ot: belly-up to the bar, the writing is on the bill



On 2/27/07 7:13 PM, in article
[email protected], "SLAVE of THE STATE"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> now the global warming nutjobz are on the attack against beer
> drinkers!
>
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7f533724-c507-11db-b110-000b5df10621,_i_rssPage=fce0dc
> ea-3017-11da-ba9f-00000e2511c8.html
>
> this may be one way to sober up the nutz.




Thank God I drink vodka, which can be distilled from damn near anything;
even grapes (as evidenced by Ciroc).




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On Feb 27, 7:13 pm, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <[email protected]> wrote:
> now the global warming nutjobz are on the attack against beer
> drinkers!
>
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7f533724-c507-11db-b110-000b5df10621,_i_rssPa...
>
> this may be one way to sober up the nutz.


If farmers convert barley fields to corn and soy and
the market price for barley goes up and beer gets more
expensive, how can you argue with the free market?
Have some compassion for the poor suckers who prefer
to drink corn whiskey, or soy, um, whatever alcohol
is made from soy (Soy beer, for those of you allergic
to wheat?) The only thing I'm sure of is that no matter
what, ADM, Supermarket to the World, will be making
a profit on it.

Ben
 
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:03:53 +0200, Donald Munro
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Global warming is the fault of LIVEDRUNK(tm). Forget the war on terror,
>its time for a war on LIVEDRUNKARDS (at least they can't hide in caves in
>Pakistan because there's nothing to drink there).


Well, you can if you are a hard liquor fan. Can store it once and
forever. Beer drinkers could have a problem.

Reminds me of Turk and Caicos Islands, on Grand Turk Island. Coca Cola
and beer were relatively expensive because the fresh stuff came by
plane. Bourbon on the other hand was pretty much normal price, since
the scotch and bourbon came by barge.

Forced to drink straight bourbon for two weeks. Or was that straight
bourbon for two straight weeks? A bit fuzzy now. Just kind of remember
lots of conch and bourbon.

And the real issue appears to be that with global warming, you have to
drink faster, before the ice dilutes the whiskey/whisky.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
"SLAVE of THE STATE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> My post was only for a laugh. I'm not at all sure what it has to do
> with global warming -- I just liked the way it rolled off the tongue
> -- like a good beer.


The ethanol industry in this country is presently using some 15% of the corn
crop. This is the corn that's been feeding the third world and already food
prices of corn products have taken a large jump up. President Bush has tried
to sooth the Liberals/Lunatic Environmentalists by claiming that we're going
to replace 20% of our present petroleum with ethanol.

Just so you understand what's going on here - if we used 100% of the corn
crop we produce, it could only replace 12% of the petroleum we use.

And let's talk about the effects here - if we were to replace ALL of the
petroleum we use and EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DID AS WELL - the change in CO2
according to the UN paper would equal .04 degree in the next 100 years.

And what would the results of this big switch be? Well, already wheat and
rice crop areas are switching over to corn because it looks like the prices
will be better. Corn isn't as productive as wheat and other crops so one
other side effect is a reduction of food production.

The USA produces about 60% of the surplus food in the world. But now the
upper middle class whites want to take the food out of the mouths of the
starving people in the world so that they can feel like really green.

So what are the costs of the "green revolution" going to be? Millions of
dead people all murdered by upper middle class white values.
 
> The ethanol industry in this country is presently using some 15% of the
> corn crop. This is the corn that's been feeding the third world and
> already food prices of corn products have taken a large jump up. President
> Bush has tried to sooth the Liberals/Lunatic Environmentalists by claiming
> that we're going to replace 20% of our present petroleum with ethanol.


Er... no. Once agriculture became big business (which happened many, many
years ago), subsidies for crop production (of which one of the
most-significant, and most-often-left-out subsidies, is water) have been a
true bi-partisan effort. Bush isn't trying to appease the liberals &
environmentalists... he's trying to make huge agricultural businesses more
money. Putting a potentially-liberal spin on it is an accidental benefit.

> Just so you understand what's going on here - if we used 100% of the corn
> crop we produce, it could only replace 12% of the petroleum we use.


Agreed. It's a terribly inefficient use of resources. And you skipped an
easy target, too. Shame on you. How could you pass up those full-page ads
Clinton ran a while back, talking about how great Brazil was because they
were producing so much gas from ethanol? Never mind that they're using land
made available through the destruction of their rain forrests, something the
world is badly in need of.

> And let's talk about the effects here - if we were to replace ALL of the
> petroleum we use and EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DID AS WELL - the change in CO2
> according to the UN paper would equal .04 degree in the next 100 years.


And there's where you go & blow it. You keep coming back to your "global
warming is nonsense" tirade. Even if you believe that, you don't have to
polarize the issues by banging people over the head with it.

It's like this. There may, or may not, be an absolute truth to many great
dilemmas. Doesn't matter. Within the decision made, you can still do the
best you can to make the world just a little bit better place, even if you
don't agree with the reasons for doing so. A "wrong" reason for doing
something may still create a better world. In your case, you just have to
accept the fact that you, and a handful of other people, believe everyone
else is wrong. Get over it. You're not going to change their minds. But you
can, within the framework that they create, try and make things the best
they can be.

Too bad I don't drink; I might then be able to understand what I wrote.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
 
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
>> Just so you understand what's going on here - if we used 100% of the corn
>> crop we produce, it could only replace 12% of the petroleum we use.

>
> Agreed. It's a terribly inefficient use of resources. And you skipped an
> easy target, too. Shame on you. How could you pass up those full-page ads
> Clinton ran a while back, talking about how great Brazil was because they
> were producing so much gas from ethanol? Never mind that they're using
> land made available through the destruction of their rain forrests,
> something the world is badly in need of.


I find it curious that someone as obviously intelligent as you is so easily
misled. Here's a clue - if you had ACTUALLY read the Duelfer report instead
of pretending to read it by quoting a paragraph from the summary, you'd have
actually learned the truth. But that was too much trouble since you could
more easily parrot Al Gore.

You can do a Google search and hit a thousand sites telling you what a
horrible loss of rainforest we're seeing. The problem is that most of it is
lies and distortions. (Worldwatch reported that Canada was losing 200,000
hectares of forest a year - fact is that Canada is GAINING 176,000 hectares
annually). One Green Group tells us that there are only 2 billion hectares
of rain forest in the world and that 16 million of them are being lost each
year.

"Rainforests once covered 14% of the earth's land surface; now they cover a
mere 6% and experts estimate that the last remaining rainforests could be
consumed in less than 40 years." (by the way - this group blames part of the
destruction of rainforsest on - you guessed it - oil companies searching for
oil).

Want some truth (you can't handle the truth!) - Landsat satellite surveys of
rainforest show that 87.5% of rain forests are intact and of the other 12.5%
half of it is regenerating itself. 94% of the Amazon rain forest is
pristine.

Patrick Moore, a founding member of Greenpeace, says "the rainforests of the
Amazon, Congo, Malasia, and Indonesia, ... are the least endangered forests
[because] they are the least suitable for human habitation." Why do you
suppose Patrick Moore quit Greenpeace?

Because they lie to people like you who. like, really want to be hip and
cool and, like, be really environmentally concious. It's, like, too bad
you're actually unconcious.

The researchers also looked into claims about 50,000 species going extinct
each year in the rainforest. And what did they find? Well, when they asked a
member of Rainforest Relief to produce even one species that has gone
extinct, the individual replied "No we cannot, because we don't know what
those species are." Apparently, the extinction statistics are generated by a
computer at Harvard University and may, in fact, carry no more semblance to
reality than "electrons on a hard drive."

What is plain is that most of the people here want to seem to act young - to
be college minded indiciduals from the 60's instead of adults. And so we see
the results - global warming is SO IMPORTANT. Too bad no one cares that it's
all a hoax, just as Global Cooling was in the 70's.

Here's something worth reading so I don't suppose anyone here will:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19625
 
> I find it curious that someone as obviously intelligent as you is so
> easily misled. Here's a clue - if you had ACTUALLY read the Duelfer report
> instead of pretending to read it by quoting a paragraph from the summary,
> you'd have actually learned the truth. But that was too much trouble since
> you could more easily parrot Al Gore.


I didn't pretend to read anything. I went to the CIA website and read maybe
6 or 7 various papers on the subject. It's very easy to do... you ought to
try it yourself. Fortunately, the CIA is a bit more credible than many
think, and doesn't just print the stuff that supports their own agenda.

> Here's something worth reading so I don't suppose anyone here will:
> http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19625

=============
"Global warming" is the left's pagan rage against mankind. If we can't
produce industrial waste, then we can't produce. Some of us -- not the ones
with mansions in Malibu and Nashville is my guess -- are going to have to
die. To say we need to reduce our energy consumption is like saying we need
to reduce our oxygen consumption.
=============

You're making your case by quoting Ann Coulter?

"To say we need to reduce our energy consumption is like saying we need to
reduce our oxygen consumption."

Even the conservatives get a good laugh from Ms Coulter. Hopefully that's
why you put that link in.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
 
On Feb 28, 7:22 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> Here's something worth reading so I don't suppose anyone here will:http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19625


Oh my God he's getting all this stuff from Ann Coulter.

Should have known.

What is this: "Nyah, nyah, made you read"? Did you expect some osmosis
to occur, TK? Post a Coulter Warning next time, please. Well, got my
dose for the year, early.

"Liberals are already comfortably ensconced in their beachfront
estates, which they expect to be unaffected by their negative growth
prescriptions for the rest of us."

And so forth. Class warfare, the usual hatred and scare tactic stuff:
"Liberals don't know how the world works". "Liberals want to starve
humanity". "Stalin and ****** were Liberals". (Whoa, there, big fella:
Just proving I really read it, TK!)

She really is wacko, and proud of it, too. Well, birds of a feather! --
D-y
 
On Feb 28, 3:36 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> The ethanol industry in this country is presently using some 15% of the corn
> crop. This is the corn that's been feeding the third world and already food
> prices of corn products have taken a large jump up. President Bush has tried
> to sooth the Liberals/Lunatic Environmentalists by claiming that we're going
> to replace 20% of our present petroleum with ethanol.
>


Our subsidized industrial agriculture puts third world
farmers out of work by undercutting them. This is
actually extremely destructive and contributes to
farm abandonment, out of control slum urbanization,
and poverty in the developing world. Brief mention
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy

Find another argument.

Ben
 
On 2/28/07 8:36 PM, in article
[email protected], "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Feb 28, 7:22 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> Here's something worth reading so I don't suppose anyone here
>> will:http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19625

>
> Oh my God he's getting all this stuff from Ann Coulter.
>
> Should have known.
>
> What is this: "Nyah, nyah, made you read"? Did you expect some osmosis
> to occur, TK? Post a Coulter Warning next time, please. Well, got my
> dose for the year, early.
>
> "Liberals are already comfortably ensconced in their beachfront
> estates, which they expect to be unaffected by their negative growth
> prescriptions for the rest of us."
>
> And so forth. Class warfare, the usual hatred and scare tactic stuff:
> "Liberals don't know how the world works". "Liberals want to starve
> humanity". "Stalin and ****** were Liberals". (Whoa, there, big fella:
> Just proving I really read it, TK!)
>
> She really is wacko, and proud of it, too. Well, birds of a feather! --
> D-y
>
>
>
>


What part of the actual text about the economics of how these "greenie"
changes affect our economy do you not agree with??
 
"ST" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:C20BA00B.209DE1%[email protected]...
> On 2/28/07 8:36 PM, in article
>
> What part of the actual text about the economics of how these "greenie"
> changes affect our economy do you not agree with??


The part that challenges his intellect - the first word.
 
On Feb 28, 8:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Our subsidized industrial agriculture puts third world
> farmers out of work by undercutting them. This is
> actually extremely destructive and contributes to
> farm abandonment, out of control slum urbanization,
> and poverty in the developing world. Brief mention
> here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy


Are you trying to say guvmint interference in the economy may not
always have "good effects?!"

I'm savoring this moment. It is these little glimmers that give me
hope. I probably should not have told you that.
 
"SLAVE of THE STATE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 28, 8:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Our subsidized industrial agriculture puts third world
>> farmers out of work by undercutting them. This is
>> actually extremely destructive and contributes to
>> farm abandonment, out of control slum urbanization,
>> and poverty in the developing world. Brief mention
>> here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy

>
> Are you trying to say guvmint interference in the economy may not
> always have "good effects?!"
>
> I'm savoring this moment. It is these little glimmers that give me
> hope. I probably should not have told you that.


That isn't a glimmer - it's a fizzle.
 
On Mar 1, 11:11 am, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 8:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Our subsidized industrial agriculture puts third world
> > farmers out of work by undercutting them. This is
> > actually extremely destructive and contributes to
> > farm abandonment, out of control slum urbanization,
> > and poverty in the developing world. Brief mention
> > here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy

>
> Are you trying to say guvmint interference in the economy may not
> always have "good effects?!"


Da, Tovarisch. It's well known that as part of our
Five Year Plan, every year we comrades are privileged
to spend a week in the country working on the collective
farms in support of Socialist Agriculture. It's less
well known that we are also required to spend a week
in selfcritical exercise where we explore the implications
of unplanned so-called market interventions in our
ideological state apparatuses (for the Seinfeldniki,
we call this "Bizarro S.S.R.")

During this period, we are allowed to think heretical
thoughts about agricultural subsidies from First World
governments to wealthy farming conglomerates. But
after it, we purge ourselves of unclean thoughts and
go back to eating Fidel Chex from Whole Foods while
listening to NPR, and watching the Macneil/Lehrer
Newshour, sponsored by ADM, Supermarket to the World.

WOTWU,
Ben

> I'm savoring this moment. It is these little glimmers that give me
> hope. I probably should not have told you that.
 
On Mar 1, 6:27 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> During this period, we are allowed to think heretical
> thoughts about agricultural subsidies from First World
> governments to wealthy farming conglomerates.


"Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our enemies have
guns, so why would we let them have ideas?" -- Stalin.
 
SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our enemies have
> guns, so why would we let them have ideas?" -- Stalin.


Who would have thought that Stalin would have been able to quote an
American like Benjamin Franklin.
 
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:57:57 +0200, Donald Munro
<[email protected]> wrote:

>SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>> "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our enemies have
>> guns, so why would we let them have ideas?" -- Stalin.

>
>Who would have thought that Stalin would have been able to quote an
>American like Benjamin Franklin.
>

Benjamin was heavily influenced by the French in his later life. It
was a short jump from libertarian to libertine, at which point he
said, "Screw politics, let them eat cake." You can look it up.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...