OT: The Passion of the Christ



On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:45:53 GMT, Julia Altshuler
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Gabby wrote:
>
>
> > Well, the fast was meant to be a sacrifice -- unless
> > you absolutely hate fish I don't think salmon or
> > lobster count as sacrificial food.
>
>
> I'm not Xian and haven't done recent research, but I
> thought the fish on Friday thing was a nod to the
> fisherman lobby which was suffering hard financial times.
> By giving a religious reason for telling people to eat
> only fish once a week, no other meat, the Church gave the
> fisherman's sales a boost.
>
Fish on Friday is not a modern idea.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments
 
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:45:53 GMT, Julia Altshuler
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Gabby wrote:
>
>
> > Well, the fast was meant to be a sacrifice -- unless
> > you absolutely hate fish I don't think salmon or
> > lobster count as sacrificial food.
>
>
> I'm not Xian and haven't done recent research, but I
> thought the fish on Friday thing was a nod to the
> fisherman lobby which was suffering hard financial times.
> By giving a religious reason for telling people to eat
> only fish once a week, no other meat, the Church gave the
> fisherman's sales a boost.
>
Fish on Friday is not a modern idea.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments
 
In article <5cZ3c.4539$C51.41407@attbi_s52>,
Julia Altshuler <[email protected]> wrote:

> Gabby wrote:
>
>
> > Well, the fast was meant to be a sacrifice -- unless you
> > absolutely hate fish I don't think salmon or lobster
> > count as sacrificial food.
>
>

So a druidic Friday would be:

Save a fish, eat a virgin????? <lol>

Just kidding. ;-)

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In article <5cZ3c.4539$C51.41407@attbi_s52>,
Julia Altshuler <[email protected]> wrote:

> Gabby wrote:
>
>
> > Well, the fast was meant to be a sacrifice -- unless you
> > absolutely hate fish I don't think salmon or lobster
> > count as sacrificial food.
>
>

So a druidic Friday would be:

Save a fish, eat a virgin????? <lol>

Just kidding. ;-)

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"Gabby" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Julia Altshuler" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:5cZ3c.4539$C51.41407@attbi_s52...
>> Gabby wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Well, the fast was meant to be a sacrifice -- unless
>> > you absolutely hate fish I don't think salmon or
>> > lobster count as sacrificial food.
>>
>>
>> I'm not Xian and haven't done recent research, but I
>> thought the fish on Friday thing was a nod to the
>> fisherman lobby which was suffering hard financial times.
>> By giving a religious reason for telling people to eat
>> only fish once a week, no other meat, the Church gave the
>> fisherman's sales a boost.
>
> Abstaining from meat was required but we didn't HAVE to
> eat fish. We were/are quite free to eat vegetarian if we
> wanted. The interesting thing is that we could eat whale,
> seal, etc things that we know are meat but that the church
> considered fish because of where they lived.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not too bright were they?

> Gabby
 
"Gabby" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Julia Altshuler" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:5cZ3c.4539$C51.41407@attbi_s52...
>> Gabby wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Well, the fast was meant to be a sacrifice -- unless
>> > you absolutely hate fish I don't think salmon or
>> > lobster count as sacrificial food.
>>
>>
>> I'm not Xian and haven't done recent research, but I
>> thought the fish on Friday thing was a nod to the
>> fisherman lobby which was suffering hard financial times.
>> By giving a religious reason for telling people to eat
>> only fish once a week, no other meat, the Church gave the
>> fisherman's sales a boost.
>
> Abstaining from meat was required but we didn't HAVE to
> eat fish. We were/are quite free to eat vegetarian if we
> wanted. The interesting thing is that we could eat whale,
> seal, etc things that we know are meat but that the church
> considered fish because of where they lived.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not too bright were they?

> Gabby
 
Levelwave© wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> However, the actress (Bebe Neuwirth) who portrays
>> Frasier's ex wife is probably a stunning example of the
>> cold ***** Lilith was supposed to be ;-)
>
>
> I always found her strangely seductive... Don't ask why...
>
> ~john

She's a good actress! When you see her in other things you
have to do a double-take and I always find myself thinking
"Isn't that the *****, Lilith?" ROFL

Jill
 
Levelwave© wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> However, the actress (Bebe Neuwirth) who portrays
>> Frasier's ex wife is probably a stunning example of the
>> cold ***** Lilith was supposed to be ;-)
>
>
> I always found her strangely seductive... Don't ask why...
>
> ~john

She's a good actress! When you see her in other things you
have to do a double-take and I always find myself thinking
"Isn't that the *****, Lilith?" ROFL

Jill
 
[email protected] wrote:

> Darryl L. Pierce <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'd *love* to see a movie version of either Barney Miller
>> or Fish. :)
>
> Who knows, it might happen. I wonder when those two shows
> will come out on DVD. It seems as if lots of old shows are
> being released on
> DVD. For example, a friend of mine recently bought the
> Green Acres series on DVD.

I've seen The Beverly Hillbillies, The Andy Griffith Show
and things like Laurel & Hardy on $5.88 DVD sets at Walmart.
 
"Jack Schidt®" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "zxcvbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> berlin.de...
> >

<<snip>>

> What strikes me as truly funny now is looking back to the
> 'fish on friday' days of my life and remembering that we
> (and most others that I knew at
the
> time) didn't eat fish on friday so much as we ate some
> fish product.
Think
> fish sticks, tuna casserole, etc. Never a nice pan seared
> salmon filet
or
> fresh trout or anything like that. I can't pass the
> freezer case in my grocery without cracking up when I see
> the packages of Mrs Paul's Manta
Ray.

What makes it even more funny is there is no biblical reason
to not eat meat on Fridays! It all came about way back when,
when the fishermen were starving and went to the Pope with
their complaint. The Pope decided to help them out by
pronouncing "Do NOT eat meat on Fridays! Eat Fish!".

Now, we take it as church dogma. Go figure.

Bret

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"Maverick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> What makes it even more funny is there is no biblical
> reason to not eat
meat
> on Fridays! It all came about way back when, when the
> fishermen were starving and went to the Pope with their
> complaint. The Pope decided to help them out by
> pronouncing "Do NOT eat meat on Fridays! Eat Fish!".
>
> Now, we take it as church dogma. Go figure.
>
> Bret

I'm not sure of when or how, but it is more symbolism than
dietary. It was supposed to show some form of suffering by
fasting on Friday.

I could never rationalize it though. Why am I forbidden to
good an old wiener found in the back of the fridge from last
holiday picnic, but yet it is OK to go have the lobster
dinner at a posh restaurant?

It is no longer a requirement not eat meat, but just about
every restaurant in New England still has Fish & Chips for
the Friday special. Ed [email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
 
In article <[email protected]>, zxcvbob
<[email protected]> wrote:

> If I was gonna give up something for Lent, and really have
> it be meaningful, it should probably be coffee. I thought
> about it this year but didn't do it. Maybe next year. I'm
> a Baptist and Lent is not part of my tradition, but I
> think it's a good tradition as long as it's a personal
> commitment and not some kind of edict.

Well, I've been in liturgical churches almost all of my
Christian life, and I've never had any Lent police come
down on me if I ate meat on Friday or something full of
eggs and dairy during Lent. ;) I've never been involved
in a church where it was mandatory, though the meals we'd
have at church would fall in line with those "rules."
Sundays are always feast days, even during Lent, so that
is when we eat things like birthday cake for a little boy
born during Lent.

Regards, Ranee

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In article <[email protected]>, "Jack
Schidt®" <[email protected]> wrote:

> What strikes me as truly funny now is looking back to the
> 'fish on friday' days of my life and remembering that we
> (and most others that I knew at the time) didn't eat fish
> on friday so much as we ate some fish product. Think fish
> sticks, tuna casserole, etc. Never a nice pan seared
> salmon filet or fresh trout or anything like that. I can't
> pass the freezer case in my grocery without cracking up
> when I see the packages of Mrs Paul's Manta Ray.

Whereas, I wouldn't serve fish sticks or whatever,
because they are fried and full of other non-Lenten
ingredients. ;)

Regards, Ranee

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In article <[email protected]>, "Maverick"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> The Pope decided to help them out by pronouncing "Do NOT
> eat meat on Fridays! Eat Fish!".
>
> Now, we take it as church dogma. Go figure

That's not actually true. You would do well to read up on
church history. The Lenten abstentions and fast days were
meant as spiritual discipline, the allowance for fish
(note, not a mandate to eat it, but the allowance for it)
was made later.

Regards, Ranee

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In article <[email protected]>, "Edwin
Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm not sure of when or how, but it is more symbolism than
> dietary. It was supposed to show some form of suffering by
> fasting on Friday.

Each Friday is to remind us of Good Friday, and we are to
abstain, fast, something to commemorate that.

> I could never rationalize it though. Why am I forbidden to
> good an old wiener found in the back of the fridge from
> last holiday picnic, but yet it is OK to go have the
> lobster dinner at a posh restaurant?

Well, of course, lobster was poor people food until
relatively recently in history.

> It is no longer a requirement not eat meat, but just about
> every restaurant in New England still has Fish & Chips for
> the Friday special.

I keep hearing this about the Roman Catholic church, is that
true? I
know the Orthodox church still keeps all the fast days and
abstentions.

Regards, Ranee

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"Ranee Mueller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>, "Maverick"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The Pope decided to help them out by pronouncing "Do NOT
> > eat meat on Fridays! Eat Fish!".
> >
> > Now, we take it as church dogma. Go figure
>
> That's not actually true. You would do well to read up
> on church history. The Lenten abstentions and fast days
> were meant as spiritual discipline, the allowance for
> fish (note, not a mandate to eat it, but the allowance
> for it) was made later.
>
> Regards, Ranee

Sorry, I'm not that good of a Catholic but I was pretty damn
close, wasn't I? I was just trying to point out the fact
that there was no religious basis to eat fish on Fridays. It
was a purely political move.

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In article <[email protected]>, "Gabby"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Abstaining from meat was required but we didn't HAVE to
> eat fish. We were/are quite free to eat vegetarian if we
> wanted. The interesting thing is that we could eat whale,
> seal, etc things that we know are meat but that the church
> considered fish because of where they lived.

Right. I think also it was a matter of the fishermen's
families
starving from no pay so they petitioned the church to change
the rules.

Regards, Ranee

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"Ranee Mueller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article
> <[email protected]>, "Edwin
> Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It is no longer a requirement not eat meat, but just
> > about every restaurant in New England still has Fish &
> > Chips for the Friday special.
>
> I keep hearing this about the Roman Catholic church, is
> that true? I
>know the Orthodox church still keeps all the fast days and
> abstentions.

The rule of abstinence from meat is still in Canon Law and
applies to all Catholics over the age of 14. I don't know
about other continents, but the US Conference of Catholic
Bishops and the Canadian CCB have the option of allowing
their faithful to substitute other forms of sacrifice or
good works for the abstinence from meat -- so that has been
the practice for a number of years. In the US, Catholics are
still bound by the rule of abstinence on Ash Wednesday and
all Fridays in Lent; in Canada the rule is only applied on
Ash Wednesday & Good Friday.

Gabby
 
I've always wondered......

Whatever happened to all the Catholics who went to Hell for
eating meat on Fridays ?

Did they get Pardoned ? Paroled ?

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:36:59 -0700, "Maverick"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Ranee Mueller" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:raneemdonot-
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>> In article <[email protected]>, "Maverick"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > The Pope decided to help them out by pronouncing "Do
>> > NOT eat meat on Fridays! Eat Fish!".
>> >
>> > Now, we take it as church dogma. Go figure
>>
>> That's not actually true. You would do well to read up
>> on church history. The Lenten abstentions and fast
>> days were meant as spiritual discipline, the allowance
>> for fish (note, not a mandate to eat it, but the
>> allowance for it) was made later.
>>
>> Regards, Ranee
>
>Sorry, I'm not that good of a Catholic but I was pretty
>damn close, wasn't I? I was just trying to point out the
>fact that there was no religious basis to eat fish on
>Fridays. It was a purely political move.
>
>
>
>
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"<RJ>" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I've always wondered......
>
> Whatever happened to all the Catholics who went to Hell
> for eating meat on Fridays ?
>
> Did they get Pardoned ? Paroled ?
>

Neither; they were reborn as vegetarians. bwahahahahaha!!

Jack Tofutopia
 
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