Oxandrolone

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  1. Carrera

    Carrera New Member

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    Anyone have any info on Anavar or Oxandrolone? It's apparently used by track athletes, cyclists and bodybuilders but is distinct in as much as there are virtually no side effects (or even health risks).

    Other steroids do pose a definite health risk (especially taken orally)

    Here are some more details:

    (1)Oral oxandrolone has been shown to decrease subcutaneous abdominal fat more than testosterone enanthate or weight loss alone, and it also tended to produce favorable changes in visceral fat.

    (2)It has virtually no liver toxicity, even at doses as high as 80 mg a day. It's even been given to patients suffering from liver cirrohsis.

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    I've never used chemicals to date but I do have a friend who experimented with Oxandrolone. Of course, it's a banned substance in professional cycling but has anyone ever heard of it or researched it?
     
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  2. Doctor Morbius

    Doctor Morbius New Member

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    It's great for a powerlifter that wants to add strength while staying in their weight class. It's also used by bodybuilders during their "cutting up" phase. However, the effectiveness of it is undermined by the exorbitant cost. It doesn't fall into a "best bang for the buck" steroid. Following is a little info I found.


    Searle Company introduced the substance oxandrolone to the U.S. market in 1964 under the name Anavar and it enjoyed great popularity for over two decades until, on July 1, 1989, the production of Anavar was phased out. Today Anavar is manufactured under its various generic names in only a few countries (see above). The compound with the generic name Oxandrolone SPA by S.p.A. Milano Company (Società Prodotti Antibiotica) from Italy is the only original anabolic steroid available in Europe, which contains the substance oxandrolone. There are 30 tablets in one box with two push through strips of 15 tablets each. Oxandrolone is a weak steroid with only a slight androgenic component. It has been shown that Oxandrolone, when taken in reasonable dosages, rarely has any side effects. This is appreciated since Oxandrolone was developed mostly for women and children. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids, which does not cause an early stunting of growth in children since it does not prematurely close the epiphysial growth plates. For this reason Oxandrolone is mostly used in children to stimulate growth and in women to prevent osteoporosis. Oxandrolone causes very light virilization symptoms, if at all. This characteristic makes Oxandrolone a favored remedy for female athletes since, at a daily dose of 10-15 mg, masculinizing symptoms are observed only rarely.

    Bodybuilders and power lifters, in particular, like Oxandrolone for three reasons. First, Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles. Power lifters and weightlifters who do not want to end up in a higher weight class take advantage of this since it allows them to get stronger without gaining body weight at the same time. The combination of Oxandrolone and 20 - 30 mg Halotestin daily has proven to be very effective since the muscles also look harder. Similarly good results can be achieved by a simultaneous intake of Oxandrolone and 120-140 mcg Clenbuterol per day. Although Oxandrolone itself does not cause a noticeable muscle growth it can clearly improve the muscle-developing effect of many steroids. Deca-Durabolin, Dianabol, and the various testosterone compounds, in particular, combine well with Oxandrolone to achieve a "mass buildup" because the strength gain caused by the intake of these highly tissue-developing and liquid-retaining substances results in an additional muscle mass. A stack of 200 mg Deca-Durabolin/week, 500 mg Testosterone Enanthate (e.g. Testoviron Depot 250)/week, and 25 mg Oxandrolone/day leads to a good gain in strength and mass in most athletes. Deca-Durabolin has a distinct anabolic effect and stimulates the synthesis of protein; Oxandrolone improves the strength by a higher phosphocreatine synthesis; and Testosterone Enanthate increases the aggressiveness for the workout and accelerates regeneration.

    The second reason why Oxandrolone is so popular is that this compound does not aromatize in any dosage. As already mentioned, a certain part of the testosterone present in the body is converted into estrogen. This aromatization process, depending on the predisposition, can vary distinctly from one athlete to another. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids, which cannot aromatize to estrogen. This characteristic has various advantages for the athlete. With Oxandrolone the muscle system does not get the typical watery appearance as with many steroids, thus making it very interesting during the preparation for a competition. In this phase it is especially important to keep the estrogen level as low as possible since estrogen programs the body to store water even if the diet is calorie-reduced. In combination with a diet, Oxandrolone helps to make the muscles hard and ripped. Although Oxandrolone itself does not break down fat, it plays an indirect role in this process because the substance often suppresses the athlete's appetite. Oxandrolone can also cause some bloating, which in several athletes, results in nausea and vomiting when the tablets are taken with meals. The package insert of the Italian Oxandrolone notes its effect on the activity of the gastrointestinal tract. Some athletes thus report continued diarrhea. Although these symptoms are not very pleasant they still help the athlete break down fat and become harder. Those who work out for a competition or are interested in gaining quality muscles should combine Oxandrolone with steroids such as Winstrol, Parabolan, Masteron, Primobolan, and Testosterone Propionate. A stack of 50 mg Winstrol every two days, 50 mg Testosterone Propionate every two days, and 25 mg Oxandrolone every day has proven effective. Another advantage of Oxandrolone's non-aromatization is that athletes who suffer from high blood pressure or develop gynecomastia of the thymus glands when taking stronger androgenic steroids will not have these side effects with this compound. The. Oxandrolone/Deca-Durabolin stack is a welcome alternative for this group of athletes or for athletes showing signs of poor health during mass buildup with testosterone, Dianabol, or Anadrol 50. Athletes over forty should predominantly use Oxandrolone.

    The third reason which speaks well for an intake of Oxandrolone is that even in a very high dosage this compound does not influence the body's own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the body's own hormone production. The reason is that it does not have a negative feedback mechanism on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, meaning that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypothalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH Luteinizing hormone releasing hormone). This special feature of Oxandrolone can be explained by the fact that the substance is not converted into estrogen Oxandrolone (Anavar), when given to normal men in high doses does not reduce the seminal volume or count, nor can it be converted (aromatized) into estrogen.

    Oxandrolone combines very well with Andriol, since Andriol does not aromatize in a dosage of up to 240 mg daily and has only slight influence on the hormone production. The daily intake of 280 mg Andriol and 25 mg Oxandrolone results in a good gain in strength and, in steroid novices, also in muscle mass without excessive water retention and without a significant influence on testosterone production. As for the dos-age of Oxandrolone, 8-12 tablets in men and 5-6 tablets in women seem to bring the best results. The rule of thumb to take 0.125 mg/pound of body weight daily has proven successful in clinical tests. The tablets are normally taken two to three times daily after meals thus assuring an optimal absorption of the substance. Those who get the already discussed gastrointestinal pain when taking Oxandrolone are better off taking the tablets one to two hours after a meal or switching to another compound.

    Since Oxandrolone is only slightly toxic and usually shows few side effects, several athletes use it over a prolonged period of time. However Oxandrolone should not be taken for several consecutive months, since, as with almost all oral steroids it is 1 7-alpha alkylated and thus liver toxic. Oxandrolone is an all-purpose remedy, which depending on the athlete's goal is very versatile. Women who react sensitively to the intake of anabolic steroids achieve good results when combining Oxandrolone/Primobolan Tabs and/or Clenbuterol, without suffering from the usual virilization symptoms. Women, however, should not take more than 6 tablets daily otherwise, androgenic-caused side effects such as acne, deep voice, clitorial hypertrophy or increased growth of body hair can occur.

    Probably the largest disadvantages that come along with Oxandrolone are its high price and poor availability on the black market. Original Oxandrolone costs about $1 - 2 per tablet on the black market and is rarely available, if at all.
     
  3. Doctor Morbius

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    P.S. Carrera, You know we're going to get brow beaten for a thread like this. :rolleyes:
     
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    And just as an FYI it's on WADAs 2005 Prohibited Substance List.
     
  5. Carrera

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    So far as I'm aware, oxandrolone is the only steroid that carries minimal health risks (far less than regular tobacco). That's why I raised the thread. Plus, I should point out that not all cyclists are competitive so I'm not suggesting people should cheat or anything like that.
    However, the problem with steroids as a whole is that these drugs do pose serious health risks, especially when taken orally. What happens is that many athletes take way off-limit dosages and stack different drugs, plus they don't have the benefit of medical supervision. I think athletes in the past used them in a controlled manner, whereas today the whole thing has gone bananas.
    My own view is that the individual who decides to use drug-enhancement should be honest about it (at least David Millar and some others have been honest), be aware of the risks, get medical supervision and be aware drugs don't make champions. I think a person needs a few years natural training behind him (or her) before even considering the use of sports drugs.
    I've never personally used steroids but have trained with people who have. However, while we're on the topic, does anybody have any idea what drugs the pro-cyclists are using? Wouldn't muscle building steroids hamper cycling because you tend to retain water? Do they go more for EPH?


     
  6. Doctor Morbius

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    Personally I don't think oral Anavar is worth a shit. There are just too many other roids out there that work far better. For cutting agents see your friendly vet for some Equipoise or Winsterol-V. Primabolin works well also.

    Even some of the bulking agents if used in lower doses can have a profound effect. They will aid dramatically in recovery from intense training sessions and the extra water in the joints will help to ease joint pain. The down side is that the tendons and ligaments will not have had a chance to adapt to the new strength gains as quickly as the muscle fibers.

    Just like anything else, there is a smart way to go about something and a dumb way to go about it. The guys that get themselves into trouble are almost always the chronic abusers. Lyle Alzado admitted to taking $30,000 worth (and that's when they were dirt cheap!!) of steroids a year! What a dope. I'm supprised he didn't crap out his liver long before he died.

    Did his abuse cause his brain cancer? Alzado said yes, but his doctor said there wasn't any conclusive evidence to suggest that his steroid abuse was the cause. I've personally known 2 guys in their early 30's who have had brain cancer. One died and the other had a successful surgury. Neither one of them ever did any steroids whatsoever. Shit happens. And shit happens to decent people all the time. I honestly don't think a person who does low to low/moderate cycles of roids has anything to worry about provided they are in good health and don't have any pre-existing histories that may cause concern - even if they do 3 cycles a year!

    Steroids are much much safer than smoking ciggarettes! If anybody really wants to poison themselves then they can just get a job as a bartender and let other people's second hand smoke kill 'em. More people die as a direct result of ciggarettes than all of the other drugs (except alchohol) combined. This includes pot, hash, crack, heroin, morphine and exstasy. Steroids are baby food in comparison.
     
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    Get off the gear deadheads!
     
  8. Carrera

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    Guys like Sergio and Arnold used steroids sensibly by modern standards and didn't lie about it either. Mostly they ingested dessicated liver and dianabol. But Sergio pointed out that today they're on HGH, stacks of every chemical you can imagine and massive, prolonged doses. Basically Sergio didn't use anything like that and relied on his genetics, damned hard work and very moderate steroid use.
    However, modern-day abuse doesn't just apply to bodybuilding. Cyclists are also on everything bar the kitchen sink so my guess is there must be a big difference between what Merkcx would have been on as opposed to modern pro-riders. Same story.
    The problem with steroid abuse is it can totally wreck the body. You perform at a level you would never attain naturally which means there will be a payback day at some point, lower levels of natural testosterone production, overloaded tendons e.t.c. Someone who's smart will know you can't stay on drugs for long periods but, on the other hand, sensible use of low-risk drugs isn't as dangerous as nicotine.
    It's kind of scary, though, how many dunderheads get into drugs with no idea how to use common sense. These are people who haven't put in any years of natural training and will take any amount of chemicals to attain their goals. The hype over steroids has been caused by steroid abuse not sensible, common sense usage.



     
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