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Mark Hickey
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Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mark Hickey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Greg, you gotta spend more time studying the issue. You saw what a couple ounces of anthrax did
>> to the country. Imagine 8,500 liters sold to the highest bidder as one example of the threat.
>
>And where did that anthrax come from? Afghanistan? Iraq?? .... If you thought about the issue you'd
>realise that Saddam isn't going to be selling anything to people who see him as an "infidel".
Osama bin Laden issued a statement to the effect of "he's an infidel, but at least he's an infidel
who's opposed to the US so we should cooperate with him". I'm a little surprised that you think Al
Qaeda or Saddam would be overly sensitive about dealings to the detriment of their common enemy.
>> When that happens, you let us know so we can help you gloat. I find it curious that there would
>> be any question about those being sent in to get Iraq back on it's feet having oil backgrounds.
>> Let's see, what is Iraq's economy based on? Oil, maybe?
>
>Well obviously - there'd be no point in attacking somewhere that grows bananas if your pals aren't
>fruit executives, would there? Iraq is in the firing line precisely BECAUSE Dubya and cronies will
>fill their boots in the "reconstruction".
So because Bush used to be attached to the oil industry, he should studiously avoid any issues
dealing with any country that happens to produce oil? Like I keep saying - when you see that Bush
and his team are getting rich over this, feel free to tell me "toldja so". Til they, I'll just
assume it can't happen because of all the scrutiny (even if that was the plan, which I don't
believe either).
>> That's disgusting, Greg. It shows you have NO grasp on the reality of the situation. By the way,
>> you might want to read a little history that doesn't come from sources that draw horns on GWB's
>> photo. You might find that just about every military effort the US has made over the last 20
>> years has been to AID Muslims. We helped the Afghan mujahadin during the Soviet invasion (one in
>> particular doesn't seem to be too thankful) we liberated Kuwait after the Iraqi invasion in 1990,
>> we helped the Somali Muslims in Mogadishu, helped the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo against the
>> Serbs. We also liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban and Al Qaeda thugs.
>
>How absurd can you get? "Helping the mujihadeen" is a pro-Muslim act? Pull the other one! For what
>it's worth, girls were being educated during the Soviet occupation. Helping the mujihadeen was just
>a way to oppose the Soviets. In case you've forgotten, the Taliban were seen by the Afghans as the
>least bad of a set of poor choices, and a way to end the civil war. Now the Taliban have gone, what
>is happening in Afghanistan? Turning into Switzerland? I don't think so! Doesn't make the news that
>much, does it? Any idea what's happening in Kosovo lately? Well, to give you a clue there's a KLA
>leader on trial in The Hague just now - and it's not on traffic violations.
What, you DID expect them to turn into Switzerland? Those countries have seriously complex problems
that aren't going to vanish overnight no matter what happens. But I do believe that the one chance
they DO have is via democratic reforms. Eventually the majority do get it right.
> But if course you conveniently forget the biggest military effort made by the US which is the
> arming and support of Israel - oppressor of Muslims par excellence. (Though I have to admit that
> they are also quite busy oppressing Christians.)
The first real step toward fixing the Palestine/Israel problem (it doesn't belong to either one
alone) is for Palestine to lose the PLO. Hopefully the newly-appointed PM will start to pry the
power out of Arafat's hands and reflect the will of the average Palestinian (who wants the same
thing the average Israeli does - to live their lives without worrying about bombs in busses or
bulldozers).
>>> Goodby peace, goodby freedom, hello Armageddon,
>>
>> Hey, deja vu. Wasn't that the lament before the first gulf war? Wasn't that the lament before we
>> went into Afghanistan? Did I miss "Armageddon" the first time (or was it just the goofy Bruce
>> Willis space movie)?
>
>I guess it's a local thing - if you get on the wrong end of a bomb that's pretty much like
>Armageddon.
Yeah, war sucks. If I thought there was an alternative to this one, I'd be very vocal about it. So
far it looks like the civilian casualties are remarkably few (though any is, of course, too many).
Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
>"Mark Hickey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Greg, you gotta spend more time studying the issue. You saw what a couple ounces of anthrax did
>> to the country. Imagine 8,500 liters sold to the highest bidder as one example of the threat.
>
>And where did that anthrax come from? Afghanistan? Iraq?? .... If you thought about the issue you'd
>realise that Saddam isn't going to be selling anything to people who see him as an "infidel".
Osama bin Laden issued a statement to the effect of "he's an infidel, but at least he's an infidel
who's opposed to the US so we should cooperate with him". I'm a little surprised that you think Al
Qaeda or Saddam would be overly sensitive about dealings to the detriment of their common enemy.
>> When that happens, you let us know so we can help you gloat. I find it curious that there would
>> be any question about those being sent in to get Iraq back on it's feet having oil backgrounds.
>> Let's see, what is Iraq's economy based on? Oil, maybe?
>
>Well obviously - there'd be no point in attacking somewhere that grows bananas if your pals aren't
>fruit executives, would there? Iraq is in the firing line precisely BECAUSE Dubya and cronies will
>fill their boots in the "reconstruction".
So because Bush used to be attached to the oil industry, he should studiously avoid any issues
dealing with any country that happens to produce oil? Like I keep saying - when you see that Bush
and his team are getting rich over this, feel free to tell me "toldja so". Til they, I'll just
assume it can't happen because of all the scrutiny (even if that was the plan, which I don't
believe either).
>> That's disgusting, Greg. It shows you have NO grasp on the reality of the situation. By the way,
>> you might want to read a little history that doesn't come from sources that draw horns on GWB's
>> photo. You might find that just about every military effort the US has made over the last 20
>> years has been to AID Muslims. We helped the Afghan mujahadin during the Soviet invasion (one in
>> particular doesn't seem to be too thankful) we liberated Kuwait after the Iraqi invasion in 1990,
>> we helped the Somali Muslims in Mogadishu, helped the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo against the
>> Serbs. We also liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban and Al Qaeda thugs.
>
>How absurd can you get? "Helping the mujihadeen" is a pro-Muslim act? Pull the other one! For what
>it's worth, girls were being educated during the Soviet occupation. Helping the mujihadeen was just
>a way to oppose the Soviets. In case you've forgotten, the Taliban were seen by the Afghans as the
>least bad of a set of poor choices, and a way to end the civil war. Now the Taliban have gone, what
>is happening in Afghanistan? Turning into Switzerland? I don't think so! Doesn't make the news that
>much, does it? Any idea what's happening in Kosovo lately? Well, to give you a clue there's a KLA
>leader on trial in The Hague just now - and it's not on traffic violations.
What, you DID expect them to turn into Switzerland? Those countries have seriously complex problems
that aren't going to vanish overnight no matter what happens. But I do believe that the one chance
they DO have is via democratic reforms. Eventually the majority do get it right.
> But if course you conveniently forget the biggest military effort made by the US which is the
> arming and support of Israel - oppressor of Muslims par excellence. (Though I have to admit that
> they are also quite busy oppressing Christians.)
The first real step toward fixing the Palestine/Israel problem (it doesn't belong to either one
alone) is for Palestine to lose the PLO. Hopefully the newly-appointed PM will start to pry the
power out of Arafat's hands and reflect the will of the average Palestinian (who wants the same
thing the average Israeli does - to live their lives without worrying about bombs in busses or
bulldozers).
>>> Goodby peace, goodby freedom, hello Armageddon,
>>
>> Hey, deja vu. Wasn't that the lament before the first gulf war? Wasn't that the lament before we
>> went into Afghanistan? Did I miss "Armageddon" the first time (or was it just the goofy Bruce
>> Willis space movie)?
>
>I guess it's a local thing - if you get on the wrong end of a bomb that's pretty much like
>Armageddon.
Yeah, war sucks. If I thought there was an alternative to this one, I'd be very vocal about it. So
far it looks like the civilian casualties are remarkably few (though any is, of course, too many).
Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
