Ordered my fall lighting setup

[Roger Zoul]

[email protected] wrote:
:: On Sep 26, 6:07 pm, "Gooserider" <[email protected]> wrote:
:::
::: I've thought about a dynohub system for years. If I ever set up a
::: bike for touring, I will definitely spec a Schmidt SON and dual
::: Lumotecs. But the DiNotte should be magnitudes brighter.
::
:: Think about the difference between "magnitudes brighter" and "enables
:: you to see much better." They are not the same thing!

I would have thought he meant "magnitudes brighter = enables you to see much
better".

I guess there are ad specs and there is the real world. Since we all can't
test out every lighting systems, it's hard to really know when the two
things mean different things.

 

[Lynne Fitz]

one item you might consider adding are Glo-Gloves. They are used by
public safety personnel (you'd be getting the non-police version), and
they make your hands wonderfully reflective. Great for signaling
turns in the dark.

http://www.gloglov.com/

 

[Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®]

"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ® wrote:
>
>> I don't think there is such thing as overkill when it comes to safety.
>
> Sure there is.
>
>> And riding at night is just about the most dangerous acticity you can do
>> on a bike. I say brighter the better.
>
> I can think of many other more dangerous activities on a bike then riding
> at night with a good lighting system.
>
> In fact, with good lights, the night bicyclist is more visible to vehicles
> than in the daytime.
>
> As long as you equip your bicycle with a good lighting system, it's not
> all that dangerous.


Tell that to the friend of mine who hit a baby head rock on a night commute
and broke his hand stopping his fall. He had a Light & Motion Arc jobbie,
and no, he wasn't drunk, so he says.

 

[[email protected]]

On Sep 28, 2:50 am, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> > As long as you equip your bicycle with a good lighting system, it's not
> > all that dangerous.
>
> Tell that to the friend of mine who hit a baby head rock on a night commute
> and broke his hand stopping his fall. He had a Light & Motion Arc jobbie,
> and no, he wasn't drunk, so he says.

Hmm. Most night commutes don't involve riding rock gardens. Where
was this guy riding?

But more to the point, it's a bit silly to say "I know a person hurt
doing xxxx, so xxxx must be dangerous."

I know a woman who ended up in the hospital with fairly serious facial
and head injuries, because she tripped while taking a stroll at lunch
time.

Should she be telling everyone that strolling is dangerous?

- Frank Krygowski

 

[Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Sep 28, 2:50 am, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> > As long as you equip your bicycle with a good lighting system, it's not
> > all that dangerous.
>
> Tell that to the friend of mine who hit a baby head rock on a night
> commute
> and broke his hand stopping his fall. He had a Light & Motion Arc
> jobbie,
> and no, he wasn't drunk, so he says.

>Hmm. Most night commutes don't involve riding rock gardens. Where
>was this guy riding?

>But more to the point, it's a bit silly to say "I know a person hurt
>doing xxxx, so xxxx must be dangerous."

>I know a woman who ended up in the hospital with fairly serious facial
>and head injuries, because she tripped while taking a stroll at lunch
>time.

>Should she be telling everyone that strolling is dangerous?

>- Frank Krygowski


He was riding on a semi-rural mountain road in the Catskills in upstate NY.
My only point is that the visibility FOR the rider is significantly
diminished at night, even with the latest and greatest HID lights. I've
been to one too many mountain bike night rides where somebody missed seeing
something on the trail or road to have gotten hurt before giving up on night
time riding. I'm not talking about a rider's visibility TO car drivers,
which is another concern altogether. There are a few things I don't do at a
pitch black night any more. Hunting, pitching a tent, riding a bike.
That's just me.

 

[Dane Buson]

Lynne Fitz <[email protected]> wrote:
> one item you might consider adding are Glo-Gloves. They are used by
> public safety personnel (you'd be getting the non-police version), and
> they make your hands wonderfully reflective. Great for signaling
> turns in the dark.
>
> http://www.gloglov.com/

Verrry interesting... I see one of the shops that carries them is only
about two miles away and just about next door to my REI. I have to make
a stop at REI anyway this weekend, so I think I'll drop in and check
them out.

--
Dane Buson - [email protected]
Adler's Distinction:
Language is all that separates us from the lower animals,
and from the bureaucrats.

 

[Gooserider]

"Lynne Fitz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> one item you might consider adding are Glo-Gloves. They are used by
> public safety personnel (you'd be getting the non-police version), and
> they make your hands wonderfully reflective. Great for signaling
> turns in the dark.
>
> http://www.gloglov.com/

Those are pretty interesting, but there's no way I'm giving up my Spenco
Ironman gloves. I'll trade a little less visibility for no hand numbness
anyway. Thanks, though.

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On Sep 28, 2:50 am, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> > As long as you equip your bicycle with a good lighting system, it's not
>> > all that dangerous.
>>
>> Tell that to the friend of mine who hit a baby head rock on a night
>> commute
>> and broke his hand stopping his fall. He had a Light & Motion Arc
>> jobbie,
>> and no, he wasn't drunk, so he says.
>
>>Hmm. Most night commutes don't involve riding rock gardens. Where
>>was this guy riding?
>
>>But more to the point, it's a bit silly to say "I know a person hurt
>>doing xxxx, so xxxx must be dangerous."
>
>>I know a woman who ended up in the hospital with fairly serious facial
>>and head injuries, because she tripped while taking a stroll at lunch
>>time.
>
>>Should she be telling everyone that strolling is dangerous?
>
>>- Frank Krygowski
>
>
> He was riding on a semi-rural mountain road in the Catskills in upstate NY.
> My only point is that the visibility FOR the rider is significantly
> diminished at night, even with the latest and greatest HID lights.

Not everywhere, under all circumstances. Maybe it's a little
unfair to dismiss night riding everywhere because it's
inadvisable in certain locales.

> I've
> been to one too many mountain bike night rides where somebody missed seeing
> something on the trail or road to have gotten hurt before giving up on night
> time riding.

One thing I've noticed is some people's tendencies to challenge
and do battle with adverse conditions, rather than to adapt to
them. This applies to drivers as well as riders. For example,
if it's raining, some drivers will actually become even more
aggressive (and less adaptive) in their approach to the task-at-
hand than if it was fair weather. Same with cyclists.

"I can handle it" are as famous last words as: "Don't worry --
it's not loaded."

> I'm not talking about a rider's visibility TO car drivers,
> which is another concern altogether. There are a few things I don't do at a
> pitch black night any more. Hunting, pitching a tent, riding a bike.
> That's just me.

Ride intelligently within your limitations & adversities,
and you'll be all right. Most of all, don't over-ride
your headlight's "spot" -- if you're gonna do that, might
as well not have a headlight at all.


cheers,
Tom


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