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I have to ask, what is the big deal with Cracker Barrel? Went there
for the first time this morning with my mother-in-law, her SO and my
hubby. DH got the fried catfish, 2 eggs over easy, grits, biscuits &
gravy and the hashbrown casserole. MIL got the same but with ham
instead of catfish. MIL's SO got a bowl of grits and I got a side dish
of the hashbrown casserole.

First of all, the place is loud and extremely tacky.

Second, the hashbrown casserole was absolutely disgusting - hubby
agreed.

Third, the price for the 4 of us (and two of us didn't really eat!)
came to about $25.00.

My side of hashbrown casserole was about as big as 4 quarters put
together, my MIL's SO's bowl of grits wasn't even a BOWL, more like a
rameken, and the grits were runny. Both our dishes were $2.00 a
piece. Should have been more like $.50 a piece.

Crappy food, way too crowded, gaudy "store", and terrible banjo music.
Ugh. And people flock to this place? Why?

kili

Sorry you had a not so good experience. I've eaten at a Cracker Barrel
twice and I can vouch for your post. As a rule we avoid chain restaurant
food. Not necessarily because the food is bad but because of the noise,
children running amuck, and the constant cell phone yappage at adjoining
tables. Sometimes when traveling by car, Cracker Barrel type
establishments is about all you get unless you really know your way around
a strange area. Oddly enough I like I-Hop and The Waffle House. The food
isn't particularly great at either but for some reason the noise level and
child population is at a minimum. Waffle House has excellent smothered
hash browns BTW, and I-Hop has a pretty decent chicken fried steak.

What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the evening.
Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places like Red
Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Michael

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==> Cracker Barrel: What gives? <==

I'm right there with ya, kilikini! I can only guess
location-location-location is the secret to Cracker Barrel's success.
Well, that, and doping every last dish of food up with extra fats and
tons of salt so it appeals to Middle America's tastebuds.

The Ranger

I agree that it is way too noisy (poor planning on the acoustics) and
the food mediocre. BUT, they have this great service with "Books on CD"
that you can "rent" (you buy, then refund at any other cracker barrel
for a total cost of $3.49) that has provided me with many enjoyable
driving hours for little trouble. It is convenient. You can also find
some great old time candies and snacks in that corny shop.
Goomba

On the second trip I managed to find a Beanie Baby in that shop at a
Cracker Barrel. It was for my niece that is an avid collector of about
anything. Apparently the bag of beans was discontinued or retired or
something and she was having a hard time finding it. I found it plopped on
the shelf next to the straw cowboy hats.

Michael

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the evening.
Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places like Red
Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws anyone at
all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian population. There
are Italian restaurants all over the place, all cheaper and better than
Olive Garden.

Doug Kanter said:

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most chain
places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport, IA, I didn't see
one child in the place. Not that they wouldn't be welcomed, I'm sure, but
there was no cheaper "kids menu".

Jill

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the evening.
Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places like Red
Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws anyone at
all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian population.
There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all cheaper and better
than Olive Garden.

Same in the New Haven area. Lots of Italians, lots of Italian restaurants,
AND the Olive Garden parking lot in Orange (nearby) is always jammed. One
Olive Garden I went to -- will not mention the town -- had the worst food
imaginable -- tasted like day-old garbage from someone elses' plate. An
Olive Garden, I believe near or in Jessup, MD, fantastic.
Dee Dee

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

We have a large Italian population as well. It's known as The Hill and is
chock full of restaurants (in all price ranges) and other stores such as
delis, grocery etc. I love spending a day on The Hill and always wind up
eating too much. I can't imagine going to Olive Garden when there are so
many alternatives.

Michael

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most chain
places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport, IA, I didn't
see
one child in the place. Not that they wouldn't be welcomed, I'm sure, but
there was no cheaper "kids menu".

Jill

Sometimes, all you have to do is ask if a child can get a smaller portion at
a lower price. It's amazing how many times you'll hear "yes".

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the evening.
Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places like Red
Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws anyone
at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian population.
There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all cheaper and better
than Olive Garden.

Same in the New Haven area. Lots of Italians, lots of Italian
restaurants, AND the Olive Garden parking lot in Orange (nearby) is
always jammed. One Olive Garden I went to -- will not mention the town --
had the worst food imaginable -- tasted like day-old garbage from someone
elses' plate. An Olive Garden, I believe near or in Jessup, MD, fantastic.
Dee Dee

Like most other chains, management varies to a hideous extent.

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

We have a large Italian population as well. It's known as The Hill and is
chock full of restaurants (in all price ranges) and other stores such as
delis, grocery etc. I love spending a day on The Hill and always wind up
eating too much. I can't imagine going to Olive Garden when there are so
many alternatives.

Michael

Where's "here"?

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>I have to ask, what is the big deal with Cracker Barrel? Went there
>for the
> first time this morning with my mother-in-law, her SO and my hubby.
> DH got the fried catfish, 2 eggs over easy, grits, biscuits & gravy
> and the hashbrown casserole. MIL got the same but with ham instead
> of catfish. MIL's SO got a bowl of grits and I got a side dish of
> the hashbrown casserole.
>
> First of all, the place is loud and extremely tacky.
>
> Second, the hashbrown casserole was absolutely disgusting - hubby
> agreed.
>
> Third, the price for the 4 of us (and two of us didn't really eat!)
> came
> to
> about $25.00.
>
> My side of hashbrown casserole was about as big as 4 quarters put
> together, my MIL's SO's bowl of grits wasn't even a BOWL, more like
> a rameken, and the grits were runny. Both our dishes were $2.00 a
> piece. Should have been more like $.50 a piece.
>
> Crappy food, way too crowded, gaudy "store", and terrible banjo
> music. Ugh.
> And people flock to this place? Why?
>
> kili

I NEVER GO THERE! You said it all for me, no further comment
necessary. There is a place called the Haag Hotel, in Shartlesville,
PA, off hwy 78 that has good reviews. People flock there. I feel the
same way about it. It's a source of amusement when we see the signs as
we drive/whizz by, yelling, Shall we stop -- Oh, Oh, you missed it!
Dee Dee

Dee Dee, I had to go to the Haag's Hotel's website just to check it
out. Dutch food, okay, I'm Dutch, but I don't know a thing about Dutch
food. It's really that bad?

kili

Well, you be the judge (tee hee). To me, Dutch food is just plain ole'
American food, if there is such a thing. You know, Amish food. There
used to be a food program on PBS, I used to watch it occasionally. One
day she made the perfect pie crust. I know I'm exaggerating (only a
little). She blended together god only knows how much lard with the
flour, and pushed it out in a pie pan with her fingers. Lordy, my,
anyone could do this. But when I think of Dutch/Amish food, it reminds
me of her book. Some here will know it. I can't remember, too long ago.
But I think the book is still around, I believe I saw it in Borders the
other day. Yes, I think the food at the Haag was a cut-below Cracker
Barrel, or at least on-par.
Dee Dee

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actually. I have 3 of her books, but the first is the best.

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the evening.
Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places like Red
Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws anyone at
all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian population. There
are Italian restaurants all over the place, all cheaper and better than
Olive Garden.

I have a friend who refer to the Olive Garden as the "All American
Italian Restaurant."

I go out of my way to avoid chain restaurants. It is not that they all
suck, but I can get a better breakfast at any random diner or coffee
shop and a better lunch or dinner at almost any local eatery.

Boron

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What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most chain
places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport, IA,

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I didn't see one child in the place.

What a refreshing thought! My favorite restaurants are where I see no one
under the age of 30.

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Not that they wouldn't be welcomed, I'm
sure, but there was no cheaper "kids menu".

Jill

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> What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
> evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
> like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most chain
places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport, IA,

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I didn't see one child in the place.

What a refreshing thought! My favorite restaurants are where I see no one
under the age of 30.

Try going to the theatre, ballet or opera in Manhattan....the average
age is 60+

Boron

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>
> What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
> evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
> like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most chain
places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport, IA,

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I didn't see one child in the place.

What a refreshing thought! My favorite restaurants are where I see no one
under the age of 30.

I agree, sort of. But, my parents had a good point about this sort of thing.
They took my sisters and I to all sorts of fancy places. Later in life, I
asked them about this. They said "How are kids supposed to learn how to
behave in nice places if you don't take them to those places?" I think the
problem isn't the kids. It's the parents who don't enforce the rules.

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> "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >I have to ask, what is the big deal with Cracker Barrel? Went there
> >for the
> > first time this morning with my mother-in-law, her SO and my hubby.
> > DH got the fried catfish, 2 eggs over easy, grits, biscuits & gravy
> > and the hashbrown casserole. MIL got the same but with ham instead
> > of catfish. MIL's SO got a bowl of grits and I got a side dish of
> > the hashbrown casserole.
> >
> > First of all, the place is loud and extremely tacky.
> >
> > Second, the hashbrown casserole was absolutely disgusting - hubby
> > agreed.
> >
> > Third, the price for the 4 of us (and two of us didn't really eat!)
> > came
> > to
> > about $25.00.
> >
> > My side of hashbrown casserole was about as big as 4 quarters put
> > together, my MIL's SO's bowl of grits wasn't even a BOWL, more like
> > a rameken, and the grits were runny. Both our dishes were $2.00 a
> > piece. Should have been more like $.50 a piece.
> >
> > Crappy food, way too crowded, gaudy "store", and terrible banjo
> > music. Ugh.
> > And people flock to this place? Why?
> >
> > kili
>
> I NEVER GO THERE! You said it all for me, no further comment
> necessary. There is a place called the Haag Hotel, in Shartlesville,
> PA, off hwy 78 that has good reviews. People flock there. I feel the
> same way about it. It's a source of amusement when we see the signs as
> we drive/whizz by, yelling, Shall we stop -- Oh, Oh, you missed it!
> Dee Dee
>
>

Dee Dee, I had to go to the Haag's Hotel's website just to check it
out. Dutch food, okay, I'm Dutch, but I don't know a thing about Dutch
food. It's really that bad?

kili

Well, you be the judge (tee hee). To me, Dutch food is just plain ole'
American food, if there is such a thing. You know, Amish food. There
used to be a food program on PBS, I used to watch it occasionally. One
day she made the perfect pie crust. I know I'm exaggerating (only a
little). She blended together god only knows how much lard with the
flour, and pushed it out in a pie pan with her fingers. Lordy, my,
anyone could do this. But when I think of Dutch/Amish food, it reminds
me of her book. Some here will know it. I can't remember, too long ago.
But I think the book is still around, I believe I saw it in Borders the
other day. Yes, I think the food at the Haag was a cut-below Cracker
Barrel, or at least on-par.
Dee Dee

"Cooking from Quilt Country" by Marcia Adams. Some rather good recipes,
actually. I have 3 of her books, but the first is the best.

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I know you love to bake pies, Wayne -- did that pie recipe get in one of the
books? Don't look it up -- just curious. I actually tried it a couple of
times.
Dee Dee

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Try going to the theatre, ballet or opera in Manhattan....the average
age is 60+

Boron

A dream come true! :-)

Au contraire! Though I am only a handful of years away from that
myself, I find the oldsters as ill-behaved as the average unmannered
child.

AND they are much more likely to be rude when told to hush.

Boron

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>>
>> What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
>> evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
>> like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.
>
> Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
> anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
> population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
> cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most

chain

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places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport, IA,

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I didn't see one child in the place.

What a refreshing thought! My favorite restaurants are where I see no

one

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under the age of 30.

Try going to the theatre, ballet or opera in Manhattan....the average
age is 60+

Boron

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>>
>> What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
>> evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into
>> places like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.
>
> Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
> anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge
> Italian population. There are Italian restaurants all over the
> place, all cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most
chain places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport,
IA,

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I didn't see one child in the place.

What a refreshing thought! My favorite restaurants are where I see
no one under the age of 30.

I agree, sort of. But, my parents had a good point about this sort of
thing. They took my sisters and I to all sorts of fancy places. Later
in life, I asked them about this. They said "How are kids supposed to
learn how to behave in nice places if you don't take them to those
places?" I think the problem isn't the kids. It's the parents who
don't enforce the rules.

That's been discussed a million times here! Let's don't do it again at
least until 2006 😉

Jill

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> What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
> evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into
> places like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.

Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most
chain places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport,
IA, I didn't see
one child in the place. Not that they wouldn't be welcomed, I'm
sure, but there was no cheaper "kids menu".

Jill

Sometimes, all you have to do is ask if a child can get a smaller
portion at a lower price. It's amazing how many times you'll hear
"yes".

Not having children, I wouldn't know. Apparently those seeking "family"
restaurants with kids menus don't know, either. But then it would also
depend on what they expect in terms of what is *in* the smaller portions.
Trattoria Tiramisu didn't serve chicken nuggets and nary a hamburger in
sight on the menu, nor fries 😉

Jill

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Doug Kanter wrote:
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>> What amazes me is driving down Watson Road at about 5:30 in the
>> evening. Patrons are lined up clear out the doors to get into places
>> like Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like.
>
> Around here (Rochester NY), it amazes me that Olive Garden draws
> anyone at all. It's not bad food, but this town's got a huge Italian
> population. There are Italian restaurants all over the place, all
> cheaper and better than Olive Garden.

Maybe it's the price. Does Olive Garden have a "kids menu"? Most

chain

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places do. When we ate at Trattoria Tiramisu in Davenport, IA,

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I didn't see one child in the place.

What a refreshing thought! My favorite restaurants are where I see no

one

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under the age of 30.

I agree, sort of. But, my parents had a good point about this sort of

thing.

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They took my sisters and I to all sorts of fancy places. Later in life, I
asked them about this. They said "How are kids supposed to learn how to
behave in nice places if you don't take them to those places?" I think

the

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problem isn't the kids. It's the parents who don't enforce the rules.

My parents were the same way, Doug. As a child, I attended theatre,
musicals, symphonies, ballets and operas. If I went to someone's house with
my mother, I wasn't allowed to speak, I had to just sit there. If I was
served a refreshment that I didn't care for, I politely drank it. I'm not
quite 40 years old yet and I am absolutely disgraced by the way children
treat adults these days.

kili