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(Disclaimer: am drunk -bar closed but didn't want to go to club. U.R.C is all that is preventing me
tidying my room instead. Contents of this post will probably not make sense in the morning)
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I could write an essay about this but I don't want to , and you wouldn't want to read it. Instead
I'll just whack down some half arsed scribblings.
> I really don't think its about racism.
This is great. A nice statement like this leaves it slightly ambiguous about what you're debating.
Should you're arguments be rebutted you can fall back on this statement and explain you were talking
about something else entirely. Never, ever define exactly what 'it' is unless you know you can win
the argument.
> The bottom line is:-
>
> 1) This island is getting too overcrowded.
hmmm, debateable. Yes because we are not self sufficient in food, no because there's still room for
plenty more. Last time I bothered to check the figures more people were leaving than coming in
anyway, so it's all a bit pointless getting heated up over this one.
> 2) To much pollution (see 1 above)
Irrelevent. Paragraph was getting to long so I deleted it. You weren't missing much though.
> 3) To much traffic (see 1 above)
Apart from the cause of this essay, immigrants don't create that much traffic. Banning all
immigrants would have no noticeable effect on the amount of traffic. Thus also irrelevent (tho I
suppose it does bring it kind of on topic for this newsgroup - nice one)
> 4) Far to much building on greenfield sites (see 1 above)
Immigrants tend to concentrate in shitty places where no-one else wants to live. Only rich people
(people richer than me. As I'm a student in debt the fact that beggers on the street have no
money[1] means they are WAY richer than me. This makes my definition of rich a tad useless, but see
disclaimer above) buy houses in what used to be a field.
> 5) Too many people entering this country take advantage of our good (soft?) nature
There is nothing soft about the nature of British people. Us Southerners may seem a bit poncey at
times, but go a up north a bit and call 'em soft - you'll not like what happens but it'll prove my
point nicely!
> and then try to to impose their culture on ours
No no no no no - immigrants either try and stay hidden away in their little communities isolated
from us proper British people so that their culture, values and norms are preserved, or try to
integrate themselves. Only idiot liberals try and impose OTHER peoples culture onto us. Actually,
this is not true. Idiot liberals merely suppress out culture - renaming Christmas 'Winter Holidays'
or whatever.
> whilst claiming to be British
You're either English, Welsh or Scottish. Maybe Northern Irish, but we'll wait until they can try
and work out what nationality they want to be in a civilised fashion before we acknowledge their
existence in this post. Anyway, whatever, if they're claiming to be British that kinda contradicts
the imposing of their culture on us statement earlier, but only kind of.
> until we question that imposistion and they then say it's something they had back in their
> motherlands
Is this an Empire thing? Dunno wtf you're on about here.
> Don't even think about telling them to go back to re-discover their roots! (also see 1 above)
They're over here 'cos they want a better life. Whether this is because some
here doesn't matter. Roots are nice but they tend to grow in manure (ask anyone if where they grew
up was a great place to live or the worst place in Britain).
> We have enough problems trying to find affordable housing
But we've got plenty of chip shitty inner city housing that no-one but poor immigrants want. High
house prices are nothing to do with immigrants anyway - it's all about (insert 500 word essay here).
and jobs which
> present enough interest/challenges for the next generations
Immigrants certainly do not go for interesting and challenging jobs! Unless they're highly qualified
doctors or whatever. Then they get to be lowly paid doctors over here!
witout
> having to find all that for people from other countries
No no no no no - people have to find their own jobs!
> clinging to our shirt/benefit tails as economic refugees.
Economic refugees come here to earn money by doing **** jobs. Typically they then go home after a
relatively short time. What they earn is generally used to support people back home. Occasionally
they'll bring the rest of th family over too, I should point out.
Despite what the tabloids say, surviving on benefits is bloody awful, especially when you've got
standards. With the high barriers to entry - particularly the cost if you're coming in illegally,
immigrants tend to be from the upper portions of society. Thus they have standards. People coming in
with diseases - particularly TB, is a problem for the NHS tho. blah blah blah a bit more.
> The best thing we could do, as a nation, is to offer our expertise to develop the infrastructure
> of these impoverished countries, bringing health, wealth and stability so these people can help
> their own motherlands and enjoy their cultures in the places it originated in. That way we could
> retain our heritage and help them develop their countries to such an extent we could all go there
> claiming political asylum whilst enjoying the sunshine in a newly developed and propserous country
> which may actually have a culture we could then influence1
Yep, we're doing that. It's called free trade (along with some other donationy type stuff, generally
tied to arms sales) but for some reason us western countries can't stop trying to screw one over on
them in the trade talks. <insert a couple of hundred words on boring economic stuff here>
There, sobered up now. Thankyou.
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