They are not kept 'locked up' - they have considerable freedom. The point is that public transport
and bikes never go together very well, I don't want them to have to deal with the problems alone, in
many respects the journey is not 'known, and they would have to find somewhere to pitch their tent.
No I am not worried about them being murdered - I agree that is an overstated risk. I do not think
it likely they would come to any harm at all. You assume that is the reason I do not want them
travelling alone. They are meant to be going for fun. If they spend the journey anxious and bored
waiting somewhere for me that is not much fun. As I have already said there is also the matter of
the other boy's parents. It is only a month since my son and his friend came home from school to
find the friend's brother dead, having had a tragic accident at home. The parents are naturally
somewhat anxious about their remaining children. Jo "[Not Responding]"
> wrote in message
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:44:17 +0000 (UTC), davep <[email protected]
> >Jo Hardman wrote:
> >> Some time ago I posted a request for information on getting to
> >> with two 16 year olds and three bikes. I don't drive, and the boys are
> >> really old enough to make the journey on their own and meet me there if
> >> train would only take two bikes.
> >two sixteen yr olds not old enough to travel on their own? I cycled to Brighton when I was 11.
> >Hitched round Wales at 14, and Scotland when I was 15. At 16 I hitched round France, met a guy on
> >the beach at Stes-Maries-de-la-Mer and we decided to go to Corsica. We only had enough money for
> >the ferry and food for a couple of days but we stayed a week living on bread, melons and oranges.
> >Great memories. didn't like the mossies though.
> From the age of about 13 I was all over the place on my own; from youth hostelling in the UK to
> cycling in Sweden and Norway and visiting friends in Spain. And that was only 1983 onwards; hardly
> any half remembered golden era. No mobile phones then either.
> The only problem I had was on entering Sweden where the customs chap needed a bit of persuasion
> that I wasn't a runaway.
> I've got children myself now (only 6 and 4 at the moment) and will wish them the best of luck if
> they want to do their own thing. My wife might not, though
> I'd say that 16 is plenty old enough to make a known journey from a to
> It really bothers me, this children as prisoners syndrome that permeates fatherhood these days. If
> you keep them locked up until, say, 17 or 18 when they wander off to university or a job with
> money in their pockets. If that's their first go at independence; from total supervision to total
> freedom, they won't stand a chance.