OT (kind of): Flax seeds for dog treats?



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zxcvbob

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Last time our 70-something pound black labrador was at the vet, the vet
said he should get more oil in his diet for his itchy skin (no hot
spots), and specifically mentioned flax seed oil. I wasn't there, so I
got this information 2nd hand. Otherwise I would have asked the vet.

I've tried giving this dog fish oil capsules and he won't eat them
because they are too much like pills.

I have a big bag of flax seeds that my parents bought at a health food
store a couple of years ago, then they didn't know what to do with them
and gave them to me. Packrat that I am, I still have them. I ground
some up in a coffee grinder yesterday and smelled them, and they are not
the slightest bit rancid.

How much should I give a dog at one time so all the fiber in there
doesn't upset his gut? I tried sprinkling a little ground flax seed on
his food and he didn't like it much. I just moistened about a half a
cup of ground flax seeds with a little bit of water and mixed in enough
peanut butter to make a dough -- as long as I roll the dough balls small
enough that he can tell there's not a pill inside, he really likes them.
I don't wanna give him too many at once. I'm storing the stuff in the
fridge because I know it will get rancid *very* fast once it's been
ground and exposed to air.

Dogs like garlic; is garlic powder good for them? I could mix a little
into the dough. Then maybe our picky boxer would eat them too.

How much ground flax seed would be good in *my* diet?

Thanks, and best regards,
Bob
 
zxcvbob wrote:
>
> How much ground flax seed would be good in *my* diet?

Zero. Same for the dog.

Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
Series Number 58, page 266:

"It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
in the presence of moisture."
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:

> zxcvbob wrote:
> >
> > How much ground flax seed would be good in *my* diet?
>
> Zero. Same for the dog.
>
> Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
> George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
> Series Number 58, page 266:
>
> "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
> press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
> Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
> is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
> the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
> and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
> in the presence of moisture."

English please???

Flax is a good alternative source of EFA's for those of us that can NOT
tolerate fish oil capsules! Those things make me nauseous for hours.

I have Flax seed oil gel caps that I use...

I've been told tho' by holistic practitioners that fresh GROUND flax
seeds are superior.

If you don't crush them, they are pretty much worthless. Recommendation
for an adult human is 1 tbs. per day.

If the average human is 150 lbs., calculate that WAY down for the dog.

I give my dogs grape seed oil instead, or Evening Primrose Oil for pain.
My beloved border collie sprained her back leg a couple of days ago. :-(
Hurts to see her in pain that way, so I've been keeping her inside.
Glucosamine sulfate WITHOUT Chondroitin (dogs cannot digest that stuff!)
at 2 grams per day for a 45 lb. dog, and 1 gram of EPO has helped her
immensely! She's back to fence chasing today with minimal limping. I'll
treat her for 1 week after she recovers.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
Mark Thorson wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>
>>How much ground flax seed would be good in *my* diet?
>
>
> Zero. Same for the dog.
>
> Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
> George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
> Series Number 58, page 266:
>
> "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
> press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
> Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
> is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
> the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
> and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
> in the presence of moisture."


Cool! I can stop taking laetrile and B-17 tonics and just eat flaxseed.

Lima beans also contain linamarin, but I don't care for limas.

I'll be sure not to feed too many flaxseed to my pet cow. Thanks. ;-)

Bob
 
In article <[email protected]>,
zxcvbob <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > zxcvbob wrote:
> >
> >>How much ground flax seed would be good in *my* diet?
> >
> >
> > Zero. Same for the dog.
> >
> > Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
> > George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
> > Series Number 58, page 266:
> >
> > "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
> > press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
> > Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
> > is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
> > the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
> > and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
> > in the presence of moisture."
>
>
> Cool! I can stop taking laetrile and B-17 tonics and just eat flaxseed.
>
> Lima beans also contain linamarin, but I don't care for limas.
>
> I'll be sure not to feed too many flaxseed to my pet cow. Thanks. ;-)
>
> Bob

Mark is just a fountain of useful information isn't he?

But seriously...
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:09:57 -0600, zxcvbob <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Last time our 70-something pound black labrador was at the vet, the vet
>said he should get more oil in his diet for his itchy skin (no hot
>spots), and specifically mentioned flax seed oil. I wasn't there, so I
>got this information 2nd hand. Otherwise I would have asked the vet.
>
>I've tried giving this dog fish oil capsules and he won't eat them
>because they are too much like pills.

When I need to give my dog a pill, I take 1/2 slice of bread, spread
it with peanut butter or cheese whiz or jam, put the pill on the
bread, fold in half, and seal the edges.

Then I toss it in her direction. Works every time.
 
Jo Anne Slaven wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:09:57 -0600, zxcvbob <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Last time our 70-something pound black labrador was at the vet, the vet
>>said he should get more oil in his diet for his itchy skin (no hot
>>spots), and specifically mentioned flax seed oil. I wasn't there, so I
>>got this information 2nd hand. Otherwise I would have asked the vet.
>>
>>I've tried giving this dog fish oil capsules and he won't eat them
>>because they are too much like pills.
>
> When I need to give my dog a pill, I take 1/2 slice of bread, spread
> it with peanut butter or cheese whiz or jam, put the pill on the
> bread, fold in half, and seal the edges.
>
> Then I toss it in her direction. Works every time.

both my dogs have big heads and I have tiny hands so I just shove the pills
right down their throats. They ALWAYS manage to pick them out of whatever i've
hidded them in.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!
 
OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
> > George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
> > Series Number 58, page 266:
> >
> > "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
> > press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
> > Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
> > is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
> > the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
> > and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
> > in the presence of moisture."
>
> English please???

Whole ground flaxseed heap
no good mojo. Saaavvy? :)
 
In article <[email protected]>,
The Bubbo <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jo Anne Slaven wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:09:57 -0600, zxcvbob <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Last time our 70-something pound black labrador was at the vet, the vet
> >>said he should get more oil in his diet for his itchy skin (no hot
> >>spots), and specifically mentioned flax seed oil. I wasn't there, so I
> >>got this information 2nd hand. Otherwise I would have asked the vet.
> >>
> >>I've tried giving this dog fish oil capsules and he won't eat them
> >>because they are too much like pills.
> >
> > When I need to give my dog a pill, I take 1/2 slice of bread, spread
> > it with peanut butter or cheese whiz or jam, put the pill on the
> > bread, fold in half, and seal the edges.
> >
> > Then I toss it in her direction. Works every time.
>
> both my dogs have big heads and I have tiny hands so I just shove the pills
> right down their throats. They ALWAYS manage to pick them out of whatever i've
> hidded them in.

Why don't you just crush the pills?
That's what we do. For liquid caps, we pop them and mix them in a little
bit of cat food.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
> > > George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
> > > Series Number 58, page 266:
> > >
> > > "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
> > > press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
> > > Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
> > > is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
> > > the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
> > > and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
> > > in the presence of moisture."
> >
> > English please???
>
> Whole ground flaxseed heap
> no good mojo. Saaavvy? :)

Well, many more studies state the beneficial EFA's from
Flax or fish oils.

It's kinda like saying don't eat food because much of it contains
pesticides...
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
Feed your dog more beef fat.

He's not a prissy bint on a beach in California.

He couldn't care less about freakin' flax-seed oil...

--Blair
 
How to give a dog a daily pill:

Tell the dog to sit.

Grab the dog by the lower jaw.

With your forefinger on one side and your thumb on the other and your
palm underneath, pry the dog's mouth open.

With your other hand, push the pill as far back in the dog's throat as
you can reach.

Close the dog's mouth and hold it nearly closed until the dog swallows.
Dogs do not have a gag reflex and will not reject the pill unless
you've placed it wrong and it can slip to the side. You'll find it on
the floor if that's the case.

Give the dog a treat. Within a few days the dog will associate
pill-time with treat-time, and just shaking the pill bottle will bring
the dog running.

--Blair
 
OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>
> Why don't you just crush the pills?
> That's what we do. For liquid caps, we pop them and mix them in a little
> bit of cat food.

couple of reasons, first a few of things i've had to gie maddie are time
release and need to dissolve in her belly. Also, maddie is not food motivated
at all and it's entirely likely she will start to eat something and either get
spooked and run (her previous owner would lure her with treats and then abuse
her) or just decide i'm too far away and come to me (she's very attached to
me) then ghengis will go eat it.

She's good at taking pills though and she knows she will get a treat when it's
done.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!
 
OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
> > > > George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
> > > > Series Number 58, page 266:
> > > >
> > > > "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
> > > > press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
> > > > Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
> > > > is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
> > > > the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
> > > > and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
> > > > in the presence of moisture."
> > >
> > > English please???
> >
> > Whole ground flaxseed heap
> > no good mojo. Saaavvy? :)
>
> Well, many more studies state the beneficial
> EFA's from Flax or fish oils.

The oil doesn't contain the cyanide-producing part.
The whole ground seeds (with or without the oil)
contain the cyanide-producing part.

> It's kinda like saying don't eat food because
> much of it contains pesticides...

It's more like saying don't eat stuff that's
poisonous for cattle, because it might not be
healthful for you, either.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
The Bubbo <[email protected]> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> >
> > Why don't you just crush the pills?
> > That's what we do. For liquid caps, we pop them and mix them in a little
> > bit of cat food.
>
> couple of reasons, first a few of things i've had to gie maddie are time
> release and need to dissolve in her belly. Also, maddie is not food motivated
> at all and it's entirely likely she will start to eat something and either get
> spooked and run (her previous owner would lure her with treats and then abuse
> her) or just decide i'm too far away and come to me (she's very attached to
> me) then ghengis will go eat it.
>
> She's good at taking pills though and she knows she will get a treat when it's
> done.

If you can successfully "pill" your dog, then there is no reason to hide
it in food. :) Some folks can't.

We have 6 dogs and my dad's elderly sheltie gets scared easily. He was
abused by his previous owner so BITES when he gets scared! No way in
hell can I shove a pill down him! I have to put it in his food.

If I need to work with him for injuries and such, I have to put on a
pair of welders gloves to protect my hands, grab his muzzle and tape it
shut. :-( Then I can do whatever I need to do with him, including
grooming and bathing... I feel SO bad for him!

I praise him and give him treats when we are done, and that is helping.
I don't have to tape his mouth as often as I used to.
I've just tried to be ever so patient and gentle with him.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by
> > > > > George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph
> > > > > Series Number 58, page 266:
> > > > >
> > > > > "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the
> > > > > press cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as
> > > > > Linamarin. The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"
> > > > > is innocuous to cattle. The heat apparently prevents
> > > > > the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside
> > > > > and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake
> > > > > in the presence of moisture."
> > > >
> > > > English please???
> > >
> > > Whole ground flaxseed heap
> > > no good mojo. Saaavvy? :)
> >
> > Well, many more studies state the beneficial
> > EFA's from Flax or fish oils.
>
> The oil doesn't contain the cyanide-producing part.
> The whole ground seeds (with or without the oil)
> contain the cyanide-producing part.
>
> > It's kinda like saying don't eat food because
> > much of it contains pesticides...
>
> It's more like saying don't eat stuff that's
> poisonous for cattle, because it might not be
> healthful for you, either.

I'm not a cow...

Have a nice day. ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> Feed your dog more beef fat.
>
> He's not a prissy bint on a beach in California.
>
> He couldn't care less about freakin' flax-seed oil...

a. The dog will be grateful for extra fat or oil. He doesn't have
to worry about cholesterol, he's not going to live to be 70 anyway, so
let him live it up.
b. I presume that 'bint' is not complimentary.
c. Altho dogs can't talk, they can express opinions so why not let
the dog choose. Offer the dog two separate (small) bowls of food, one
with beef fat, one with flax oil. Most of us can guess the outcome.
Speakin of which we once had a hippie vegetarian visitor with a dog who
explained the moral implications of dog food and told us that the dog
preferred vegetarian kibble. "He's really into it" the hippie said as
we looked over his shoulder and watched his dog shove our cat aside and
gobble down her high-meat-protein food.

>
> --Blair
 
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