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  1. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church in
    this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers
    spread across the land:

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html

    Greg

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    "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
     
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  2. Slacker

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    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    > loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >
    > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >
    > Greg

    Awesome, isn't it!

    What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
    free exercise thereof" are you having trouble with?

    --
    Slacker
     
  3. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Slacker wrote:
    > "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    >>...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    >>in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    >>loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >>
    >>http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >>
    >>Greg
    >
    >
    >
    > Awesome, isn't it!

    Pretty disgusting, actually. We're well on our way to fanaticism and the dark ages. Can't wait for
    the call to prayers 10 times a day. Gotta show we're more pious than the those heathens.

    >
    > What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting
    > the free exercise thereof" are you having trouble with?
    >

    No problem with that. But I don't know how Congress reconciles "Americans should use the day of
    prayer to seek guidance from God" with the above words.

    Greg

    --
    "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
     
  4. Slacker

    Slacker Guest

    > > "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:p[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > >>in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    > >>loudspeakers spread across the land:
    > >>
    > >>http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    > >>
    > >>Greg
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Awesome, isn't it!
    >
    > Pretty disgusting, actually. We're well on our way to fanaticism and the dark ages. Can't wait for
    > the call to prayers 10 times a day. Gotta show we're more pious than the those heathens.
    >
    > >
    > > What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting
    > > the free exercise thereof" are you having trouble with?
    > >
    >
    > No problem with that. But I don't know how Congress reconciles "Americans should use the day of
    > prayer to seek guidance from God" with the above words.
    >
    > Greg

    Well, a Resolution is one thing, but just as long as they don't even think of passing some
    stupid religion law (pro-Christian or otherwise), I don't care what they say/do. Does anyone
    actually listen to them anyway; They're probably just trying to cover their arse for the next
    election campaign.

    Did you see that twin towers mural in that Iraqi gov building?
    --
    Slacker
     
  5. Ctg

    Ctg Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > in this country. Soon we'll have an army
    of
    > Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >
    > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >
    > Greg
    >
    > --
    > "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and
    > hard, just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

    First "Freedom Fries", now this, what a class act.. What can we throw in the

    Chris
     
  6. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

  7. Kathleen

    Kathleen Guest

    G.T. wrote:
    > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    > loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >
    > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html

    That's no joke. We've already got some Christians who insist on their right to shine a great
    big freakin' spotlight beam (like those ones they use when they open a new car dealership),
    straight up into the sky every night. Like god won't know where to find them otherwise. At
    least our city government had the cojones to say no to them when they requested a zoning
    variance to build a 70 foot tall "prayer tower" in a residential area that restricts
    buildings to 2 stories tall. Their justification? They were planning to man the tower 24
    hours a day, and at least some of that time would be devoted to "praying for the well being
    of the city of St. Peters". Fortunately, neighbors got wind of the idea and were able to
    show up at the city council meeting to express their displeasure at the idea of fanatics
    looming in the sky above their houses and able to peer directly down into their yards, pools
    and hot tubs despite their being surrounded by privacy fences, and never mind the butt-ugly
    design of the proposed eye sore. These are the same yahoos that used to drive an old
    firetruck through the subdivision on weekend mornings, sirens wailing, throwing candy off
    the back of it and trying to recruit for their vacation bible school. They quit doing that,
    though, after a person, who shall remain nameless, called the church and read them the riot
    act for disturbing the peace, and for throwing candy into busy, dangerous streets for
    children to chase, and didn't they thing that this might be exposing themselves to huge
    potential liability?

    Kathleen Still waiting for lightning to strike the Big Stupid Flashlight...
     
  8. Mark Hickey

    Mark Hickey Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church in
    >this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers
    >spread across the land:
    >
    >http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html

    I didn't see anything religion-specific in the article to get all worked up about.

    Personally I find it hard to get too worked up over the fact that some people might be engaging in
    prayer, fasting and humility. IME, all of the above are good things - and even if you don't believe
    in prayer, you can substitute "reflection" or "meditation" and it still works.

    If you've never fasted for a day or two, you might be surprised the clarity of thought it produces
    (obviously, I'm not fasting now, huh?). ;-)

    But what do I know? <--- attempt at humility. ;-)

    I like the concept, and don't think anyone should get too worried about the government establishing
    a "fasting patrol" taking photos as you leave McDonalds. This resolution is no more binding on
    anyone than the ones that say "we support our troops". It's NOT a law, after all, and Slacker
    cleared up your confusion about the "separation between church and state" which was never intended
    to expunge any mention of religion from public life.

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
     
  9. John Harlow

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  10. Martees

    Martees Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > in this country. Soon we'll have an army
    of
    > Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >
    > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >
    > Greg
    >
    > --
    > "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and
    > hard, just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
    >

    Nobody ever promised Freedom FROM Religion. You have a Freedom OF Religion. Kind of like Bill
    Wheeler and the SS crowd. I can't stop them from trying to convert me but they can't force me to
    buy one!!!

    Go express yourself.

    Marty
     
  11. Cleanbean

    Cleanbean Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > in this country. Soon we'll have an army
    of
    > Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >
    > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >
    > Greg
    >
    > --
    > "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and
    > hard, just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

    A typical response from someone opposed to faith in God. Are you going to throw the baby out with
    the bath water! Sure there are religious freaks out there but your blasting religion in General and
    specifically "Baptist" is offensive. I don't see any harm with our Leadership asking for a day of
    fasting and prayer. I welcome it. I think it will be respected by other Nations as well as
    Christians within our own Nation. If you haven't noticed the "Gray" in our society is getting more
    black and white. Good and evil are becoming more distinguishable. Either "God" is or He isn't. One
    can cop out with negative remarks such as yours or one can have faith and hope that we do have a
    Supreme Being to guide us, our Nation in our time of need.

    People are all warm and fuzzy until something tragic happens in their life. Soldiers will tell you
    there are no atheists in fox holes. Faith and hope are the only thing that some people have. I'll go
    a step further; If you think that religion is the cause of wars and evil then I believe we need to
    look at what "god" we are serving. For those that serve the righteous God will reap good will. I
    think we've seen the result of those that serve a false god such as the ones we are at war with. I
    welcome a President and Leader who has the balls enough to lay his own job on the line to seek a
    higher authority.

    Come over from the dark side. You just might see the light.

    Cleanbean Still Baptist in Texas Still Christian Still conservative Still riding
     
  12. Mark Hickey

    Mark Hickey Guest

    "John Harlow" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> >...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    >> >in this country. Soon we'll have an army
    >of
    >> >Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers spread across
    >the
    >> >land:
    >> >
    >> >http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >>
    >> I didn't see anything religion-specific in the article to get all worked up about.
    >
    >How about this one? http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/3286/index.php

    Doesn't have a thing to do with the resolution (or with facts, for that matter). If you're getting
    your news and editorial input through sites like that, good luck discerning reality.

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
     
  13. "Cleanbean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:p[email protected]...
    > > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > > in this country. Soon we'll have an army
    > of
    > > Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers spread across
    the
    > > land:
    > >
    > > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    > >
    > > Greg
    > >
    > > --
    > > "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and
    > > hard, just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
    >
    > A typical response from someone opposed to faith in God. Are you going to throw the baby out with
    > the bath water! Sure there are religious freaks
    out
    > there but your blasting religion in General and specifically "Baptist" is offensive. I don't see
    > any harm with our Leadership asking for a day of fasting and prayer. I welcome it. I think it will
    > be respected by other Nations as well as Christians within our own Nation. If you haven't
    noticed
    > the "Gray" in our society is getting more black and white. Good and evil are becoming more
    > distinguishable. Either "God" is or He isn't. One can cop out with negative remarks such as yours
    > or one can have faith and hope that we do have a Supreme Being to guide us, our Nation in our time
    > of need.
    >
    > People are all warm and fuzzy until something tragic happens in their
    life.
    > Soldiers will tell you there are no atheists in fox holes. Faith and hope are the only thing that
    > some people have. I'll go a step further; If you think that religion is the cause of wars and evil
    > then I believe we need
    to
    > look at what "god" we are serving. For those that serve the righteous God will reap good will. I
    > think we've seen the result of those that serve a false god such as the ones we are at war with. I
    > welcome a President and Leader who has the balls enough to lay his own job on the line to seek a
    > higher authority.
    >
    > Come over from the dark side. You just might see the light.
    >
    > Cleanbean Still Baptist in Texas Still Christian Still conservative Still riding
    >

    Still believing other peoples views instead of thinking for himself.
     
  14. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Mark Hickey wrote:
    > "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    >>in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    >>loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >>
    >>http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >
    >
    > I didn't see anything religion-specific in the article to get all worked up about.
    >

    God is not religion-specific? How close-minded of you! Why didn't they stop at just having a day of
    humility? Have you never heard of the tyranny of the majority, Mark? This is complete and utter
    bullshit and has absolutely no place coming from government.

    > Personally I find it hard to get too worked up over the fact that some people might be engaging in
    > prayer, fasting and humility. IME, all of the above are good things - and even if you don't
    > believe in prayer, you can substitute "reflection" or "meditation" and it still works.
    >

    Then why didn't they just say MEDITATION!?

    > If you've never fasted for a day or two, you might be surprised the clarity of thought it produces
    > (obviously, I'm not fasting now, huh?). ;-)
    >

    Then why didn't they just say FASTING!?

    > But what do I know? <--- attempt at humility. ;-)
    >
    > I like the concept, and don't think anyone should get too worried about the government
    > establishing a "fasting patrol" taking photos as you leave McDonalds. This resolution is no more
    > binding on anyone than the ones that say "we support our troops". It's NOT a law, after all, and
    > Slacker cleared up your confusion about the "separation between church and state" which was never
    > intended to expunge any mention of religion from public life.

    Law or not, you can bet there will be fanatics out there wondering why I'm not praying to Jesus and
    they will use this "resolution" as law to harass
    me. Separation of church and state my ass. It wasn't the Buddhists in Congress who catered to Bush
    on this one.

    Greg

    --
    "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
     
  15. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Cleanbean wrote:
    > "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:p[email protected]...
    >
    >>...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    >>in this country. Soon we'll have an army
    >
    > of
    >
    >>Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >>
    >>http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >>
    >>Greg
    >>
    > A typical response from someone opposed to faith in God.

    No, it's a response from someone who doesn't want to be harassed by mindless religious bigots who
    worship some imaginary idol named God.

    > Are you going to throw the baby out with the bath water! Sure there are religious freaks out there
    > but your blasting religion in General and specifically "Baptist" is offensive.

    Adding up all the Baptist congregations in the USA they form the largest religious group. It's
    called tyranny of the majority.

    I don't see any harm with our Leadership asking for a day of
    > fasting and prayer. I welcome it. I think it will be respected by other Nations as well as
    > Christians within our own Nation. If you haven't noticed the "Gray" in our society is getting more
    > black and white. Good and evil are becoming more distinguishable. Either "God" is or He isn't. One
    > can cop out with negative remarks such as yours or one can have faith and hope that we do have a
    > Supreme Being to guide us, our Nation in our time of need.

    Why is it negative to think I have free will? Why does our Nation need guidance from an imaginary
    being? Is this the 12th century?

    >
    > People are all warm and fuzzy until something tragic happens in their life. Soldiers will tell you
    > there are no atheists in fox holes. Faith and hope are the only thing that some people have. I'll
    > go a step further; If you think that religion is the cause of wars and evil then I believe we need
    > to look at what "god" we are serving.

    You mean that religion isn't the cause of all of our wars and evil?

    > For those that serve the righteous God will reap good will.

    How do you know that? Why hasn't God whispered in the ears of the Iraqui soldiers and have them lay
    down their arms to say our soldiers?

    > I think we've seen the result of those that serve a false god such as the ones we are at war with.

    Yes, I see our dead soldiers. I guess they served a false god.

    > I welcome a President and Leader who has the balls enough to lay his own job on the line to seek a
    > higher authority.
    >

    A higher authority? Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny? The Illuminati?

    > Come over from the dark side. You just might see the light.
    >

    There you go, I must be dark because I don't believe in myth and legend. Exactly the attitude that
    this resolution encourages.

    Greg
    --
    "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
     
  16. Cleanbean

    Cleanbean Guest

    "spademan o---[) *" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Cleanbean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:p[email protected]...
    > > > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and
    > > > church in this country. Soon we'll have an
    army
    > > of
    > > > Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over loudspeakers spread across
    > the
    > > > land:
    > > >
    > > >
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    > > >
    > > > Greg
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and
    > > > hard, just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
    > >
    > > A typical response from someone opposed to faith in God. Are you going
    to
    > > throw the baby out with the bath water! Sure there are religious freaks
    > out
    > > there but your blasting religion in General and specifically "Baptist"
    is
    > > offensive. I don't see any harm with our Leadership asking for a day of fasting and prayer. I
    > > welcome it. I think it will be respected by
    other
    > > Nations as well as Christians within our own Nation. If you haven't
    > noticed
    > > the "Gray" in our society is getting more black and white. Good and
    evil
    > > are becoming more distinguishable. Either "God" is or He isn't. One
    can
    > > cop out with negative remarks such as yours or one can have faith and
    hope
    > > that we do have a Supreme Being to guide us, our Nation in our time of need.
    > >
    > > People are all warm and fuzzy until something tragic happens in their
    > life.
    > > Soldiers will tell you there are no atheists in fox holes. Faith and
    hope
    > > are the only thing that some people have. I'll go a step further; If
    you
    > > think that religion is the cause of wars and evil then I believe we need
    > to
    > > look at what "god" we are serving. For those that serve the righteous
    God
    > > will reap good will. I think we've seen the result of those that serve a false god such as the
    > > ones we are at war with. I welcome a President
    and
    > > Leader who has the balls enough to lay his own job on the line to seek a higher authority.
    > >
    > > Come over from the dark side. You just might see the light.
    > >
    > > Cleanbean Still Baptist in Texas Still Christian Still conservative Still riding
    > >
    >
    > Still believing other peoples views instead of thinking for himself.

    Wrong Spademan. No one coursed me into my faith. No one held a gun to my head and said you will
    pray. It was a free choice of mine to believe. I chose to believe. I go against the grain in a group
    like this. It is because I do think for myself and don't just go along with the "crowd".

    Cleanbean
     
  17. Paladin

    Paladin Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > ...is regressing by the hour. And all along I thought there was a separation of state and church
    > in this country. Soon we'll have an army of Baptist preachers calling us to prayer over
    > loudspeakers spread across the land:
    >
    > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/27/sprj.irq.fasting.ap/index.html
    >
    > Greg

    These proclamations were quite commonplace in the first hundred years of our government. No one's
    forcing you to participate . . . but you are invited. :)

    Paladin
     
  18. Bb

    Bb Guest

    On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:23:32 GMT, G.T. wrote:

    > God is not religion-specific? How close-minded of you! Why didn't they stop at just having a day
    > of humility?

    It makes me giggle when GW talks about "humility". He stumbled through a speech last fall about how
    a powerful country must be "humble". This was before he called some other countries' leaders and
    gave them the hard-line of "you're either for us or against us."

    Pride - not humility - gets votes, you know.

    --
    -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
     
  19. John Harlow

    John Harlow Guest

    > A typical response from someone opposed to faith in God. Are you going to throw the baby out with
    > the bath water! Sure there are religious freaks
    out
    > there but your blasting religion in General and specifically "Baptist" is offensive. I don't see
    > any harm with our Leadership asking for a day of fasting and prayer. I welcome it. I think it will
    > be respected by other Nations as well as Christians within our own Nation. If you haven't
    noticed
    > the "Gray" in our society is getting more black and white. Good and evil are becoming more
    > distinguishable. Either "God" is or He isn't. One can cop out with negative remarks such as yours
    > or one can have faith and hope that we do have a Supreme Being to guide us, our Nation in our time
    > of need.

    And what of Iraq's "time of need"? Or does God hate them? Then why did he make them? It was all just
    a cruel joke?

    > People are all warm and fuzzy until something tragic happens in their
    life.
    > Soldiers will tell you there are no atheists in fox holes. Faith and hope are the only thing that
    > some people have. I'll go a step further; If you think that religion is the cause of wars and evil
    > then I believe we need
    to
    > look at what "god" we are serving. For those that serve the righteous God will reap good will. I
    > think we've seen the result of those that serve a false god such as the ones we are at war with.

    And this is what is scariest about people like you. You actually believe your God is the "right" one
    and any other beliefs are "wrong" - to the point of justifying killing them for it. How conceited!

    > Come over from the dark side. You just might see the light.

    Open your eyes. Look at what's going on around you.
     
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