OT: "eBay Safeharbor Department Notice"?

[Colin Blackburn]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:16:32 +0100, Dr Curious <[email protected]>
wrote:

> www stands for world wide web.
>
> A large virtual directory.
>
> mydomain.com is a directory within the www virtual directory.

So when there is a web page, say, http://news.bbc.co.uk/ that lives
outside of this web directory does it?

> Yes you can use file transfer protocols. The addresses start FTTP: If
> you've any sense you'll protect your main directory with a password.
>
> Hackers are always looking to break those passwords.
>
> ...
>
> Provide me with evidence of one file naming protocol which doesn't
> read from left to right, and I'll do you the courtesy of assuming
> you've got the faintest isdea of what you're talking about.
>
> hint: all electronic information is stored in directory structures.

Fropm time to time I mark the exam scripts of students (not Durham ones)
who clearly haven't attended or taken notice of the course. This is the
sort of answer I have to read through.

Colin

 

[Clive George]

"Dr Curious" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> > Describe to me what www.mydomain.com actually means: Is it that mydomain
> is
> > a subdirectory of www, or that www is a name/machine on mydomain?
>
> ...
>
> www stands for world wide web.
>
> A large virtual directory.
>
> mydomain.com is a directory within the www virtual directory.

According to your description, is .com a directory within the mydomain
directory?

If not, why not?

cheers,
clive

 

[Dr Curious]

"Colin Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:16:32 +0100, Dr Curious <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > www stands for world wide web.
> >
> > A large virtual directory.
> >
> > mydomain.com is a directory within the www virtual directory.
>
> So when there is a web page, say, http://news.bbc.co.uk/ that lives
> outside of this web directory does it?

....

No that's part of the world wide web. Every page you can call up
using http protocols is part of the world wide web.

Are you denying that?

....
>
> > Yes you can use file transfer protocols. The addresses start FTTP: If
> > you've any sense you'll protect your main directory with a password.
> >
> > Hackers are always looking to break those passwords.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Provide me with evidence of one file naming protocol which doesn't
> > read from left to right, and I'll do you the courtesy of assuming
> > you've got the faintest isdea of what you're talking about.
> >
> > hint: all electronic information is stored in directory structures.
>
> Fropm time to time I mark the exam scripts of students (not Durham ones)
> who clearly haven't attended or taken notice of the course. This is the
> sort of answer I have to read through.

....

Poor old you eh? My heart bleeds it really does !

However, before you finally decide to finish yourself off, it might help
if instead of hinting just how clever you are, what with the Universtity
of Durham address and the throwaway remarks about exam scripts and students
etc. you actually made a factual point of some kind.


Curious





>
> Colin

 

[Colin Blackburn]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:23:45 +0100, Mike K Smith <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Colin Blackburn wrote:
>
>> So, from my address, the whole of the uk network is a subdirectory of
>> the
>> academic network which is in turn a subdirectoy of the Durham network,
>> is
>> it?
>
> <oldfart>
> I can remember when it was the other way around.

So can I. I remember having some very oddly addressed mail to get btween
the uk.. and the ..world systems

> </oldfart>

Colin

 

[Dr Curious]

"Clive George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Dr Curious" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Describe to me what www.mydomain.com actually means: Is it that
mydomain
> > is
> > > a subdirectory of www, or that www is a name/machine on mydomain?
> >
> > ...
> >
> > www stands for world wide web.
> >
> > A large virtual directory.
> >
> > mydomain.com is a directory within the www virtual directory.
>
> According to your description, is .com a directory within the mydomain
> directory?
>
> If not, why not?

....

Being positioned to the right is a necessary condition of being
subordinate in the directory hiearchy, but not a sufficent condition.

In other words it might be deemed possible, if not practical for
directory names to include fulls stops ".", strokes"/", "|", but
it would never be practical for directory hierearchies to be read
off from the left.


Curious










>
> cheers,
> clive
>
>
>

 

[Colin Blackburn]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:45:24 +0100, Dr Curious <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> "Colin Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...

>> So when there is a web page, say, http://news.bbc.co.uk/ that lives
>> outside of this web directory does it?
>
> ...
>
> No that's part of the world wide web. Every page you can call up
> using http protocols is part of the world wide web.

Eh? Why isn't in the www directory then?

> Are you denying that?

You tell me.

>> Fropm time to time I mark the exam scripts of students (not Durham ones)
>> who clearly haven't attended or taken notice of the course. This is the
>> sort of answer I have to read through.
>
> ...
>
> Poor old you eh? My heart bleeds it really does !
>
> However, before you finally decide to finish yourself off, it might help
> if instead of hinting just how clever you are, what with the Universtity
> of Durham address and the throwaway remarks about exam scripts and
> students
> etc. you actually made a factual point of some kind.

The factual point is you are talking absolute sh*te with the odd correct
fact thrown in but so wildly out of context that it looks like sh*te too.

A domain name, durham.ac.uk, is not a directory structure. A domain name,
dur.ac.uk, is not part of a big virtual www directory---whatever that
might be.

You are funny though.

Colin

 

[John Hearns]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:23:45 +0100, Mike K Smith wrote:

>
> <oldfart>
> I can remember when it was the other way around.
> Time was when uk.ac.durham was part of the natural order of things. We had
> proper network protocols in those days, none of yer American stuff. The
Ah, the coloured books.
I was an HEP student when these were in use.


>
> Mike (wondering which colour of book would have been used to specify HTTP)
Yellow Book? It was invented at CERN after all.
(to explain, CERN preprints have yellow covers, and are called yellow
books)

 

[Eugenio Mastroviti]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:24:07 +0100, Dr Curious wrote:

> Everything to do with IT is organised into directories.

Is it?

Blimey.

Imagine the surprise on the faces of the IETF members when they find out.

Eugenio

 

[Eugenio Mastroviti]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:38:10 +0100, Nick Kew wrote:


> If your "statistics" say <1%, that'll be showing 90% of Linux users as
> Windows users, because they bought a machine with Windows preinstalled
> (and didn't have the option to get it without).

True. I *think* I've seen stats not based on sales data (e.g. "which OS do
you use most of the time?) and they told a similar story, but I can't
honestly remember how old they were and where I found them. Might have
been FUD, mind you.

> Oh, and on a pedantic point, that's not a Linux commandline; it's any
> system with a shell. So that includes virtually every OS out there.
> Even windows with cygwin.

Point taken.

Eugenio

 

[Dr Curious]

"Colin Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:45:24 +0100, Dr Curious <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Colin Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news[email protected]...
>
> >> So when there is a web page, say, http://news.bbc.co.uk/ that lives
> >> outside of this web directory does it?
> >
> > ...
> >
> > No that's part of the world wide web. Every page you can call up
> > using http protocols is part of the world wide web.
>
> Eh? Why isn't in the www directory then?

....

Because its implicit, and because in any case directory makes a good
explanatory metaphor

....

>
> > Are you denying that?
>
> You tell me.

....

You appear to be.

....
>
> >> Fropm time to time I mark the exam scripts of students (not Durham
ones)
> >> who clearly haven't attended or taken notice of the course. This is
the
> >> sort of answer I have to read through.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Poor old you eh? My heart bleeds it really does !
> >
> > However, before you finally decide to finish yourself off, it might
help
> > if instead of hinting just how clever you are, what with the
Universtity
> > of Durham address and the throwaway remarks about exam scripts and
> > students
> > etc. you actually made a factual point of some kind.
>
> The factual point is you are talking absolute sh*te with the odd correct
> fact thrown in but so wildly out of context that it looks like sh*te too.

....

No. That's not a factual point.

That's a matter of opinion which you haven't sought to substantiate
in any way.

One might have expected better. But no matter.

....
>
> A domain name, durham.ac.uk, is not a directory structure. A domain name,
> dur.ac.uk, is not part of a big virtual www directory---whatever that
> might be.
>
> You are funny though.


Oh right. So you've got a Doctorate in Humour Appreciation too.

Durham.ac.uk is a domain name which automatically defaults

to durham.ac.uk\index which is a directory.

is this true or false?

If I fttp'd fttp:durham.ac.uk\index (or whatever and being in possesion
of the approprate password )that's what I'd be faced with.

A directory

is this true or false ?


Curious


>
> Colin

 

[Alan Braggins]

In article <[email protected]>, Dr Curious wrote:
>
>You cannot be serious! www is the world wide web! The virtual
>directory which holds all the domain names.

Is there a level of cluelessness that can only be explained by
deliberate trolling, and if so, has this crossed that level?

 

[Colin Blackburn]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:10:07 +0100, Dr Curious <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Oh right. So you've got a Doctorate in Humour Appreciation too.

Too? Idon't have a doctorate at all. I've never claimed to have one.

> Durham.ac.uk is a domain name which automatically defaults
>
> to durham.ac.uk\index which is a directory.
>
> is this true or false?

False.

"""
The requested URL could not be retrieved

While trying to retrieve the URL: http://durham.ac.uk/

The following error was encountered:
Unable to determine IP address from host name for durham.ac.uk

The dnsserver returned:
No DNS records
"""

> If I fttp'd fttp:durham.ac.uk\index (or whatever and being in possesion
> of the approprate password )that's what I'd be faced with.
>
> A directory
>
> is this true or false ?

False. I'd like to see you fttp anywhere.

Colin

 

[John Hearns]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:10:07 +0100, Dr Curious wrote:

>
> Durham.ac.uk is a domain name which automatically defaults
>
> to durham.ac.uk\index which is a directory.
>
> is this true or false?

You misunderstand how the "automatically defaults" step takes place.
This is a function of the webserver software running on the host.

The user (or rather the user's web browser) makes a request to
the host whose name is www.durham.ac.uk
The Domain Name System (a heirarchical system for distributing information
on IP number to hostname matches) is consulted.
The browser makes a request on port 80, the 'well known' port for
HTTP requests.

Now, by default if no filename is given in the request the webserver
returns the file index.html
It could just as easily return foofar.html
Its just a convention which was made when th first webserver was written.

 

[Colin Blackburn]

On 07 Jul 2004 15:18:09 +0100 (BST), Alan Braggins
<[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Dr Curious wrote:
>>
>> You cannot be serious! www is the world wide web! The virtual
>> directory which holds all the domain names.
>
> Is there a level of cluelessness that can only be explained by
> deliberate trolling, and if so, has this crossed that level?

Possibly, or some really clever meta-analysis of cyberspace.

Colin

 

[Steve Peake]

On 07 Jul 2004 15:18:09 +0100 (BST), Alan Braggins wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Dr Curious wrote:
>>
>>You cannot be serious! www is the world wide web! The virtual
>>directory which holds all the domain names.
>
> Is there a level of cluelessness that can only be explained by
> deliberate trolling, and if so, has this crossed that level?

Its Quality trolling,and deserves to be congratulated. I guess quite a few
members of this NG don't get out into the wider would of usenet very often!

Steve

 

[Alan Braggins]

In article <[email protected]>, Dr Curious wrote:
>etc. you actually made a factual point of some kind.

He has. The factual point is that you are completely and utterly wrong
about domain names.

 

[Keith Willoughby]

Eugenio Mastroviti wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:24:07 +0100, Dr Curious wrote:
>
>> Everything to do with IT is organised into directories.
>
> Is it?
>
> Blimey.
>
> Imagine the surprise on the faces of the IETF members when they find out.

I must say, I'm enjoying this thread immensely, although I'm starting to
wonder who is entertaining us with the Dr Curious sockpuppet.

--
Keith Willoughby
Welcome to the police state - http://tinyurl.com/3cptb

 

[Bernard]

"Dr Curious" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Clive George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Dr Curious" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > > Describe to me what www.mydomain.com actually means: Is it that
> mydomain
> > > is
> > > > a subdirectory of www, or that www is a name/machine on mydomain?
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > www stands for world wide web.
> > >
> > > A large virtual directory.
> > >
> > > mydomain.com is a directory within the www virtual directory.
> >
> > According to your description, is .com a directory within the mydomain
> > directory?
> >
> > If not, why not?
>
> ...
>
> Being positioned to the right is a necessary condition of being
> subordinate in the directory hiearchy, but not a sufficent condition.
>
> In other words it might be deemed possible, if not practical for
> directory names to include fulls stops ".", strokes"/", "|", but
> it would never be practical for directory hierearchies to be read
> off from the left.
How about bringing some independent sources of information into the
discussion.

Try
http://www.ccsn.nevada.edu/cg/html/faqs/read_webaddress.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/2pkvh a google search where I found the above.

Regards

Bernard

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, Pete Biggs
('ppear{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc') wrote:

> I've just received an email asking me to "verify" my "personal
> information" because "you or someone else had used your identity to
> make false purchases on eBay...".
>
> Is this likely to be genuine, and genuinely from eBay, or is it a scam
> from someone disguising themself as eBay to nick IDs and passwords?

No, it's phishing. Ebay have a special email address to send phishing
scams to, <URL:mailto:[email protected]>. More information here:
<URL:http://pages.ebay.co.uk/education/spooftutorial/index.html>

I've seen some very sophisticated phishing attempts recently, mainly
directed against Lllllloyds TSB customers. Take care and *never* trust
an email claiming to come from your bank or building society which asks
you to 'confirm' your password - they will *never* ask you to do this.
If in any doubt phone them up.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

my other car is #<Subr-Car: #5d480>
;; This joke is not funny in emacs.

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, Nick Kew
('[email protected]') wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Pete Biggs" <ppear{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> writes:
>
>> The link I've been asked to click takes me to:
>
> If you (or anyone) visited that with a Micros**t so-called browser,
> your next port of call should be one of the many pages explaining
> what it may have left behind. For example,
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/30/ie_malware_attack/
>
> In fact, even if you didn't visit a link that's known to be malicious,
> you should still read the above. Large numbers of IIS servers are
> passive vectors for it. And since IIS has about a 20% market share,
> the statistical chances of having visited some of them are high.

It's amusing to note that the US Dept of Homeland Security now
recommends that you not use Internet Explorer. They're right, of
course.
<URL:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&e=3&u=/cmp/20040702/tc_cmp/22103407>

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for
murther
-- Roburt Burns, 'Thanksgiving For a National Victory'