Opinion on My Supplements



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Rich Shewmaker

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"KrystalNJeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some
exercise. I
> am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.
But, at
> times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford either
> expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I
will
> just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying, using
> vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.
>
> Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,
>
> 3 grams of Vit C
> 8,000 IU of Vit A
> 400 IU of Vit E
> 100mg of Magnesium
> 100mg of Selenium
> 1000 mg of Calcium
> 3 Fish Oil softgels
> 2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
> CoQ10 softgel for Heart
> Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart
>
> also for vision I take these each day
>
> Primrose
> Bilberry
> Lutein
>
> and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
> 2,000 mg CLA
>
> Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.
>
> I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my
health
> and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I
also
> drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would
like to
> reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
> supplements will allow me to do that.
>

It looks to me like you are spending more on supplements than I pay for
health insurance.

--Rich
 
Ever considered that it might be the sheer amount of supplements that you
take, are causing your pains?
(Or it may be in the mind?)
If you want info on alt heart disease http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/
Anth

"KrystalNJeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some
exercise. I
> am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.
But, at
> times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford either
> expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I
will
> just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying, using
> vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.
>
> Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,
>
> 3 grams of Vit C
> 8,000 IU of Vit A
> 400 IU of Vit E
> 100mg of Magnesium
> 100mg of Selenium
> 1000 mg of Calcium
> 3 Fish Oil softgels
> 2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
> CoQ10 softgel for Heart
> Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart
>
> also for vision I take these each day
>
> Primrose
> Bilberry
> Lutein
>
> and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
> 2,000 mg CLA
>
> Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.
>
> I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my
health
> and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I
also
> drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would
like to
> reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
> supplements will allow me to do that.
>
 
At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some exercise. I
am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better. But, at
times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford either
expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I will
just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying, using
vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my health
and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I also
drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would like to
reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.
 
[email protected] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some exercise. I
> am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better. But, at
> times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford either
> expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I will
> just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying, using
> vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.
>
> Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,
>
> 3 grams of Vit C
> 8,000 IU of Vit A
> 400 IU of Vit E
> 100mg of Magnesium
> 100mg of Selenium
> 1000 mg of Calcium
> 3 Fish Oil softgels
> 2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
> CoQ10 softgel for Heart
> Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart
>
> also for vision I take these each day
>
> Primrose
> Bilberry
> Lutein
>
> and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
> 2,000 mg CLA
>
> Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.
>
> I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my health
> and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I also
> drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would like to
> reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
> supplements will allow me to do that.

I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
1/2 or 1/1.
For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
damaged heart and improves its function.
Standard Process Cataplex E2 - a whole food concentrate that helps
with angina.
Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine
and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart
problems.
 
Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic
symptom.

"William Kotheimer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some
exercise. I
> > am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.
But, at
> > times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford
either
> > expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I
will
> > just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,
using
> > vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.
> >
> > Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,
> >
> > 3 grams of Vit C
> > 8,000 IU of Vit A
> > 400 IU of Vit E
> > 100mg of Magnesium
> > 100mg of Selenium
> > 1000 mg of Calcium
> > 3 Fish Oil softgels
> > 2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
> > CoQ10 softgel for Heart
> > Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart
> >
> > also for vision I take these each day
> >
> > Primrose
> > Bilberry
> > Lutein
> >
> > and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
> > 2,000 mg CLA
> >
> > Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.
> >
> > I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my
health
> > and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I
also
> > drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would
like to
> > reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
> > supplements will allow me to do that.
>
> I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
> possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
> vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
> increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
> 1/2 or 1/1.
> For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
> Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
> for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
> of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
> damaged heart and improves its function.
> Standard Process Cataplex E2 - a whole food concentrate that helps
> with angina.
> Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine
> and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart
> problems.
 
>Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
>From: "Gymmy Bob" [email protected]
>Date: 5/3/2004 5:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>

>William Kotheimer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

> > At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some
>exercise. I
>> > am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.
>But, at
>> > times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford
>either
>> > expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I
>will
>> > just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,
>using
>> > vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.
>> >
>> > Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,
>> >
>> > 3 grams of Vit C
>> > 8,000 IU of Vit A
>> > 400 IU of Vit E
>> > 100mg of Magnesium
>> > 100mg of Selenium
>> > 1000 mg of Calcium
>> > 3 Fish Oil softgels
>> > 2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
>> > CoQ10 softgel for Heart
>> > Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart
>> >
>> > also for vision I take these each day
>> >
>> > Primrose
>> > Bilberry
>> > Lutein
>> >
>> > and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
>> > 2,000 mg CLA
>> >
>> > Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.
>> >
>> > I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my
>health
>> > and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I
>also
>> > drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would
>like to
>> > reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
>> > supplements will allow me to do that.
>>
>> I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
>> possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
>> vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
>> increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
>> 1/2 or 1/1.
>> For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
>> Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
>> for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
>> of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
>> damaged heart and improves its function.
>> Standard Process Cataplex

> > At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some
>exercise. I
>> > am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.
>But, at
>> > times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford
>either
>> > expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I
>will
>> > just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,
>using
>> > vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.
>> >
>> > Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,
>> >
>> > 3 grams of Vit C
>> > 8,000 IU of Vit A
>> > 400 IU of Vit E
>> > 100mg of Magnesium
>> > 100mg of Selenium
>> > 1000 mg of Calcium
>> > 3 Fish Oil softgels
>> > 2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
>> > CoQ10 softgel for Heart
>> > Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart
>> >
>> > also for vision I take these each day
>> >
>> > Primrose
>> > Bilberry
>> > Lutein
>> >
>> > and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
>> > 2,000 mg CLA
>> >
>> > Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.
>> >
>> > I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my
>health
>> > and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I
>also
>> > drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would
>like to
>> > reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
>> > supplements will allow me to do that.
>>
>> I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
>> possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
>> vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
>> increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
>> 1/2 or 1/1.
>> For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
>> Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
>> for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
>> of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
>> damaged heart and improves its function.
>> Standard Process Cataplex

> Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine
>> and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart

It is this kind of "advice" that gives the alties a bad name

this man is at VERY high risk of heart disease..ie.. 50 years old..male..obese
(the big three)

and admits to what he describes as "heart pains"..

then goes on to list a gazillion "supplements" he is taking cuz he cannot
afford medical care..

and what is the suggestion??

why spend MORE money on chiropractic????

> And, I have been trying,
>using
>> > vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

unfortunately it is unlikely that all the supplements you are taking will help
"recover your health"...esp not plaque in your heart

> I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my
>health
>> > and strengthening my heart?

no...it is NOT reasonable..

what would be...would be to try your damnest to get into to see a REAL
doctor..for REAL cardiac testing...it could save your life....

not sure where you are...but there ARE ways to obtain legitimate medical
care...

good luck


hawki.....
 
Of angina pectoris and impending or past MI.

On Mon, 3 May 2004 20:37:54 -0400, "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic
>symptom.
>
>"William Kotheimer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>> > At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some
>exercise. I
>> > am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.
>But, at
>> > times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford
>either
>> > expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I
>will
>> > just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,
>using
>> > vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
[email protected]
 
First consider an EKG to rule out the possibility of cardiac problems.



"Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic
> symptom.
>
> "William Kotheimer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > [email protected] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some
> exercise. I
> > > am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much
better.
> But, at
> > > times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford
> either
> > > expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure.
I
> will
> > > just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,
> using
> > > vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.
> > >
> > > Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,
> > >
> > > 3 grams of Vit C
> > > 8,000 IU of Vit A
> > > 400 IU of Vit E
> > > 100mg of Magnesium
> > > 100mg of Selenium
> > > 1000 mg of Calcium
> > > 3 Fish Oil softgels
> > > 2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
> > > CoQ10 softgel for Heart
> > > Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart
> > >
> > > also for vision I take these each day
> > >
> > > Primrose
> > > Bilberry
> > > Lutein
> > >
> > > and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
> > > 2,000 mg CLA
> > >
> > > Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.
> > >
> > > I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering
my
> health
> > > and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking?
I
> also
> > > drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I
would
> like to
> > > reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
> > > supplements will allow me to do that.
> >
> > I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
> > possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
> > vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
> > increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
> > 1/2 or 1/1.
> > For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
> > Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
> > for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
> > of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
> > damaged heart and improves its function.
> > Standard Process Cataplex E2 - a whole food concentrate that helps
> > with angina.
> > Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine
> > and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart
> > problems.
>
>
 
>Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
>From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 4, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
>[email protected]
>Date: 5/4/2004 5:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>

>First consider an EKG to rule out the possibility of cardiac problems.
>

actually Mark...that would not be enough...

"resting EKGs" are pretty much useless...except to document rate and
rhythm....AND to determine if significant damage has already occurred..

this guy needs a diagnostic work up..at least a "stress EKG treadmill..or
stress ECHO" to give an idea about coronary artery disease...

the 'heart pains" he describes could well be muscular...but with the other risk
factors...better to be safe than sorry.


hawki.....
 
"Hawki63" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
> >From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 4, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
> >[email protected]
> >Date: 5/4/2004 5:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
>
> >First consider an EKG to rule out the possibility of cardiac problems.
> >
>
> actually Mark...that would not be enough...

Agreed. But I did not want to scare him. Once he sees a RealDoctor, his
needs will be met.

> "resting EKGs" are pretty much useless...except to document rate and
> rhythm....AND to determine if significant damage has already occurred..
>
> this guy needs a diagnostic work up..at least a "stress EKG treadmill..or
> stress ECHO" to give an idea about coronary artery disease...
>
> the 'heart pains" he describes could well be muscular...but with the other
risk
> factors...better to be safe than sorry.
>
>
> hawki.....
>
>
 
>Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
>From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 4, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
>[email protected]
>Date: 5/4/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

>Agreed. But I did not want to scare him. Once he sees a RealDoctor, his
>needs will be met.
>

personally I think he "needs" to be a little scared...as he sounded asif he had
no intention of seeing a real doctor...


hawki.....
 
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