Pannier piracy redux

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by David Martin, Apr 6, 2004.

  1. David Martin

    David Martin Guest

    Here is a synthesis/redux of the thread on panniers and
    software.. I have carried out some minor editing.

    More contributions welcome..

    Guy, do you want to put it up as a web page (HTML, not PDF



    **If panniers were software...** (from thread contributions
    by Richard Bates, Guy Chapman, David Martin, Simon Bennett,
    Colin Blackburn and Tim Hall)

    *Pannier piracy: I want a set of front and rear panniers to
    be used simultaneously. Should I just purchase the rear and
    steal the front?

    *Pannier monopoly: The pannier manufacturer PanCo uses
    extortion to force all rack makers to ship racks with their
    panniers pre-installed until there were essentially no other
    pannier makers left, at which point they increased the
    price, including charging more for old stocks of panniers
    which work on lower-spec racks. There are some third party
    manufacturers who make add-ons such as lights but these
    extra fittings only fit PanCo panniers.

    *Licensing: You buy a license to use your panniers on one
    rack. If you want to use them on another rack then you have
    to buy another license for that rack.

    And if you upgrade your panniers then you have to buy a
    new license. You can't transfer the license to your new
    set of panniers.

    You can't hang your panniers on the sides of a supermarket
    trolley while shopping as the pannier manufacturer do not
    support pannier licenses for shopping trolleys.

    *Giving them away: If I wanted to legally sell or donate my
    bike to someone else, I am obliged to include the panniers
    (as well as all manuals and accompanying printed materials).

    You can just give away the panniers (along with all printed
    documentation) as long as you did not buy your panniers
    through a discount pannier scheme, in which case you are not
    legally allowed to transfer them to another bike at all.

    Or maybe your panniers come with the job. I can use mine at
    home but if I leave my job I can no longer use them so I
    would be legally obliged to remove and destroy them.

    *Problems and upgrades: The panniers I have were supposed
    to be good, but are full of holes. Indeed not a week goes
    by when then manufacture rings me up to say they have
    found another hole and could I send an SAE for them to put
    a patch in.

    My panniers fall off every couple of weeks. The
    manufacturers say that this is normal and I should just take
    everything out of the panniers, put it all back in and hang
    them back on the bike.

  2. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest