On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:48:36 -0800, Bill C <
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>> > >Why not? Stalin had already killed 10-20 million.
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>> > HUH?
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>> huh what?
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>Cliffy isn't real rational. I'd doubt he believes that what Soviets
>did was in any way bad, because they meant well and were trying to
>better humanity. Sometimes things don't always go perfectly but when
>it's in the name of "Socialist Justice" it's to be excused, and if
>those people wouldn't object to what their great and wise, visionary
>leaders were trying to do for them, then this wouldn't have happened.
>It's all those scumbags faults for questioning the path of Socialism,
>and since they were too stupid to know what was good for them, and
>everyone else they needed to be dealt with anyway.
> He's fully in favor of the Soviet policy of putting "Mentally sick
>criminals" like human rights activists into mental health facilities
>because it's obvious they have a disease isn't it, when they object to
>the State's great plans.
> Normally he's one of the few people I ignore. He's a lot like Gunner.
>The only difference being whom they want to send off to the camps,
>really. There's not a whole lot of freedom in either of their visions
>for dissent.
Gummer & crew just love to count the effects of WW-II on
the USSR as deaths caused by Stalin those in China as caused
by Mao.
The USSR alone has about 23,600,000 (or over 13%
of the total population) die while China lost 20,000,000
(or about 4% of it's population).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
I went over the numbers a bit back and, if you
exclude WW-II, those that claim such numbers must be
rather unmitigated liars. Nor do they account for
weather-related deaths (famines & floods).
One would otherwise have seen sharp drops in population
statistics ... and they are not there to support the winger
claims.
Not that Stalin was not a winger towards the end ..
they'd have voted for him just as their crew was supporting
****** prior to WW-II. The darling of the right-wing.
I'll also point out that to a very large degree it was US policy
that drove both Mao & Stalin after WW-II. The US WAS
out to get them. AFTER they had helped win WW-II.
Who to trust? Not the US.
HTH
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Cliff