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  1. Mark Hickey said:

    If you've never fasted for a day or two, you might be surprised the clarity of thought it produces
    (obviously, I'm not fasting now, huh?). ;-)

    Screw that. Being from the 60's, I like to jolt myself with
    psychedelic drugs or high THC pot to get the same effect with less effort ;-)

    Of course, the same hypocritical right wing fanatics who say "get government off our backs" when
    it comes to paying taxes and screwing people over in their business practices make an exception
    for what I

    acts), and make it illegal. Explain that logic.

    And now they want to make it the business of government to espouse a particular religion.

    We live in strange and difficult times.

    --dt

  2. GT said, > Why is it negative to think I have free will? Why does our Nation need

    Quoted message said:

    guidance from an imaginary being? Is this the 12th century?

    Christians have always sought out guidance since before the 12th century.

    Quoted message said:

    Adding up all the Baptist congregations in the USA they form the largest religious group. It's
    called tyranny of the majority.

    Its called doctrinally correct. Could it be that Baptists are fundamentalists and seek the truth
    through scripture and is attractive to the Christian faith? Why do sincere Mtbers buy from a LBS
    rather then Walmart?

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    Yes, I see our dead soldiers. I guess they served a false god.

    How ignorant! How can you compare? The numbers speek for themself. A righteous Nation is prevailing.
    We are in a just war and will win.

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    There you go, I must be dark because I don't believe in myth and legend. Exactly the attitude that
    this resolution encourages.

    No no. Like I said before, things are more black and white then you think. You are not dark, just in
    the dark. I was once in the dark and wondered about the light. I can now see the light and try to
    stay away from darkness. What good can it bring?

    It is not my intent to preach or indoctrinate anyone. I'm simply stating how I believe. You have
    freedom to do as you wish and choose to believe in God or not. I have been a Christian since '82 and
    know where I stand. I have not had a peachy life but have had many filling times and do believe I
    have had help through rough times. I feel secure in the fact that my sin has been forgiven and I
    have an advocate when I will finally stand before the judgement seat. I consider myself a dependable
    person and steadfast in life. I'm content pretty much whereever I'm at in work or play. I will
    support our leadership and President's request as will 75% of Judeao Christian America.

    Cleanbean

  3. "John Harlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5q0ha.266233$qi4.149378@rwcrnsc54...

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    A typical response from someone opposed to faith in God. Are you going


    to

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    throw the baby out with the bath water! Sure there are religious freaks


    out

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    there but your blasting religion in General and specifically "Baptist"


    is

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    offensive. I don't see any harm with our Leadership asking for a day of fasting and prayer. I
    welcome it. I think it will be respected by


    other

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    Nations as well as Christians within our own Nation. If you haven't


    noticed

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    the "Gray" in our society is getting more black and white. Good and


    evil

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    are becoming more distinguishable. Either "God" is or He isn't. One


    can

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    cop out with negative remarks such as yours or one can have faith and


    hope

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    that we do have a Supreme Being to guide us, our Nation in our time of need.

    And what of Iraq's "time of need"? Or does God hate them? Then why did


    he

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    make them? It was all just a cruel joke?

    Quoted message said:

    People are all warm and fuzzy until something tragic happens in their


    life.

    Quoted message said:

    Soldiers will tell you there are no atheists in fox holes. Faith and


    hope

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    are the only thing that some people have. I'll go a step further; If


    you

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    think that religion is the cause of wars and evil then I believe we need


    to

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    look at what "god" we are serving. For those that serve the righteous


    God

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    will reap good will. I think we've seen the result of those that serve a false god such as the
    ones we are at war with.

    And this is what is scariest about people like you. You actually believe your God is the "right"
    one and any other beliefs are "wrong" - to the


    point

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    of justifying killing them for it. How conceited!

    Quoted message said:

    Come over from the dark side. You just might see the light.

    Open your eyes. Look at what's going on around you.


    On the contrary. We are not killing people for what they believe. We are killing them for their
    actions. Iraq is only reaping what they sowed. You can sit around on your butt while Tyrants kill
    their own people and produce WMD indangering the whole world, but not me.

    My eyes are open. I see good and evil at work. You see only gray. You don't think the war effort is
    justified? Do you think Sadam will be contained? Open your eyes man!

    Cleanbean

  4. "Doug Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Hickey said:

    If you've never fasted for a day or two, you might be surprised the clarity of thought it
    produces (obviously, I'm not fasting now, huh?). ;-)

    Screw that. Being from the 60's, I like to jolt myself with
    psychedelic drugs or high THC pot to get the same effect with less effort ;-)

    Of course, the same hypocritical right wing fanatics who say "get government off our backs" when
    it comes to paying taxes and screwing people over in their business practices make an exception
    for what I

    Quoted message said:

    acts), and make it illegal. Explain that logic.

    That's easy logic. You are not coherent enough or wise enough to care about your own body or someone
    else's body that would be a by product of your recklessness while under the influence. The
    Government has to outlaw drugs so you don't ruin yourself or others.

    Quoted message said:

    And now they want to make it the business of government to espouse a particular religion.

    We live in strange and difficult times.

    --dt

    You think these are difficult times? Ask folks in other countries where their next meal comes from
    and then ask yourself how difficult life is.

    Cleanbean

  5. "Cleanbean" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    I don't see any harm with our Leadership asking for a day of fasting and prayer. I welcome it.

    Ramadan's over for this year, dude.

    CC

  6. Mark H says:

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    I didn't see anything religion-specific in the article to get all worked up about.

    Nothing specific, but ANY religion mixed up with Gov't affairs should be a no-no. Prayer is
    religious - period.

    STeve

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
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    of justifying killing them for it. How conceited!

    Quoted message said:

    Come over from the dark side. You just might see the light.

    Open your eyes. Look at what's going on around you.


    On the contrary. We are not killing people for what they believe. We are killing them for their
    actions. Iraq is only reaping what they sowed. You can sit around on your butt while Tyrants kill
    their own people and produce WMD indangering the whole world, but not me.

    My eyes are open. I see good and evil at work. You see only gray. You don't think the war effort
    is justified? Do you think Sadam will be contained? Open your eyes man!

    Cleanbean

    Oh christ, where to begin on this one...
    --
    _________________________
    Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.com

  8. Some man do nothing but complain.

    Fire up MTB 03

  9. "Stephen Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mark H says:

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't see anything religion-specific in the article to get all worked up about.

    Nothing specific, but ANY religion mixed up with Gov't affairs should be a no-no. Prayer is
    religious - period.

    STeve

    Where does it say, "In God we Trust"? Did our forefathers make a mistake? Has the United States of
    America been prosperous since? Something is happening that isn't right here. Some would have us take
    the Pledge of Allegiance and "under God" out of it. What is happening to us? Are we getting so open
    minded our brains are falling out? (chuckle) I don't think when the Constitution was written and
    spelled out separation of chruch and state they wanted God out of the picture.

    Cleanbean

  10. "Cleanbean" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    |
    | "Stephen Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | "]news:[email hidden]...
    | > Mark H says:
    | >
    | > >I didn't see anything religion-specific in the article to get all worked up about.
    | >
    | > Nothing specific, but ANY religion mixed up with Gov't affairs should
    be a
    | > no-no. Prayer is religious - period.
    | >
    | > STeve
    |
    | Where does it say, "In God we Trust"? Did our forefathers make a
    mistake?
    | Has the United States of America been prosperous since? Something is happening that isn't right
    | here. Some would have us take the Pledge of Allegiance and "under God" out of it. What is
    | happening to us? Are we getting so open minded our brains are falling out? (chuckle) I don't
    think
    | when the Constitution was written and spelled out separation of chruch
    and
    | state they wanted God out of the picture.

    Before you make yourself look like any more of an ignorant religious nut case, you might want to
    educate yourself about the views that our forefathers had regarding religion, Christianity, and God.

    --
    Pete Fagerlin

    Save Fruita trails! petefagerlin.combookcliffs.htm

  11. "Cleanbean" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Doug Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Hickey said:

    If you've never fasted for a day or two, you might be surprised the clarity of thought it
    produces (obviously, I'm not fasting now, huh?). ;-)

    Screw that. Being from the 60's, I like to jolt myself with
    psychedelic drugs or high THC pot to get the same effect with less effort ;-)

    Of course, the same hypocritical right wing fanatics who say "get government off our backs" when
    it comes to paying taxes and screwing people over in their business practices make an exception
    for what I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    acts), and make it illegal. Explain that logic.

    That's easy logic. You are not coherent enough or wise enough to care


    about

    Quoted message said:

    your own body or someone else's body that would be a by product of your recklessness while under
    the influence. The Government has to outlaw


    drugs

    Quoted message said:

    so you don't ruin yourself or others.

    Not true. It is about making money. It is about making billions of dollars.

    darsh

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    And now they want to make it the business of government to espouse a particular religion.

    We live in strange and difficult times.

    --dt

    You think these are difficult times? Ask folks in other countries where their next meal comes from
    and then ask yourself how difficult life is.

    Cleanbean

  12. CleanBean says:

    Quoted message said:

    One can cop out with negative remarks such as yours or one can have faith and hope that we do have
    a Supreme Being to guide us, our Nation in our time of need.

    The problem now is that we are breaking one of his 10 commandments - and the Bog One at that. "Thou
    shalt not kill". It doesn't matter if someone is shooting at tyou or not, the rule is
    self-explanatory. So, for GW to claim that here is a religious feeling behind the war is hypocracy
    of the worst kind, and the worst kind of religious zealotry (the one that makes people use religion
    to suit their own ends). If Bush were a true Christian, we woyuld not be at war and the Army would
    not have guns.

    Steve - and I said I was going ot stay out of this......

  13. "P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Cleanbean" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    |
    | "Stephen Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | "]news:[email hidden]...
    | > Mark H says:
    | >
    | > >I didn't see anything religion-specific in the article to get all worked up about.
    | >
    | > Nothing specific, but ANY religion mixed up with Gov't affairs should
    be a
    | > no-no. Prayer is religious - period.
    | >
    | > STeve
    |
    | Where does it say, "In God we Trust"? Did our forefathers make a
    mistake?
    | Has the United States of America been prosperous since? Something is happening that isn't right
    | here. Some would have us take the Pledge of Allegiance and "under God" out of it. What is
    | happening to us? Are we getting so open minded our brains are falling out? (chuckle) I don't
    think
    | when the Constitution was written and spelled out separation of chruch
    and
    | state they wanted God out of the picture.

    Before you make yourself look like any more of an ignorant religious nut case, you might want to
    educate yourself about the views that our forefathers had regarding religion, Christianity, and
    God. Pete Fagerlin

    Save Fruita trails! petefagerlin.combookcliffs.htm

    I'll do that Pete. In the meantime why don't you refresh us? Were they so strong about their views
    that they would print it on our currency?

    Cleanbean

  14. "Cleanbean" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    | > | Where does it say, "In God we Trust"? Did our forefathers make a
    | > mistake?
    | > | Has the United States of America been prosperous since? Something is happening that isn't
    | > | right here. Some would have us take the Pledge
    of
    | > | Allegiance and "under God" out of it. What is happening to us? Are
    we
    | > | getting so open minded our brains are falling out? (chuckle) I don't
    | > think
    | > | when the Constitution was written and spelled out separation of
    chruch
    | > and
    | > | state they wanted God out of the picture.
    | >
    | > Before you make yourself look like any more of an ignorant religious
    nut
    | > case, you might want to educate yourself about the views that our forefathers had regarding
    | > religion, Christianity, and God.

    | I'll do that Pete. In the meantime why don't you refresh us? Were they
    so
    | strong about their views that they would print it on our currency?

    I warned you thumper and you didn't heed my advice.

    Your ignorance is appalling, yet all too common amongst thumpers.

    IN GOD WE TRUST was not printed on our currency by our forefathers nimrod.

    It was added to the two cent coin in 1864 and wasn't added to paper money until 1957.

    Now would be a great time to start educating yourself.

  15. I said:

    and the Bog One at that.

    Leave it to me to screw up something like the BIG one... ;-)

    Steve

  16. Doug Taylor <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Hickey said:

    If you've never fasted for a day or two, you might be surprised the clarity of thought it
    produces (obviously, I'm not fasting now, huh?). ;-)

    Screw that. Being from the 60's, I like to jolt myself with
    psychedelic drugs or high THC pot to get the same effect with less effort ;-)

    Of course, the same hypocritical right wing fanatics who say "get government off our backs" when
    it comes to paying taxes and screwing people over in their business practices make an exception
    for what I

    Quoted message said:

    acts), and make it illegal. Explain that logic.

    And now they want to make it the business of government to espouse a particular religion.

    Now I read it over quickly and couldn't see which "particular religion" our government is espousing.
    Did you? Catholic? Protestant? Methodist? Lutheran? Unitarian? Zoroastrian? Unitarian? Satanism?
    Atheism? Humanism? New Age?

    Paladin

    Quoted message said:


    We live in strange and difficult times.

    --dt

  17. "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    loudspeakers spread across the land:

    cnn.comindex.html

    Greg

    I suppose if the election had gone the other way, we could have had a proclamation for a National
    Day of Stupidity. And greepeacers would be out like and army with loudspeakers calling us to hug
    trees. Just a thought...

    Paladin

  18. "Cleanbean" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    GT said, > Why is it negative to think I have free will? Why does our Nation need

    Quoted message said:

    guidance from an imaginary being? Is this the 12th century?

    Christians have always sought out guidance since before the 12th century.

    Quoted message said:

    Adding up all the Baptist congregations in the USA they form the largest religious group. It's
    called tyranny of the majority.

    Its called doctrinally correct. Could it be that Baptists are fundamentalists and seek the truth
    through scripture and is attractive to the Christian faith? Why do sincere Mtbers buy from a LBS
    rather then Walmart?

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, I see our dead soldiers. I guess they served a false god.

    How ignorant! How can you compare? The numbers speek for themself. A righteous Nation is
    prevailing. We are in a just war and will win.

    Quoted message said:

    There you go, I must be dark because I don't believe in myth and legend. Exactly the attitude
    that this resolution encourages.

    No no. Like I said before, things are more black and white then you


    think.

    Quoted message said:

    You are not dark, just in the dark. I was once in the dark and wondered about the light. I can now
    see the light and try to stay away from darkness. What good can it bring?

    It is not my intent to preach or indoctrinate anyone. I'm simply stating how I believe. You have
    freedom to do as you wish and choose to believe


    in

    Quoted message said:

    God or not. I have been a Christian since '82 and know where I stand. I have not had a peachy life
    but have had many filling times and do believe


    I

    Quoted message said:

    have had help through rough times. I feel secure in the fact that my sin has been forgiven and I
    have an advocate when I will finally stand before the judgement seat. I consider myself a
    dependable person and steadfast


    in

    Quoted message said:

    life. I'm content pretty much whereever I'm at in work or play. I will support our leadership and
    President's request as will 75% of Judeao Christian America.

    Cleanbean

    I've followed this thread with increasing amounts of shock and awe, as well as hilarity. But, now I
    have to tell you that you're just the kind of religious nutcase that puts the fear into freedom
    loving people everywhere!

    BTW, is that 75% of white judeao Christian America? And where do you get 75% from anyway? Is that
    the same 75% who believe Iraq was responsible for the Twin Towers atrocity.?

    Bush, and his sleazy governments' links to the Christian right and corrupt industrialists are ever
    increasingly exposed by those media organisations which don't themselves have their own reasons for
    supporting his government and their policies. More so since the war began in Iraq.

    Pete Fagerlin is too kind in restricting his description of you as a 'thumper', a "righteous nation
    prevailing" indeed! There's no need to subscribe to outlandish conspiracy theories about the
    political Right in America to understand that a coup happened when the Supreme Court ruled for Bush,
    and that Bush and the religious right are gradually eroding the American Constitution and hard won
    individual rights. And clearly you are one of the 'crowd' who subscribe to religious hijacking of
    the body politic, and Bush's warped political agenda.

    It's people like you slavishly supporting Bush's dangerous policies out of some religious zeal that
    have damaged some of the genuine goodwill and sympathy that many people around the world have for
    America, particularly since 9/11, and have given just cause for the fear many in the Muslim world
    have of 'Christian' America. Worse, you and those like you, in your attitudes and support for Bush
    have managed to outrage and inflame moderates in the Muslim community around the world.

    Ian (the atheist in the foxhole) Rogers

  19. Paladin said:

    "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>..

    Quoted message said:

    ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    loudspeakers spread across the land:

    cnn.comindex.html

    Greg

    I suppose if the election had gone the other way, we could have had a proclamation for a National
    Day of Stupidity. And greepeacers would be out like and army with loudspeakers calling us to hug
    trees. Just a thought...

    Paladin

    What, you mean if GW Bush had won the election? I can see the national day of stupidity thing, but
    not the tree-hugging...

    Miles

    --
    Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: opera.comm2

  20. "Ian Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    | I've followed this thread with increasing amounts of shock and awe, as well as hilarity. But, now
    | I have to tell you that you're just the kind of religious nutcase that puts the fear into freedom
    | loving people everywhere!
    |
    | BTW, is that 75% of white judeao Christian America? And where do you get 75% from anyway? Is that
    | the same 75% who believe Iraq was responsible for the Twin Towers atrocity.?
    |
    | Bush, and his sleazy governments' links to the Christian right and corrupt industrialists are ever
    | increasingly exposed by those media organisations which don't themselves have their own reasons
    | for supporting his government and their policies. More so since the war began in Iraq.
    |
    | Pete Fagerlin is too kind in restricting his description of you as a 'thumper', a "righteous
    | nation prevailing" indeed! There's no need to subscribe to outlandish conspiracy theories about
    | the political Right in America to understand that a coup happened when the Supreme Court ruled for
    | Bush, and that Bush and the religious right are gradually eroding the American Constitution and
    | hard won individual rights. And clearly you are one of the 'crowd' who subscribe to religious
    | hijacking of the body politic, and Bush's warped political agenda.
    |
    | It's people like you slavishly supporting Bush's dangerous policies out of some religious zeal
    | that have damaged some of the genuine goodwill and sympathy that many people around the world have
    | for America, particularly since 9/11, and have given just cause for the fear many in the Muslim
    | world have of 'Christian' America. Worse, you and those like you, in your attitudes and support
    | for Bush have managed to outrage and inflame moderates in the Muslim community around the world.
    |

    |
    | Ian (the atheist in the foxhole) Rogers

    Isn't usenet great?

    We can both agree that cleanbean the revival dancing machine is a thumper yet I strongly disagree
    with your Bush/Supreme Court/religious hijacking screed.

    --
    Pete Fagerlin

    Save Fruita trails! petefagerlin.combookcliffs.htm

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