Overtaking in traffic question

[davek]

Dave wrote:
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles

From the Highway Code, rule 139:
"only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn
right, and there is room to do so"
<url:http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/15.shtml#139>

It doesn't say anything about this not applying to cyclists.

d.

 

[Monkey Hanger]

"bob watkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> If you use the inside you do it at your peril. Sooner or later some
> passenger will open a door on you.

I take it you've never seen a driver open his door in a queue of traffic
then? It does happen occasionally. Like cars turning right without
signalling.

Filtering on the right is better, but you still do so at your own risk.

> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>>
>> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
>> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Regards



--
Chris

 

[Dave]

Hi,

In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
?


Regards

 

[Tony Raven]

Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
> ?
>
>
> Regards

Outside but only when it is safe to do so.

Tony

 

[bob watkinson]

If you use the inside you do it at your peril. Sooner or later some
passenger will open a door on you.


"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
> ?
>
>
> Regards

 

[Mike James]

"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
> ?
>
>
> Regards

In nose to tail traffic, its often the case that the other
side of the road coming in the opposite direction is comparatively
empty. So you may find that if you cycle down the outside you often
have the centre of the road and the other carriageway to yourself.

Passing on the inside in such sitations is often problematic
because of the odd car that insists on hugging the kerb for no good
reason. Or in preparation for a left turn a further 200 metres on.

Mike

 

[bob watkinson]

..


"Monkey Hanger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "bob watkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news[email protected]:
>
> > If you use the inside you do it at your peril. Sooner or later some
> > passenger will open a door on you.
>
> I take it you've never seen a driver open his door in a queue of traffic
> then? It does happen occasionally. Like cars turning right without
> signalling.


correct i haven't ever seen this though i dare say it may happen. I don't
suppose though for a minute you are suggesting that this is as likely as a
passenger opening the door at the near side. Which after all is`what
MH(hartlepool?)was asking about.

>
> Filtering on the right is better, but you still do so at your own risk.
>
> > "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
> >> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of
vehicles
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
>
>
>
> --
> Chris
>

 

[Simonb]

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake
> on the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of
> vehicles ?

On the right. And go *carefully*.

 

[Colin McKenzie]

Simonb wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>>In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake
>>on the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of
>>vehicles ?
>
> On the right. And go *carefully*.

Carefully is the key. Inside and between two lanes is OK too IF
the motor vehicles have no room to move AND
you're going slowly enough to stop if a door opens at you.

On the outside, you may be able to get out of the door zone and go
faster. If there's a cycle lane on the inside, you may be able to get
out of the door zone and go faster.

If the queue is moving, you should be in one of the lanes, even if you
think you could go faster.

Colin McKenzie

 

[John Mallard]

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake
> on the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of
> vehicles ?

Outside

The diadvantages of inside are:
They're less likely to realise you're there and move in on you.
Passenger door flying open.
You're restricted to a very narrow line with nowhere to go if you need to
bail out.
You'll get left hooked.
You're riding in the debris of the gutter and you'll get a puncture.
You'll arive at a point where you can no longer get through.
AND other cyclists will point and laugh at you.

The disadvantages of outside are:
The guy who wants to turn right 50 meters up the road and so suddenly pulls
out and sprints for it.
Rear passenger door.
Day dreamers coming the other way.
M/c coming the other way riding the white line.
M/c overtaking.
*** ash or *** coming out of drivers window.

Me, I go outside.

--
Cheerful Pedalling
John Mallard

 

[Mark Thompson]

> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
> ?

A lot of both. Basically, go for the outside, but nowt wrong with the
inside if you're bloody careful. Watch out for left turners, peds, doors,
and oncoming cars turning right. A lot of left turners won't be turning
right, but parking on the right which is an easy way to splat cyclists as
you turn in sooner than the cyclist expects.

 

[Pete Biggs]

Dave wrote:
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake
> on the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of
> vehicles ?

Outside is generally safer but not always, and it's not always possible or
at all convenient.

Inside overtaking can be safe on occasasion if you are careful. Pay extra
attention near side turnings, especially with long vehicles. If there's
one absolute "no no", it's undertaking or overtaking a long vehicle when
it *could* turn into you.

And to the next cyclist who asks me to get out of their way while I'm
waiting for a lorry or bus to move: "F*** OFF!!!". I wished I'd actually
held my ground and said something instead of silently moving over to let
them get past and risk their life... Got that off my chest now, thanks


~PB

 

[Gawnsoft]

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:17:00 +0100, "Mike James" <[email protected]>
wrote (more or less):

>
>"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>>
>> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
>> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>
>In nose to tail traffic, its often the case that the other
>side of the road coming in the opposite direction is comparatively
>empty. So you may find that if you cycle down the outside you often
>have the centre of the road and the other carriageway to yourself.
>
>Passing on the inside in such sitations is often problematic
>because of the odd car that insists on hugging the kerb for no good
>reason. Or in preparation for a left turn a further 200 metres on.

No good reason often includes making sure that no cyclist can get past
them while they're stuck still.


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[James Annan]

Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In long lines of nose to tail, stop/start traffic, should I overtake on
> the inside between cars and kerb, or overtake on the outside of vehicles
> ?

Either, depending on the situation, but be careful of doors opening, and
cars making sudden turns (whichever side you choose - inside is probably
more hazardous in general, but not unreasonably so if you are aware of
the risks).

James
--
If I have seen further than others, it is
by treading on the toes of giants.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

 

[Peter Fox]

Following on from Pete Biggs's message. . .
>Inside overtaking can be safe on occasasion if you are careful. Pay extra
>attention near side turnings, especially with long vehicles. If there's
>one absolute "no no", it's undertaking or overtaking a long vehicle when
>it *could* turn into you.
* ABSOLUTELY * ABSOLUTELY * ABSOLUTELY *



Never pass an articulated lorry on the left unless you know _it can't
move_.

Never pass any lorry on the left if there is a building site ahead.

Any entrance/exit ahead can be a trap.





First choice is RH side but the LH side may be slowly negotiable. The
reason the LH side is more dangerous with long vehicles is that they can
squash you without you having anywhere to go - even if you stay
stationary. At least on the RH side you can /try/ to manoeuvre out of
the way into some free space.

Some people don't twig that an articulated lorry or muck wagon may need
to jiggle about all over the road to turn into where it needs to get to.
"Hey I can squeeze past now" ... Famous last words.

--
PETER FOX Not the same since the exam marking business failed
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[Adrian Boliston]

"Pete Biggs" <pblackcherry{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> And to the next cyclist who asks me to get out of their way while I'm
> waiting for a lorry or bus to move: "F*** OFF!!!". I wished I'd actually
> held my ground and said something instead of silently moving over to let
> them get past and risk their life... Got that off my chest now, thanks
>

I've had this happen a couple of weeks back, but it was because I'd stopped at a
red light rather than behind a lorry, and the cyclist behind didn't like having to
stop.

 

[rider]

Outside

The diadvantages of inside are:
<snip>
AND other cyclists will point and laugh at you.

The disadvantages of outside are:
*** ash or *** coming out of drivers window.

Me, I go outside.

--
Cheerful Pedalling
John Mallard

That' s not a dsiadvantage that's fun....

You'll be a smoker then.

 

[Ian Smith]

On 12 Aug 2004 19:09:37 GMT, Monkey Hanger <[email protected]> wrote:
> "bob watkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news[email protected]:
>
> > If you use the inside you do it at your peril. Sooner or later some
> > passenger will open a door on you.
>
> I take it you've never seen a driver open his door in a queue of traffic
> then?

Or indeed a back seat passenger.

regards, Ian SMith
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[gavin]

"Adrian Boliston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Pete Biggs" <pblackcherry{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > And to the next cyclist who asks me to get out of their way while I'm
> > waiting for a lorry or bus to move: "F*** OFF!!!". I wished I'd
actually
> > held my ground and said something instead of silently moving over to let
> > them get past and risk their life... Got that off my chest now, thanks
> >
>
> I've had this happen a couple of weeks back, but it was because I'd
stopped at a
> red light rather than behind a lorry, and the cyclist behind didn't like
having to
> stop.


IMO I don't think there's a right or wrong way - whichever you chose just
try and expect the unexpected - **** happens, particularly when you are on
two wheels!


Gavin

 

[bob watkinson]

"Ian Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 12 Aug 2004 19:09:37 GMT, Monkey Hanger <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "bob watkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > news[email protected]:
> >
> > > If you use the inside you do it at your peril. Sooner or later some
> > > passenger will open a door on you.
> >
> > I take it you've never seen a driver open his door in a queue of
traffic
> > then?
>
> Or indeed a back seat passenger.
>

Sigh! I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier.

> regards, Ian SMith
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