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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:40:20 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 -0500, "S Curtiss"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0500, "S Curtiss"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker.
>>>>>>>>Anecdotal. Where is your documented 3rd party evidence showing
>>>>>>>>these numbers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's obvious.
>>>>No - It isn't OBVIOUS unless that is all you want to see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A hiker can and
>>>>>>>>> will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most
>>>>>>>>> likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly
>>>>>>>>> crush it.
>>>>>>>>Your lack of experience about the riding habits and attentions
>>>>>>>>of cyclists
>>>>>>>>is evident in your statement of OPINION.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it's TRUE.
>>>>>>No.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen the dead snakes that prove it.
>>>>
>>>>Where is the PROOF? Where are the photos? Where are the witnesses
>>>>that saw the cyclist hit a LIVE snake? Where is the documentation
>>>>showing the only possible cause was a cyclist?
>>>>WHERE IS IT?
>>>
>>> Obviously, you don't really care.
>>I don't care because I won't give you a pass on unsubstantiated
>>statements...? I don't care because I insist on proof of your
>>charges...? I don't really care about your lies.
>
> "Lies"? You haven't found even ONE yet! (Hint: there aren't any. I
> don't need to lie, since the truth is on my side.)
>
> .. I'll give you that. And I and others
>>make sure everyone is well aware of your lies. By doing so, we allow a
>>greater cooperation between all groups without bickering over the
>>misinformation you present. That greater cooperation allows for better
>>discussions on preservasion which you obviously don't care about.
>>>
>>>>> It is your OPINION that off-road cyclists can not ride AND see
>>>>> their
>>>>>>surroundings and obstacles (IE: wildlife on trail)
>>>>>>You attempt to use your limited experience of off-road cycling as
>>>>>>a factor
>>>>>>in determining how everyone else must perceive it.
>>>>>>That is evident as your OPINION is constantly used in place of
>>>>>>FACT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There are examples in zoological museums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed"
>>>>>>>>or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents
>>>>>>>>showing they were
>>>>>>>>definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye
>>>>>>>>witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can tell by the width of the wound: identical to the width
>>>>>>> of a mountain bike tire, which doesn't match any shoe.
>>>>>>Really...? The existence of what you say is a mountain bike tire
>>>>>>mark proves
>>>>>>they were killed by mountain bikers....?
>>>>>>You do not even entertain the POSSIBILITY they were dead before
>>>>>>the marks
>>>>>>were made...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not likely. I have NEVER seen a dead snake there, until one was
>>>>> killed by a mountain biker.
>>>>Did YOU SEE the cyclist hit it? Who else was present? Do you have
>>>>corroboration? Do you have PROOF it was not already dead from some
>>>>other cause? Where is the PROOF the only possible cause was a
>>>>cyclist?
>>>
>>> The biologist who examined it agrees that it was killed by a
>>> mountain biker. There is no other possible answer.
>>Names...? Association... ? Documentation...? Background...?
>>Without it, it is still you simply saying "because I say so" which is
>>hardly acceptable.
>>While you are at it, show the conclusive process that allows this
>>"biologist" to say it was "killed" by a cyclist and not already dead
>>when a cyclist may have encountered it.
>
> If yiu were HONEST, which you aren't, you would find your OWN snake or
> other animal killed by a mountain biker. They must be pretty common.
>
>>>>This is, as it has always been, an example you CLAIM proves off-road
>>>>cyclist
>>>>behavior but you have no REAL EVIDENCE. Your word means NOTHING.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Beyond that you are AGAIN avoiding the DIRECT questions:
>>>>>>What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed"
>>>>>>or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents
>>>>>>showing they were
>>>>>>definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye
>>>>>>witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"?
>>>>STILL NO ANSWER TO DIRECT QUESTIONS ON POINT AND PROOF.
>>>>And that speaks VOLUMES on your credibility as a LIAR.
>>STILL NO ANSWER on a direct point YOU MADE. YOU stated "There are
>>examples in zoological museums". So, go ahead, which examples...?
>>Which museums...? If there are examples, then it should be easy for
>>you to supply the names.
>
> If you were smart (or cared), you would already know that information.\
I find mikeys little responses so amusing. He can't even support his own
arguments. Quite pathetic actually
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
> are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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news:[email protected]:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:40:20 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 -0500, "S Curtiss"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0500, "S Curtiss"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker.
>>>>>>>>Anecdotal. Where is your documented 3rd party evidence showing
>>>>>>>>these numbers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's obvious.
>>>>No - It isn't OBVIOUS unless that is all you want to see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A hiker can and
>>>>>>>>> will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most
>>>>>>>>> likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly
>>>>>>>>> crush it.
>>>>>>>>Your lack of experience about the riding habits and attentions
>>>>>>>>of cyclists
>>>>>>>>is evident in your statement of OPINION.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it's TRUE.
>>>>>>No.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen the dead snakes that prove it.
>>>>
>>>>Where is the PROOF? Where are the photos? Where are the witnesses
>>>>that saw the cyclist hit a LIVE snake? Where is the documentation
>>>>showing the only possible cause was a cyclist?
>>>>WHERE IS IT?
>>>
>>> Obviously, you don't really care.
>>I don't care because I won't give you a pass on unsubstantiated
>>statements...? I don't care because I insist on proof of your
>>charges...? I don't really care about your lies.
>
> "Lies"? You haven't found even ONE yet! (Hint: there aren't any. I
> don't need to lie, since the truth is on my side.)
>
> .. I'll give you that. And I and others
>>make sure everyone is well aware of your lies. By doing so, we allow a
>>greater cooperation between all groups without bickering over the
>>misinformation you present. That greater cooperation allows for better
>>discussions on preservasion which you obviously don't care about.
>>>
>>>>> It is your OPINION that off-road cyclists can not ride AND see
>>>>> their
>>>>>>surroundings and obstacles (IE: wildlife on trail)
>>>>>>You attempt to use your limited experience of off-road cycling as
>>>>>>a factor
>>>>>>in determining how everyone else must perceive it.
>>>>>>That is evident as your OPINION is constantly used in place of
>>>>>>FACT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There are examples in zoological museums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed"
>>>>>>>>or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents
>>>>>>>>showing they were
>>>>>>>>definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye
>>>>>>>>witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can tell by the width of the wound: identical to the width
>>>>>>> of a mountain bike tire, which doesn't match any shoe.
>>>>>>Really...? The existence of what you say is a mountain bike tire
>>>>>>mark proves
>>>>>>they were killed by mountain bikers....?
>>>>>>You do not even entertain the POSSIBILITY they were dead before
>>>>>>the marks
>>>>>>were made...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not likely. I have NEVER seen a dead snake there, until one was
>>>>> killed by a mountain biker.
>>>>Did YOU SEE the cyclist hit it? Who else was present? Do you have
>>>>corroboration? Do you have PROOF it was not already dead from some
>>>>other cause? Where is the PROOF the only possible cause was a
>>>>cyclist?
>>>
>>> The biologist who examined it agrees that it was killed by a
>>> mountain biker. There is no other possible answer.
>>Names...? Association... ? Documentation...? Background...?
>>Without it, it is still you simply saying "because I say so" which is
>>hardly acceptable.
>>While you are at it, show the conclusive process that allows this
>>"biologist" to say it was "killed" by a cyclist and not already dead
>>when a cyclist may have encountered it.
>
> If yiu were HONEST, which you aren't, you would find your OWN snake or
> other animal killed by a mountain biker. They must be pretty common.
>
>>>>This is, as it has always been, an example you CLAIM proves off-road
>>>>cyclist
>>>>behavior but you have no REAL EVIDENCE. Your word means NOTHING.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Beyond that you are AGAIN avoiding the DIRECT questions:
>>>>>>What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed"
>>>>>>or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents
>>>>>>showing they were
>>>>>>definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye
>>>>>>witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"?
>>>>STILL NO ANSWER TO DIRECT QUESTIONS ON POINT AND PROOF.
>>>>And that speaks VOLUMES on your credibility as a LIAR.
>>STILL NO ANSWER on a direct point YOU MADE. YOU stated "There are
>>examples in zoological museums". So, go ahead, which examples...?
>>Which museums...? If there are examples, then it should be easy for
>>you to supply the names.
>
> If you were smart (or cared), you would already know that information.\
I find mikeys little responses so amusing. He can't even support his own
arguments. Quite pathetic actually
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
> are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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