OT - I'm disgusted!



> Dave, yes you can buy cheaper computers, unfortunately you can't buy
> good cheaper computers. We are an IT company and we assemble computers
> for our clients. We only use Intel processors and Intel motherboards
> with quality cases.
>
> We pay around $110 wholesale for a minitower with a 400 W power
> supply. I've had a 400 W minitower case offered to me for $30. We
> don't buy them, guess why?
>
> We haven't used an AMD processor in our first 14 years of operation.
>
> Theo


The issue is not AMD itself. Its because people that go AMD because
it is cheap also buy their other components because they are cheap.
If you build an Intel computer cheaply you have the same problem.

Eric
 
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:31:46 +1100, GPLama wrote:

> people pay money for AMD? and use them for business!?!? ;)


Absolutely.

A few high-end servers coming out now with AMD's Opteron CPUs,
IIRC Sun & HP have machines either announced or out already.

Even on the low-end, you'll get more performance per dollar.

-kt
 
"Eric Witte" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Dave, yes you can buy cheaper computers, unfortunately you can't buy
> > good cheaper computers. We are an IT company and we assemble computers
> > for our clients. We only use Intel processors and Intel motherboards
> > with quality cases.
> >
> > We pay around $110 wholesale for a minitower with a 400 W power
> > supply. I've had a 400 W minitower case offered to me for $30. We
> > don't buy them, guess why?
> >
> > We haven't used an AMD processor in our first 14 years of operation.
> >
> > Theo

>
> The issue is not AMD itself. Its because people that go AMD because
> it is cheap also buy their other components because they are cheap.
> If you build an Intel computer cheaply you have the same problem.
>
> Eric


This is dead right. You have hit the nail on the head.

However I chose AMD for this particular machine for a reason at the time but
also chose high quality components. The cost had nothing to do with it.
Infact the motherboard I wanted was more expensive than I would have paid if
it were intel.
 
"dave" wrote

> Well after 10 years as a tech.. I know whats good .. whats ok and

whats
> rubbish..


Oh, a pissing contest. Cool! I was also a tech, though I'm not now. I
installed my first mainframe in 1968. There were four computers in
Perth at the time. I'm now the Admin manager of a computer company
with 20 empoyees, including 8 techs, called Bekkers. Our anual
turnover is $4M. Bekkers also happens to be my surname.

Your turn. :)

> THis stuff is ok. The cases actually fairly good.. The power

supplies
> ok.. would personly like another fan but none of em have failed in
> service and we have lots


I was just trying to point out that computers can be made cheap or
good. Rarely both. Price is not an indication of good.

Theo
 
i hereby pronounce Theo the winner :)

(bekkers; anagram of 'beekr' fro the muppets???)

sadly, you will still use powerpoint, but that's another story...



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"Theo Bekkers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "dave" wrote
>
> > Well after 10 years as a tech.. I know whats good .. whats ok and

> whats
> > rubbish..

>
> Oh, a pissing contest. Cool! I was also a tech, though I'm not now. I
> installed my first mainframe in 1968. There were four computers in
> Perth at the time. I'm now the Admin manager of a computer company
> with 20 empoyees, including 8 techs, called Bekkers. Our anual
> turnover is $4M. Bekkers also happens to be my surname.
>
> Your turn. :)


I cannot see how this is a pissing competition. I think Dave and myself
were only expressing our experiences. I was merely saying I have used both
processors and in extremely demanding situations.

I have seen horrific Intel based machines and horrific AMD based machines.
It usually comes down to the components surrounding them. Both processors
are very sound IMHO and the decision to use one over the other is a comfort
level thing. As a small business like yours (granted not a 2 man show but
still considered small) I can see why it makes business sense to advertise
that you only deal in INTEL.

Reasons include that a lot of companies will only supply HP/Compaq (and
companies like mine that ONLY buy HP for some crazy reason and would never
consider buiying from small business). The decisions made by the end
customer are usually managers and are not as tech savvy as the people that
use them. Words like IBM or INTEL or HP impress over lesser known companies
regardless of the quality of their internals. People say INTEL and they
think "yeah I have heard of that". I am not saying that this is the case
with your customers but if you are selling to larger business then this is
what you are faced with. Marketing are constantly pushing for bells and
whistles to impress managers of large multi-national businesses.

Another reason is that if you have always dealt in INTEL and it hasnt let
you down then the old adage "what aint broke dont fix" holds pretty well.
For me, I hand pick all my own components based on the news of the day and
reviews by geeks with far more spare time than me and have never been let
down.

Pete


>
> > THis stuff is ok. The cases actually fairly good.. The power

> supplies
> > ok.. would personly like another fan but none of em have failed in
> > service and we have lots

>
> I was just trying to point out that computers can be made cheap or
> good. Rarely both. Price is not an indication of good.
>
> Theo
>
>
 
and my spanking new G5 would kick all of them :)

but then again if the world ran on Macs, we wouldnt have the need t
employall you guys or be able to distract the virus-creators, no
would we??


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"flyingdutch" wrote

> (bekkers; anagram of 'beekr' fro the muppets???)


You should have recognised it as a Dutch name. :)

Theo
 
"John Doe" wrote

> I have seen horrific Intel based machines and horrific AMD based

machines.
> It usually comes down to the components surrounding them.


Certainly. As I said, if you buy on price only you aren't going to get
the best, or even good, equipment. If you get a quality case, an Intel
processor, and an Intel motherboard, you can't go far wrong. An Intel
processor and this week's 'Special' motherboard can be a problem.

Theo
 
"Theo Bekkers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "John Doe" wrote
>
> > I have seen horrific Intel based machines and horrific AMD based

> machines.
> > It usually comes down to the components surrounding them.

>
> Certainly. As I said, if you buy on price only you aren't going to get
> the best, or even good, equipment. If you get a quality case, an Intel
> processor, and an Intel motherboard, you can't go far wrong. An Intel
> processor and this week's 'Special' motherboard can be a problem.
>
> Theo
>
>


Totally agree.

Pete
 
"flyingdutch" wrote
> Theo is a dutch name???


Quite a common name in Holland. I was referring to Bekkers.

Theo
 
Theo Bekkers wrote:
> "flyingdutch" wrote
> > Theo is a dutch name???

> Quite a common name in Holland. I was referring to Bekkers.
> Theo




Haha. gotcha!!!

heard Dekker more. Theo must be the greek connection...



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> > The issue is not AMD itself. Its because people that go AMD because
> > it is cheap also buy their other components because they are cheap.
> > If you build an Intel computer cheaply you have the same problem.
> >
> > Eric

>
> This is dead right. You have hit the nail on the head.
>
> However I chose AMD for this particular machine for a reason at the time but
> also chose high quality components. The cost had nothing to do with it.
> Infact the motherboard I wanted was more expensive than I would have paid if
> it were intel.


I tend to get MBs around $150. The next upgrade (sometime around this
time next year) will probably be a new socket 939 MB, A64, my current
1GB Mushkin PC3500 and a new video card. Depending on what is out
then. If Prescott is killing A64 by then I'll consider it. If the
performance difference is marginal its the A64.

Eric
 
"flyingdutch" wrote

> Haha. gotcha!!!
>
> heard Dekker more. Theo must be the greek connection...


I believe it's the Geek connection.

Theo the Geek.
 
Theo Bekkers wrote:
> "flyingdutch" wrote
> > Haha. gotcha!!!
> >
> > heard Dekker more. Theo must be the greek connection...

> I believe it's the Geek connection.
> Theo the Geek.



Boom-tsshhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!


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