In article <403037d2$1@darkstar>, Benjamin Weiner <
[email protected]>
wrote:
> Oscar Mannheim <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Exaggerated attitudes, and opinions without nuances, killed Marco Pantani. Ken Papai killed
> > Pantani........but just maybe.
>
> Dude,
>
> Pappy has hardly posted here since October. Then Pantani dies and your first thought is of ... Ken
> Papai? You are the one who is obsessed.
>
> Depression sucks. One fact that maybe you aren't thinking about is that it is an illness, an
> internal phenomenon. It may be amplified by outside effects, but blaming them for depression and
> its consequences is essentially misguided. It is common after a suicide for friends and
> acquaintances to blame themselves for not seeing or not helping - and less commonly, to blame
> others for causing the circumstances that led to the death. This is understandable (been there,
> done that) but basically unrealistic. It is difficult if not impossible to save someone bent on
> self-destruction if they don't want to be saved. Similarly it is difficult to kill someone just by
> not being nice to them.
>
> Few people's hands are clean in the matter of Pantani, and that includes we the fans; but your holier-than-
> thou attitude does the man's memory no honor.
>
> -Ben
Well put, Ben. I want to add something to your comment "It is difficult if not impossible to
save someone bent on self-destruction if they don't want to be saved." Sometimes it isn't a
matter of not wanting to be saved, but one of a deeply (or even moderately) depressed person to
not realize there is another way. One frequent thought process in depressives is that "things
are written in stone", i.e. there -is- no other way than the way things are, and that nothing
can change the way they are.
--
tanx, Howard
"We're not laughing -at- you, we're laughing -with- you..) "But... I'm not
laughing???" Happiness
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