
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> tcomeau wrote:
> > Jeffrey Turner <
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> >>tcomeau wrote:
> >>>Jeffrey Turner <
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> >>>>tcomeau wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>see:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
http://wheat.pw.usda.gov/ggpages/topics/celiac.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The manifestations of celiac disease are initiated (and re-initiated) in susceptible
> >>>>>individuals upon eating wheat, rye, or barley, or any products from these grains that contain
> >>>>>the main storage proteins of these grains.
> >>>>
> >>>>It's a genetic disease. If you don't have the gene, it's not a concern. Do you avoid any food
> >>>>that someone else might be allergic to?
> >>>
> >>>I'm told that obesity is a *genetic* condition.
> >>
> >>You should stop listening to charlatans, that is your problem.
> >>
> >>>Mental illness is a *genetic* condition. Heart disease is a *genetic* disease. Diabetes is a
> >>>*genetic* disease. But somehow these *genetic* diseases seem to increase in incidence, some of
> >>>these *genetic* diseases have doubled or tripled in the last 30 years. Somehow the *genetic*
> >>>diseases are spreading wider and farther. Families that never had these problems in the past
> >>>are now having them. How is this possible? Are we genetically mutating? That is the fasted
> >>>spread of *genetic* disease ever encountered in human history.
> >>>
> >>>But it is related to genes. We evolved without refined carbs and large amounts of grains in the
> >>>diet. Our bodies are not genetically programmed to to be able to handle a diet high in refined
> >>>carbs and grains. Consumption of refined carbs, for instance high-fructose corn syrup, has
> >>>increased at about the same rate as diabetes. This has caused the epidemics of obesity, heart
> >>>disease, diabetes and mental illness/depression.
> >>
> >>Consumption of empty calories can do that. If you subsist on "low-carb" burgers at Wendy's
> >>you'll have serious health problems too.
> >>
> >>>Grains are not well tolerated by many people.
> >>
> >>Many people don't tolerate dairy products, either.
> >>
> >>>Some react worse than others. In the end, it is not a historically or evolutionary natural
> >>>source of nutrition for humans and will cause some degree of problems, one way or another, for
> >>>humans in general.
> >>
> >>So which is it, all grain-based products are evil or only those that are refined? Get your
> >>disinformation straight.
> >
> > Grains in general are a very recent addition to our diets, evolutionarily speaking. Agriculture
> > is about 10,000 years ago. We have been evolving for millions of years without minimal amounts
> > of grains.
>
> I doubt grains entered the human diet with agriculture - agriculture just ensured a steady supply
> of something that humans were already eating. And those grains were so hazardous to humans that
> they lead to the creation of civilization.
They came with a price. Celiac disease, osteoporosis as the result of celiac disease, dental decay,
and possibly schizophrenia. And they came with a reward, beer
As the the ancient pagan priests of
Ur would say "a drunk peasant is one that less apt to revolt against his god-king." ;-)
>
> > Humans, generally speaking, do not tolerate grains well. And when you refine them, you are
> > really playing with fire.
>
> Oh my, yes, the number of deaths each year attributed to Wonder Bread is just mind boggling.
>
> > Whole grains may be tolerated by some, but refined grains do us all damage.
>
> Refined grains may not be the most healthful, nutritious food you can find but I hardly think they
> are as hazardous as all that.
If your are the "lucky" one in about 140 then you are screwed. And it doesn't matter whether the
grain is refined or unrefined if you are among the unlucky.
>
> --Jeff
