Panaracer Fire XC Pro's

[paul]

Hi,

I've got a Specialized Epic with Tioga DH 2.1's on it at the mo, I'm looking
for something with a bit more of a good XC reputation and I see the
Panaracers Fire XC's are heavily recommended. Could any help me choose
between the 2.1's and 1.8's ??

I ride mostly Singletracks that aren't shodden with 10ft deep mud though do
occasionaly come accross it. I feel like I should be buying the 1.8's but do
you lose any grip compared to the 2.1's on climbs or anythign else notable?

Help appreciated!

Regards

Paul.

 

[A.Lee]

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:44:56 +0100, paul wrote:

> I've got a Specialized Epic with Tioga DH 2.1's on it at the mo, I'm
> looking for something with a bit more of a good XC reputation and I see
> the Panaracers Fire XC's are heavily recommended. Could any help me
> choose between the 2.1's and 1.8's ??

I've not tried the Panaracers, but I do use Tioga Factory SL 1.8s, and
TBH, I cant tell much difference in grip between them and the 2.1 tyres I
had fitted before(which had really lumpy tread),but they are definitely
easier to turn.
I think a lot of it is down to riding style, if you are a 'light' rider
who doesnt bash into roots/stones etc, then the thinner tyres are ok, if
you are heavy on the tyres, then a bigger tyre may be
better to stop punctures a little more.
My cross bike has tubulars that are quite thin, with very little tread,
but I never seem to lose grip with them - only when pedaling uphill on
loose/wet ground does the back wheel start losing grip,and this is usually
corrected by putting a bit more weight to the rear.
Alan.

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[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, paul
('[email protected]') wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've got a Specialized Epic with Tioga DH 2.1's on it at the mo, I'm
> looking for something with a bit more of a good XC reputation and I
> see the Panaracers Fire XC's are heavily recommended. Could any help
> me choose between the 2.1's and 1.8's ??
>
> I ride mostly Singletracks that aren't shodden with 10ft deep mud
> though do occasionaly come accross it. I feel like I should be buying
> the 1.8's but do you lose any grip compared to the 2.1's on climbs or
> anythign else notable?

My old hill bike - the one which I've put most time into tuning - has a
1.8" Panaracer Dart on the front and a very cheap 2.3" Panaracer Smoke
copy on the back. In really soft going the relatively narrow front tyre
cuts through mud to find something solid to steer on, while the
relatively big rear tyre gets a lot of grip. The front and rear tyres
of an offroad bike do very different things, and no one tread design is
going to both well; since the excellent smoke/dart combination is no
longer available my favourite tyres are Velociraptors.

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[Peter B]

"paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I've got a Specialized Epic with Tioga DH 2.1's on it at the mo, I'm
looking
> for something with a bit more of a good XC reputation and I see the
> Panaracers Fire XC's are heavily recommended. Could any help me choose
> between the 2.1's and 1.8's ??

I are mostly riding 2.1 Fire XC's and do loike 'em.
My mate, who is lighter at 10 1/2 Imperial Doings, has 1.8 and 2.1 XC's.
Mostly he are riding the 2.1's in the Peak District but do put the 1.8's on
occasionally for local bridleways but I don't think he really likes 'em,
just uses 'em to justify the folly of the purchase.

Pete

 

[Andy]

"paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I've got a Specialized Epic with Tioga DH 2.1's on it at the mo, I'm
looking
> for something with a bit more of a good XC reputation and I see the
> Panaracers Fire XC's are heavily recommended. Could any help me choose
> between the 2.1's and 1.8's ??
>
> I ride mostly Singletracks that aren't shodden with 10ft deep mud though
do
> occasionaly come accross it. I feel like I should be buying the 1.8's but
do
> you lose any grip compared to the 2.1's on climbs or anythign else
notable?
>
> Help appreciated!
>
> Regards
>
> Paul.
>
>

Get the 2.1's, much better "all round" capability than the 1.8's (which have
a
different, less 'agressive' tread).

 

[taywood]

paul wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've got a Specialized Epic with Tioga DH 2.1's on it at the mo, I'm
> looking for something with a bit more of a good XC reputation and I
> see the Panaracers Fire XC's are heavily recommended. Could any help
> me choose between the 2.1's and 1.8's ??
>
> I ride mostly Singletracks that aren't shodden with 10ft deep mud
> though do occasionaly come accross it. I feel like I should be buying
> the 1.8's but do you lose any grip compared to the 2.1's on climbs or
> anythign else notable?

Velociraptors model? in the winter and lovely Panaracer Fire XC 1.8
for the rest of the year, and I love them.

But they come from two sources ? and on the cheaper ones riders have
complained that the knobbly bits get ripped off.
Sorry I cant give you details but a google of the NG's may help.

 

[Peter B]

"taywood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> But they come from two sources ? and on the cheaper ones riders have
> complained that the knobbly bits get ripped off.

Some are sourced from Japan and have a stencilled effect marking, supposed
to give them a prototype appearance. Others are sourced from Taiwan and have
a more normal label.
It's been alleged that the Taiwanese ones have a lower TPI carcase so don't
ride so well, I've used both types in 2.1 and can't notice a difference and
the knobs certainly haven't broken off even though now well worn down by
use.
Easy to ID them, one sort has Made In Japan embossed on the sidewall and the
other has Made In Taiwan embossed on the sidewall, so unsubtle even I
noticed

Pete