Orbea Onix TDF vs Orca

[Frank Taco]

Sorry about the cross-post . . . someone over at RBM suggested I was
in the wrong place and should post here instead. Thanks.

********************

Hi,

I'm looking for a new carbon frame road bike and am looking seriously
at Orbeas. The Onix is a box bike with the following specs:


Frame: Orbea Onix T700 Monocoque Carbon
Fork: Blue Zeus AC Carbon
STI/Ergo: Shimano Ultegra
Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra
Chain: Shimano 105
Cassette: Shimano 105 12-25
Brakes: Shimano Ultegra
Crank: FSA SLK Carbon 34/50
Wheelset: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe
Tires: Vittoria Rubino 700 x 23
Stem: ITM Lite Luxe
Bar: ITM Lite Luxe
Seatpost: Kalloy Carbon
Saddle: Selle Italia SLK SE
Weight is listed as 17.5 lbs, although the website doesn't specify
for
what frame size.


MSRP: $2,400.00


The Orca is a build-to-order. When I spec it with components as
similar as possible to the Onix it looks as follows:


Frame/Fork: Orca (57) Toray M40J
Wheels: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe
Stem: ITM Lite Luxe (110)
Bars: ITM Lite Luxe (44)
Crankset: FSA SLK Compact (170)
Seatpost: Zeus Carbon
Saddle: Selle Italia SLK SE
Total Weight (this configuration) 7746 grams / 17.07 lbs


Suggested Retail (this configuration) $4,090.00


So there is a price difference of almost $1700. Since the components
are basically the same, the price difference is in the frame/forks.
I
know the Orca is way sexier, but other than that is there anything to
justify the big price difference between the two?


I'm 45, 5'-11", 185 lbs. I will use the bike for weekly club rides
from 25-90 miles, along with 3 organized centuries and one double
century this year, so comfort is a big consideration. I also race
(very recreationally) in a local weekly series.


Thanks in advance for your feedback.


FT

 

[Frank Taco]

On Apr 3, 3:34 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2:53 pm, "Frank Taco" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Sounds like you don't need either. What are you riding now?

Steel, 21.5 lbs. I'd like to try something lighter.

 

[[email protected]]

On Apr 3, 4:33 pm, "Frank Taco" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 3:34 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 2:53 pm, "Frank Taco" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like you don't need either. What are you riding now?
>
> Steel, 21.5 lbs. I'd like to try something lighter.

Well I'm a bit of a hypocrite because I just bought two CF bikes
(could not decide which one) to replace my 22lb steel bike. I was
shopping for smoother ride, not lighter, but at any rate I dropped 2x
$1000 on two bikes I certainly don't need. That said, they are more
pleasant to ride than the steel bike. So go ahead

The two bikes I bought were of the "used twice then put away"
variety. A late 90's Kestrel 200sci and a 2000 Trek 5200. I was
shopping for a kestrel 200sci (which I had wanted since test-riding
one in the 90s), and trek 5200s kept appearing for sale much more
frequently, and I kept wondering how they would compare, so in the
end, I figured get them both and ride them both for a month and sell
the one you like less. So far I think the kestrel is noticably
superior. I think I can feel the 5200 flexing under power more, and
I also think I can see it flexing more when I dismount, hold the
brakes, and load one pedal. They both ride velvety-smooth, and maybe
it's all in my head, but I think the kestrel feels more solid. It's
not that I can hear the trek rattling, or feel the fact that the frame
is made up of many pieces, but nevertheless the kestrel has an unreal
smoothness and silent-ness. Maybe it's just marketing BS working on
me. But I think it's a quieter ride than the 5200 and if I dare say
without being able to back up: feels more solid too.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/305205629.html

Regards,
Doug

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

On Apr 3, 3:53 pm, "Frank Taco" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry about the cross-post . . . someone over at RBM suggested I was
> in the wrong place and should post here instead. Thanks.
>
> ********************
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a new carbon frame road bike and am looking seriously
> at Orbeas. The Onix is a box bike with the following specs:
>
> Frame: Orbea Onix T700 Monocoque Carbon
> Fork: Blue Zeus AC Carbon
> STI/Ergo: Shimano Ultegra
> Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra
> Rear Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra
> Chain: Shimano 105
> Cassette: Shimano 105 12-25
> Brakes: Shimano Ultegra
> Crank: FSA SLK Carbon 34/50
> Wheelset: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe
> Tires: Vittoria Rubino 700 x 23
> Stem: ITM Lite Luxe
> Bar: ITM Lite Luxe
> Seatpost: Kalloy Carbon
> Saddle: Selle Italia SLK SE
> Weight is listed as 17.5 lbs, although the website doesn't specify
> for
> what frame size.
>
> MSRP: $2,400.00
>
> The Orca is a build-to-order. When I spec it with components as
> similar as possible to the Onix it looks as follows:
>
> Frame/Fork: Orca (57) Toray M40J
> Wheels: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe
> Stem: ITM Lite Luxe (110)
> Bars: ITM Lite Luxe (44)
> Crankset: FSA SLK Compact (170)
> Seatpost: Zeus Carbon
> Saddle: Selle Italia SLK SE
> Total Weight (this configuration) 7746 grams / 17.07 lbs
>
> Suggested Retail (this configuration) $4,090.00
>
> So there is a price difference of almost $1700. Since the components
> are basically the same, the price difference is in the frame/forks.
> I
> know the Orca is way sexier, but other than that is there anything to
> justify the big price difference between the two?
>
> I'm 45, 5'-11", 185 lbs. I will use the bike for weekly club rides
> from 25-90 miles, along with 3 organized centuries and one double
> century this year, so comfort is a big consideration. I also race
> (very recreationally) in a local weekly series.
>
> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>
> FT

I have 2006 LOOK 585, 565 and 555 on deep discounted sale that would
probably fit ya.

585 and 565 are 'Large'-$2000 and $1500 respectively and a 555 in 55
or 57 for $1000...better frames IMO than Orbea.

 

[Larry]

I agree with Look I have a 2004 KG386i with 11,000 mile's and have been
itching to buy a new bike. I have always replaced them every 2 years. I know
there is no logical reason. I just do it because I can and it keeps things
new. The point is no matter how many bikes I test ride, and it has been just
about all in the high end level I can't find one even close to the comfort
and ride quality of the Look. The Orbea Orca is the only one that comes
close. It has a slightly stiffer ride but is one great bike. There is just
not enough improvement if any to change. I would consider Look if you can
fine a shop near you to try one.


"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 3, 3:53 pm, "Frank Taco" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sorry about the cross-post . . . someone over at RBM suggested I was
>> in the wrong place and should post here instead. Thanks.
>>
>> ********************
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking for a new carbon frame road bike and am looking seriously
>> at Orbeas. The Onix is a box bike with the following specs:
>>
>> Frame: Orbea Onix T700 Monocoque Carbon
>> Fork: Blue Zeus AC Carbon
>> STI/Ergo: Shimano Ultegra
>> Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra
>> Rear Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra
>> Chain: Shimano 105
>> Cassette: Shimano 105 12-25
>> Brakes: Shimano Ultegra
>> Crank: FSA SLK Carbon 34/50
>> Wheelset: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe
>> Tires: Vittoria Rubino 700 x 23
>> Stem: ITM Lite Luxe
>> Bar: ITM Lite Luxe
>> Seatpost: Kalloy Carbon
>> Saddle: Selle Italia SLK SE
>> Weight is listed as 17.5 lbs, although the website doesn't specify
>> for
>> what frame size.
>>
>> MSRP: $2,400.00
>>
>> The Orca is a build-to-order. When I spec it with components as
>> similar as possible to the Onix it looks as follows:
>>
>> Frame/Fork: Orca (57) Toray M40J
>> Wheels: Mavic Ksyrium Equipe
>> Stem: ITM Lite Luxe (110)
>> Bars: ITM Lite Luxe (44)
>> Crankset: FSA SLK Compact (170)
>> Seatpost: Zeus Carbon
>> Saddle: Selle Italia SLK SE
>> Total Weight (this configuration) 7746 grams / 17.07 lbs
>>
>> Suggested Retail (this configuration) $4,090.00
>>
>> So there is a price difference of almost $1700. Since the components
>> are basically the same, the price difference is in the frame/forks.
>> I
>> know the Orca is way sexier, but other than that is there anything to
>> justify the big price difference between the two?
>>
>> I'm 45, 5'-11", 185 lbs. I will use the bike for weekly club rides
>> from 25-90 miles, along with 3 organized centuries and one double
>> century this year, so comfort is a big consideration. I also race
>> (very recreationally) in a local weekly series.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>>
>> FT
>
> I have 2006 LOOK 585, 565 and 555 on deep discounted sale that would
> probably fit ya.
>
> 585 and 565 are 'Large'-$2000 and $1500 respectively and a 555 in 55
> or 57 for $1000...better frames IMO than Orbea.
>

 

[Lou Holtman]

Frank Taco wrote:
> Sorry about the cross-post . . . someone over at RBM suggested I was
> in the wrong place and should post here instead. Thanks.
>
> ********************
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a new carbon frame road bike and am looking seriously
> at Orbeas. The Onix is a box bike with the following specs:


Ignore all the advice you get from people with different taste and
wallet content because no one has ridden these two bikes equipped with
that gear for a longer period. Choose what you like the most and can
afford. Nothing worse than ride a ugly bike, even if it's cheap.

Lou, get Campy instead of that butt ugly Shimano
--
Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)

 

[Frank Taco]

On Apr 4, 7:32 am, "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree with Look I have a 2004 KG386i with 11,000 mile's and have been
> itching to buy a new bike. I have always replaced them every 2 years. I know
> there is no logical reason. I just do it because I can and it keeps things
> new. The point is no matter how many bikes I test ride, and it has been just
> about all in the high end level I can't find one even close to the comfort
> and ride quality of the Look. The Orbea Orca is the only one that comes
> close. It has a slightly stiffer ride but is one great bike. There is just
> not enough improvement if any to change. I would consider Look if you can
> fine a shop near you to try one.
>

Yeah, I'd like to check out Look, but unfortunately no one in my area
carries them.