OT: "eBay Safeharbor Department Notice"?



Simon Brooke [email protected] opined the following...
> It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion, isn't it? You know you
> shouldn't enjoy it, but there's a macabre fascination in seeing how
> many bizarre misconceptions someone who is clearly able to access the
> Internet can have about how it works...

Agreed. It's a good job I'm reading this at home not at work. I suspect
I'd have to explain myself if I was crying with laughter.

> Is there _anything_ he's incapable of misunderstanding? Is there _no_
> limit to his ego?

Not sure. Let's try him on IRC. Or should that be IRRC or IRTC? A wiser
man than I once uttered something about a little knowledge being a
dangerous thing.

Jon
 
Eugenio Mastroviti [email protected] opined the following...
> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:51:04 +0100, Dr Curious wrote:
>
> > <quote>
> >
> > I'm not quite clear on what you mean by "you can't link directly").
> > "www" in "www.ebay.com" is a subdomain of the domain "ebay.com".
> >
> > </quote>
> >
> > So did you post the above statement or nor Eugenio ?
>
> Er, yes.
>
> And now you'll kindly point out where it's wrong, so that I can correct
> the DNS tables for the about 1000 domains the DNS I manage serves.

But you are clearly wrong... "ebay.com" is a directory of "www" (Hosted
on the multi-terabyte "www" server! Within the directory "ebay" you'll
find a sub-directory "com". Duh!

What did you think the internet was? A robust network of servers with
each taking control of their own portion of the data? It's all really
one whopping computer serving all of that "web".

Jon
 
"Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> in message <[email protected]>, Dr Curious
> ('[email protected]') wrote:
>
> > "Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> OH FOR ****'S SAKE WILL PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANT JUST SHUT
> >> UP! It's amazing how much _total_ _bollocks_ gets spouted on this
> >> froup (and others) when anything gets onto matters of the basic
> >> technology of the network we all use!
> >>
> > Can I suggest you get a little less excited and to understand that
> > what's under discussion here are http adresses in general and not
> > simply domain names per se? So that if we look at -
> >
> > http://www.dur.ac.uk/Alumni/index.php3
> >
> > without trying your pateiece too much - as we don't want you launcing
> > off on another fit of CAPITAL LETTERS now do we ? are you denying
> > that Alumni in this instance is a subdirectory of dur.ac.uk ?
>
> Alumni is most certainly not a subdirectory of dur.ac.uk.

....

O.k then.

So linking off of the durham university home page at

http://www.dur.ac.uk/index.htm

we have the following all of which presumably are linked to
both html and graphic files. And presumably it would be sensible
to store those files in individual directories.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/admissions/prospectus/Xcontactform.php

http://www.dur.ac.uk/infoserv.htm

http://www.dur.ac.uk/library/

http://www.dur.ac.uk/search/input.htm

So how precisely are those directories stored on the server?

They're not themselves stored in a directory then?

....

>
> So, in summary, there may or may not be a directory called 'Alumni' and
> without access to the configuration of the machines at addresses
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> www.dur.ac.uk. 79950 IN A 129.234.4.193
> www.dur.ac.uk. 79950 IN A 129.234.4.194
> www.dur.ac.uk. 79950 IN A 129.234.4.197
>
> we have no means of knowing.

....

But the alumni home page contains links to the following pages
among many others.

How do you suggest those pages in the form of html, images etc are stored
if not in subdirectories of the Alumni directory ?

http://www.dur.ac.uk/Alumni/assoc/

http://www.dur.ac.uk/Alumni/events/

http://www.dur.ac.uk/Alumni/intouch/

http://www.dur.ac.uk/Alumni/pubs/


Curious



> [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
> "This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
> not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
> to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
> -- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair
>
 
Dr. Curious dribbled over the keyboard and typed the following:
> Indeed
>
> The basic structure of a URL is hierarchical. Unlike the hierarchy
> of a Web Address (which is read from right to left),
> the hierarchy of a URL moves from left to right:

A "Web Address" is a URL. To put it in computing / mathematical terms;

The set of URLs contains the set of "Web Addresses". Any rules which
apply to URLs also apply to Web Addresses.

Unless you are trying to appear daft I would strongly suggest you take
time out to learn about the internet, URLs and protocols. When you have
managed DNS, FTP or web servers as many here have, you might be in a
better position to argue your point. Of course... by then you'll have
realised that you're wrong, but that preconception shouldn't stop you
from taking the time to do some research.

Jon
 
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:34:05 +0100, Jon Senior wrote:

> What did you think the internet was? A robust network of servers with
> each taking control of their own portion of the data? It's all really
> one whopping computer serving all of that "web".

Reading this newsgroup sure is educational. I wonder what people do with
all those "web servers" they buy... it's probably some kind of scam.

Eugenio

--
You do not need a parachute to skydive.
You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
 
"Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> in message <[email protected]>, Dr Curious
> ('[email protected]') wrote:
>
> > Being positioned to the right is a necessary condition of being
> > subordinate in the directory hiearchy, but not a sufficent condition.
> >
> > In other words it might be deemed possible, if not practical for
> > directory names to include fulls stops ".", strokes"/", "|", but
> > it would never be practical for directory hierearchies to be read
> > off from the left.
>
> I know I shouldn't continue to rise to this, but this level of willful
> idiocy surely can't really exist in the real world.

....

No the real idiocy here is your determination to prove how clever
you are by producing reams of what is, to most people at least I would
imagine, incomprehensible gobbledegook. What you seemingly fail
to understand, is that the reason why most normal people take little
or no interest in this material, is not because they're in any way
stupid, as you'd so like to imagine, but simply because its all so
incredibly tedious.

Futhermore you'll be pleased to know that your little lessons are
totally wasted on me. If I want to learn any of this then I'm perfectly
capable of reading up on it for myself from authors whose main intention
is to inform, rather than simply to impress.

< snippedy snip snip snip >

>
> --
> [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
>
> ... a mild, inoffensive sadist...


But alas, so sadly lacking in judgement

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Curious

....


>
 
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:59:10 +0100, Dr Curious wrote:

> Futhermore you'll be pleased to know that your little lessons are
> totally wasted on me.

For some reason, this didn't come as a surprise to me

Eugenio

--
A reactionary is a man whose political opinions always manage to keep
up with yesterday.
 
"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dr. Curious dribbled over the keyboard and typed the following:
> > Indeed
> >
> > The basic structure of a URL is hierarchical. Unlike the hierarchy
> > of a Web Address (which is read from right to left),
> > the hierarchy of a URL moves from left to right:
>
> A "Web Address" is a URL. To put it in computing / mathematical terms;
>
> The set of URLs contains the set of "Web Addresses". Any rules which
> apply to URLs also apply to Web Addresses.
>
> Unless you are trying to appear daft I would strongly suggest you take
> time out to learn about the internet,


Unless you are trying to appear daft I suggest you take a closer look
at the post to which you're responding.

The passage to which you took such exception, was a direct quote
from the cited URL

"Dr Curious" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> > Try
> > http://www.ccsn.nevada.edu/cg/html/faqs/read_webaddress.htm
>
> Indeed
>
> The basic structure of a URL is hierarchical. Unlike the hierarchy
> of a Web Address (which is read from right to left),
> the hierarchy of a URL moves from left to right:
>


If you have any problems with it, I can only suggest you contact the
Nevada Institute of Education or whatever it is, and raise your concerns
with them.


Curious

>
> Jon
 
"Eugenio Mastroviti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:59:10 +0100, Dr Curious wrote:
>
> > Futhermore you'll be pleased to know that your little lessons are
> > totally wasted on me.
>
> For some reason, this didn't come as a surprise to me


Yes I'm glad you agree.

They were fairly incomprehensible weren't they?

Seemingly intended simply to impress, rather than to inform.

Such a waste of effort.



Curious




>
> Eugenio
>
> --
> A reactionary is a man whose political opinions always manage to keep
> up with yesterday.
>
 
in message <[email protected]>, Dr Curious
('[email protected]') wrote:

> "Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> in message <[email protected]>, Dr Curious
>> ('[email protected]') wrote:
>>
>> > Can I suggest you get a little less excited and to understand that
>> > what's under discussion here are http adresses in general and not
>> > simply domain names per se? So that if we look at -
>> >
>> > http://www.dur.ac.uk/Alumni/index.php3
>> >
>> > without trying your pateiece too much - as we don't want you
>> > launcing
>> > off on another fit of CAPITAL LETTERS now do we ? are you denying
>> > that Alumni in this instance is a subdirectory of dur.ac.uk ?
>>
>> Alumni is most certainly not a subdirectory of dur.ac.uk.
>
> They're not themselves stored in a directory then?

They may well be stored in a directory; it's probable. That directory
may well be mirrored onto each of the machines that serve
www.dur.ac.uk; that's probable too (although there are otehr
psoobilities). If so, these mirrors will be (in normal terms and
ignoring some technicalities) subdirectories of the root directories on
those machines. They're still not subdirectories of dur.ac.uk, since,
as I said before, dur.ac.uk is not a directory.

--
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Iraq war: it's time for regime change...
... go now, Tony, while you can still go with dignity.
 
"Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> in message <[email protected]>, Dr Curious
> ('[email protected]') wrote:
>
> > Futhermore you'll be pleased to know that your little lessons are
> > totally wasted on me.
>
> Dear boy, you've made that _abundantly_ clear.


Its just such a pity you weren't sufficiently perspicacious to
recognise that fact, before putting yourself to so much trouble
really isn't it?


> Indeed I'm sure _everyone's_ are.


Now now, there's no reason to give way to bitterness.

You really are prey to your emotions at times aren't you?

And on usenet of all places!


Curious


>
> --
> [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> Morning had broken. I found a rather battered tube of Araldite
> resin in the bottom of the toolbag.
 
Dr Curious [email protected] opined the following...
> Unless you are trying to appear daft I suggest you take a closer look
> at the post to which you're responding.

Have done. When quoting, use quotation marks, or type "<quote> [quoted
text] </quote>" or in fact, try anything which distinguishes what _you_
say from what _they_ say.

> The passage to which you took such exception, was a direct quote
> from the cited URL

Granted... it's still wrong though. Actually, in the context of the rest
of the article it's just misleading.

From the same page (A few lines from where you quoted):

"Actually, since the combination of the sub-domain(s), second-level
domain, and top-level domain is simply called the "Domain Name,"
(commonly known as a Web Address)"

So having claimed that a Web Address is different to a URL ("Unlike the
hierarchy of a Web Address"), they proceed to say that they are one and
the same.

Again... Web Addresses are a subset of URLs. Specifically; that subset
which uses the HTTP. Since a Web Address need not use a domain name (My
recumbent pages can be found at http://82.69.34.17) the definition that
they provide for a web address is at best misleading, and at worst,
completely false.

> If you have any problems with it, I can only suggest you contact the
> Nevada Institute of Education or whatever it is, and raise your concerns
> with them.

I shall do. Thank you.

Jon
 
"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dr Curious [email protected] opined the following...
> > Unless you are trying to appear daft I suggest you take a closer look
> > at the post to which you're responding.
>
> Have done. When quoting, use quotation marks, or type "<quote> [quoted
> text] </quote>" or in fact, try anything which distinguishes what _you_
> say from what _they_ say.


I normally do, as you may have noted. The only reason the quotes were
omitted in that case, was that that post was solely in response to
Bernard's suggestion of trying those particular URL's. Rather than
in response to any particular point.


Curious


>
> > The passage to which you took such exception, was a direct quote
> > from the cited URL
>
> Granted... it's still wrong though. Actually, in the context of the rest
> of the article it's just misleading.
>
> From the same page (A few lines from where you quoted):
>
> "Actually, since the combination of the sub-domain(s), second-level
> domain, and top-level domain is simply called the "Domain Name,"
> (commonly known as a Web Address)"
>
> So having claimed that a Web Address is different to a URL ("Unlike the
> hierarchy of a Web Address"), they proceed to say that they are one and
> the same.
>
> Again... Web Addresses are a subset of URLs. Specifically; that subset
> which uses the HTTP. Since a Web Address need not use a domain name (My
> recumbent pages can be found at http://82.69.34.17) the definition that
> they provide for a web address is at best misleading, and at worst,
> completely false.
>
> > If you have any problems with it, I can only suggest you contact the
> > Nevada Institute of Education or whatever it is, and raise your
concerns
> > with them.
>
> I shall do. Thank you.
>
> Jon
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:14:24 +0100, "Clive George"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Dr Curious" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> > (btw what does fttp stand for?)
>>
>> why not try yohtmtoyh ?
>
>Eh? google and acronym finder don't know anything about this.

You obviously have too much time on your hands.

--
Dave...

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain
 
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:38:58 +0100, in
<[email protected]>, Eugenio Mastroviti
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:29:45 +0100, Mark Tranchant wrote:
>
>> mark@mauve:~$ dig -x 68.213.208.2
>
>Makes me wonder...
>
>is there a relationship between Linux/*nix and cycling?

It's worse than that: Windows users run Shimano. *nix users run
Campag.

MacOS users run erm erm ?

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YAWN! I've got a bicycle. I ride it sometimes.

Oh, ****, sorry, wrong newsgroup. I meant to post this to
uk.rec.cycling

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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:18:46 +0100, "Dr Curious"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Dr. Curious dribbled over the keyboard and typed the following:
>> > Indeed
>> >
>> > The basic structure of a URL is hierarchical. Unlike the hierarchy
>> > of a Web Address (which is read from right to left),
>> > the hierarchy of a URL moves from left to right:
>>
>> A "Web Address" is a URL. To put it in computing / mathematical terms;
>>
>> The set of URLs contains the set of "Web Addresses". Any rules which
>> apply to URLs also apply to Web Addresses.
>>
>> Unless you are trying to appear daft I would strongly suggest you take
>> time out to learn about the internet,
>
>
>Unless you are trying to appear daft I suggest you take a closer look
>at the post to which you're responding.
>
>The passage to which you took such exception, was a direct quote
>from the cited URL

Yes, and you've misunderstood it although you even copied the words
"Unlike the hierarchy of a Web Address (which is read from right to
left)".

The hierarchy of a URL is left to right. Within that left to right
hierarchy is the domain name. The hierarchy of the domain name is
right to left.

--
Dave...

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain
 
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:30:53 +0100, Keith Willoughby
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Eugenio Mastroviti wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:24:07 +0100, Dr Curious wrote:
>>
>>> Everything to do with IT is organised into directories.
>>
>> Is it?
>>
>> Blimey.
>>
>> Imagine the surprise on the faces of the IETF members when they find out.
>
>I must say, I'm enjoying this thread immensely, although I'm starting to
>wonder who is entertaining us with the Dr Curious sockpuppet.

Agreed. It has to be a wind up.

--
Dave...

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain
 
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