OT political discussions in this NG

Discussion in 'Recumbent bicycles' started by Dh, Sep 21, 2003.

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  1. Dh

    Dh Guest

    I got fed up with a discussion here and left it (Re: funny). Curiously enough, when searching
    through this ng, I am hard pressed to find any posts on recumbents by Ed Dolan. If I am in error,
    would someone please correct me?

    So Ed, what is your non-political interest here? Again, if you've posted anything remotely connected
    to bicycles, I apologize. Your buddy in the Netherlands, Dave Horne
     
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  2. Skip

    Skip Guest

    "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I got fed up with a discussion here and left it (Re: funny). Curiously enough, when searching
    > through this ng, I am hard pressed to find any posts on recumbents by Ed Dolan. If I am in error,
    > would someone please correct me?
    >
    > So Ed, what is your non-political interest here? Again, if you've posted anything remotely
    > connected to bicycles, I apologize. Your buddy in the Netherlands, Dave Horne
    >
    Lemme get this straight. You say you got fed up with an off topic political thread (which you
    freely chose to read) and presumably left the newsgroup because you didn't like what Mr. Dolan had
    to say. Nevermind the numerous others (of which you were one) who contributed to the thread. Now
    that things are politically quiet in the newsgroup you presumably have chosen to come back and
    troll for Ed Dolan.

    Do you even ride a recumbent or are you here just to troll for Ed?

    your buddy in the usa, skip
     
  3. Edward Dolan

    Edward Dolan Guest

    "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > I got fed up with a discussion here and left it (Re: funny). Curiously enough, when searching
    > through this ng, I am hard pressed to find any posts on recumbents by Ed Dolan. If I am in error,
    > would someone please correct me?
    >
    > So Ed, what is your non-political interest here? Again, if you've posted anything remotely
    > connected to bicycles, I apologize. Your buddy in the Netherlands, Dave Horne

    I follow the posts on this newsgroup and only post rarely on recumbent subjects. What does that have
    to do with anything? I am here because of my interest and not because I feel I have to add anything
    to what is already being said. Half of Mr. Sherman's posts make no sense to
    me. He is just touching base with his buddies. Many others do that here too. I think touching base
    with your buddies could better be done by personal emails but I don't object; I just don't
    bother to read those type of posts. In other words, I pick and choose what I am going to read on
    this newsgroup the same as I would on any other newsgroup. That is what you should be doing too.
    But what brings me here in the first instance is my interest in recumbents. I don't see what the
    problem is.

    By the way, that fellow from Finland that posts a lot here on this newsgroup once told me in a
    message that all you Dutch cyclists were raving liberal socialist eco freaks (not his exact words
    but close enough). Is this true? If it is true, that may have something to do with why you get fed
    up with my posts, don't you think? But I have been listening to your type of thinking for most of
    my life and so it won't kill you to put up with a few of my posts. I know you are not objecting to
    Mr. Sherman's ranting and raving. That is because you agree with him and it is therefore music to
    your ears.

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota
     
  4. Edward Dolan

    Edward Dolan Guest

    "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > I got fed up with a discussion here and left it (Re: funny). Curiously enough, when searching
    > > through this ng, I am hard pressed to find any posts on recumbents by Ed Dolan. If I am in
    > > error, would someone please correct me?
    > >
    > > So Ed, what is your non-political interest here? Again, if you've posted anything remotely
    > > connected to bicycles, I apologize. Your buddy in the Netherlands, Dave Horne
    > >
    > Lemme get this straight. You say you got fed up with an off topic political thread (which you
    > freely chose to read) and presumably left the newsgroup because you didn't like what Mr. Dolan had
    > to say. Nevermind the numerous others (of which you were one) who contributed to the thread. Now
    > that things are politically quiet in the newsgroup you presumably have chosen to come back and
    > troll for Ed Dolan.
    >
    > Do you even ride a recumbent or are you here just to troll for Ed?
    >
    > your buddy in the usa, skip

    Hey Skip, someone will always be trolling for me because I add a little excitement to their dull
    lives and to what would otherwise be a very dull newsgroup. We have an election coming up in 2004.
    We will all be mad as hatters by then if we manage to survive one another. We may not even get
    through this coming winter as we all get very cranky and ornery as a result of not being able to
    ride our recumbents as much as we do the rest of the year. I will admit that when I forget to take
    my blood pressure medication that I can easily go into orbit over anything at all. I have got to
    calm down some.

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota
     
  5. Dh

    Dh Guest

    Skip, if you view your screen of this ng to show who initiated a thread and use my name, you will
    see I have initiated a few threads. I see you have not initiated any thread re biking. I have gone
    back so that I have more than 3800 messages on my screen.

    I bike a great deal and am interested in buying a hybrid, but I guess you don't read the latest
    threads since your only concern is right wing politics.

    I see the best defense is an offense, hey Skippy boy?
     
  6. Dh

    Dh Guest

    So Ed, what recumbent posts have you initiated or have responded to? Simple question, ....
    simple answer? Is your life so boring that your only excitement is expending your energy
    supporting our semi-literate President. Man, you gotta get out more. Get on your bike and burn
    off that excess energy.

    This is a recumbent ng, n'est pas? Have you thought of a .... hmmm, political ng? Just a
    thought, fella.
     
  7. Dh

    Dh Guest

    Ed, I searched this ng and see (in the last 3800 posts) that you have in fact contributed about
    responses that were not political. My apologies.

    You know, Ed, if you feel so strongly about the situation in Iraq, you could offer your services.
    Unfortunately for me, I have already served my 20 years active duty and can not rejoin. (I retired
    at the age of 44, moved to the Netherlands, and my love for biking flourished here.)

    I would start by doing some push ups and some light jogging. Who knows, you might actually be able
    to put your body into action instead of just your mouth All the best, your buddy in the Netherlands,
    Dave Horne

    --
    Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill
     
  8. Skip

    Skip Guest

    "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Skip, if you view your screen of this ng to show who initiated a thread and use my name, you will
    > see I have initiated a few threads. I see you have not initiated any thread re biking. I have gone
    > back so that I have more than 3800 messages on my screen.
    >
    > I bike a great deal and am interested in buying a hybrid, but I guess you don't read the latest
    > threads since your only concern is right wing politics.
    >
    > I see the best defense is an offense, hey Skippy boy?
    >

    You say you have more than 3800 messages on your screen? You must have a really big screen or those
    must be really tiny messages.

    Anyway it's for sure my interest in hybrids is essentially nil.

    Why is it that there always seems to be some liberal out there just itching to initiate one these
    off topic political flame threads. Give it rest DH. Go buy yourself a hybrid and ride it. Or do more
    google searches. Or start a motorless moped newsgroup. Or whatever.

    from your skippy boy good buddy non hybrid riding extra extreme right winger right here in the good
    ole usa who isn't buying into a netherlandic second rate troll from some tom sherman wannabe i know
    tom sherman and you're no tom sherman
     
  9. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    skip wrote:
    > ... Do you even ride a recumbent or are you here just to troll for Ed?...

    I thought this was the inheritance tax discussion newsgroup. ;)

    Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers
     
  10. Edward Dolan

    Edward Dolan Guest

    "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > So Ed, what recumbent posts have you initiated or have responded to? Simple question, ....
    > simple answer? Is your life so boring that your only excitement is expending your energy
    > supporting our semi-literate President. Man, you gotta get out more. Get on your bike and burn
    > off that excess energy.
    >
    > This is a recumbent ng, n'est pas? Have you thought of a .... hmmm, political ng? Just a
    > thought, fella.

    No, you are not going to get rid of me so you liberal nuts can have this newsgroup to yourselves to
    post your political stupidities. I am here to stay. Get use to it. As long as you stick to your
    recumbent topics you will most likely not be bothered by me as most of your recumbent subjects are
    way too dull for me to ever bother with. But I am glad I have got your pulse rate up a bit. That
    should have the effect of getting some blood flow to your brain where it might do some good for how
    you think about Iraq and terrorists and such.

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota
     
  11. Edward Dolan

    Edward Dolan Guest

    "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Ed, I searched this ng and see (in the last 3800 posts) that you have in fact contributed about
    > responses that were not political. My apologies.

    I don't give a hoot what you have turned up in your researches about me and my posts. I don't need
    your permission or approval to be here. Grow up!

    > You know, Ed, if you feel so strongly about the situation in Iraq, you could offer your services.
    > Unfortunately for me, I have already served my 20 years active duty and can not rejoin. (I retired
    > at the age of 44, moved to the Netherlands, and my love for biking flourished here.)

    I only feel strongly about all the inane liberal extremist left-wing wacko nut posting that goes on
    here. If you nuts would stop doing that then that would be the last you would ever hear from me,
    except on those very rare occasions when I could contribute something to a recumbent related topic.

    > I would start by doing some push ups and some light jogging. Who knows, you might actually be able
    > to put your body into action instead of just your mouth All the best, your buddy in the
    > Netherlands, Dave Horne

    It is hard for me to believe you could ever have been a member of the armed forces of the US. But in
    any event with your present attitude about the US, it's leadership and our foreign policy I am glad
    that you are now a resident of a pygmy nation like the Netherlands. I trust you have not given up
    your American citizenship to become a citizen of that wretched little country. I am hoping at the
    least that you no longer vote in our elections. That would be some consolation to me.

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota
     
  12. Edward Dolan

    Edward Dolan Guest

    "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Skip, if you view your screen of this ng to show who initiated a thread and use my name, you will
    > see I have initiated a few threads. I see you have not initiated any thread re biking. I have gone
    > back so that I have more than 3800 messages on my screen.
    >
    > I bike a great deal and am interested in buying a hybrid, but I guess you don't read the latest
    > threads since your only concern is right wing politics.
    >
    > I see the best defense is an offense, hey Skippy boy?

    Boy! This guy has got recumbents on the brain the way some of these liberal nuts have got oil on the
    brain with respect to why we are in Iraq. Unless you are posting all the time about recumbents, and
    no less initiating posts about recumbents, then you are persona non grata on this forum.

    I can count the conservatives who post on this news group on the fingers of one hand whereas the
    liberals who post on this newsgroup are as numerous as gnats and just as pesky. But they want to
    have everything here their own way and cannot tolerate a few lone voices crying in the wilderness
    that is this newsgroup politically speaking. But I have always known that liberals are only tolerant
    when they are ruling the roost; when they are not, they are the most intolerant bastards that ever
    walked the earth. We should just all shut up and go home so they can preen themselves and stroke one
    another with their idiocies uninterrupted by any semblance of sanity. But the times, they are a
    changing. You say something stupid, I will be here for you.

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota
     
  13. Edward Dolan

    Edward Dolan Guest

    "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... ............

    Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

    Most people are conservatives - period. And for good reason. If you want to change society by
    radical means then the burden of proof falls on you. Most attempts to change societies have been
    abysmal failures and disasters. That is why most people are conservatives. A stupid conservative
    person is not going to nearly cause the amount of damage that a "smart" liberal person is going to
    cause. That is also the reason that most Democrats are also quite conservative. It is only the
    liberal extremist left-wing wacko nuts that are not. Your quote from Mill is not wrong but it is
    incomplete.

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota
     
  14. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Edward Dolan wrote:
    >
    > Hey Skip, someone will always be trolling for me because I add a little excitement to their dull
    > lives and to what would otherwise be a very dull newsgroup. We have an election coming up in
    > 2004....

    I believe that some contributors to this NG are not from the US.

    Tom Sherman - Vive la France
     
  15. Skip

    Skip Guest

    "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > skip wrote:
    > > ... Do you even ride a recumbent or are you here just to troll for Ed?...
    >
    > I thought this was the inheritance tax discussion newsgroup. ;)
    >

    That was a long time ago and you've got a good memory. Since we had that discussion the exclusion
    has gone up. I believe it is now up to a million and going higher. The death tax, I think, will
    eventually be eliminated. I know how bitter this pill is for you to swallow.

    President Bush's efforts to save small family businesses and farms are much appreciated. This would
    include most of the recumbent manufacturers businesses I would think (on topic content for those
    taking notice).

    skip
     
  16. Dh

    Dh Guest

    > You say you have more than 3800 messages on your screen? You must have a really big screen or
    > those must be really tiny messages.

    With Outlook Express I can easily see how many unread messages are in this folder.
    >
    > Anyway it's for sure my interest in hybrids is essentially nil.

    Good for you.

    >
    > Why is it that there always seems to be some liberal out there just
    itching
    > to initiate one these off topic political flame threads. Give it rest
    DH.
    > Go buy yourself a hybrid and ride it. Or do more google searches. Or
    start
    > a motorless moped newsgroup. Or whatever.

    I was first introduced to the non-bike topic with the Re: funny thread. Who started that
    thread Skippy?

    --
    This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses.
    Dubya (Bush the Younger)
     
  17. Dh

    Dh Guest

    I do find it amazing how verbally abusive the right wingers are. When an argument is lacking, make
    the attack personal (a lesson from Rush).

    Ed, my blood pressure is just fine and so are my mental faculties; thank you for your concern just
    the same. Having retired at 44, I've learned to pace myself.

    --
    It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from
    overseas. Duyba
     
  18. Dh

    Dh Guest

    Ed, since you've verbally attacked the Netherlands (the typical approach for dittoheads, attack when
    you know nothing about a subject), I should point out that all European countries (check out the CIA
    World Fact Book http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/ ) have higher life expectancy rates
    and lower infant mortality rates than the US. That surprised me. The standard of living (using only
    those stats) is obviously higher. We pay more in taxes (yes, I pay US and Dutch taxes), but we get
    more back from the gov't in services. That is changing because we have a right leaning gov't at the
    moment which no doubt should make you happy.

    I don't vote here, but the voting machines are on a higher lever than the US ... electronic ... what
    a surprise. The US should upgrade and use third world 'machines' .... wooden boxes with piece of
    paper instead of the advanced technology we used in Florida.

    Oh, another measure of the standard of living ... the average height of the average Dutch citizen.
    They are 4 cm taller than the average US citizen. The Dutch are the tallest people on the planet.
    This is not due to genetics, but better health care and better living. (I tried to provide a link to
    an article in Time magazine, Oct 14, 1996, but the link was invalid.)

    Other interesting things re Holland - the first country to legalize

    can be prescribed for pain relief. We have bike paths throughout the _entire_ country. When a new
    living area is built, a bike path is included as part of the plan, that goes without saying. It's a
    well organized country ... and the US could learn something from Holland and other European
    countries. Most Dutch speak two or more languages. The standard of education is higher here than in
    the US. The summer vacation is measured in weeks, not months. Everyone is entitled to a college
    education, period. (I don't know the specifics re the costs, but money is not an issue re
    education.)

    The average person here loves America and Americans, but thinks Bush is an idiot and his policies
    failed. I never have to defend Bush because, well, he is an idiot ... he rarely speaks unscripted
    these days, ever notice that? ... (to the detriment of all those guys making money simply selling
    quotations of our semi-literate leader).

    Also, most Europeans know much more about American politics than the other way around. Europeans
    think of Americans (in general) as being provincial. I don't consider myself worldly, but I am
    constantly confronted with different cultures and different view points. It broadens one's view of
    the world.

    So Ed, are you going to join the fight, sorry, are you going to join the peace in Iraq or are you
    going to remain an arm chair warrior?

    --
    The fundamental question is: 'Will I be a successful president when it comes to foreign policy?' I
    will be, but until I'm the president, it's going to be hard for me to verify that I think I'll be
    more effective. Dubya
     
  19. Dh

    Dh Guest

    Who initiated the Re: funny post? That was my introduction to the rabid right.
     
  20. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Edward Dolan wrote:
    > ... It is hard for me to believe you could ever have been a member of the armed forces of the US.
    > But in any event with your present attitude about the US, it's leadership and our foreign policy I
    > am glad that you are now a resident of a pygmy nation like the Netherlands....

    Actually, the Dutch are supposedly on average the tallest people in Europe. Hardly a nation
    of pygmies.

    Tom Sherman - Vive la France
     
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