K
K. J. Papai
Guest
Ben Weiner replied to that Stupid Grouch Mannheim Franz:
(exactly as *I* should have)
> Oscar Mannheim <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Exaggerated attitudes, and opinions without nuances,
>> killed Marco
Pantani.
>> Ken Papai killed Pantani........but just maybe.
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Dude, [writes Ben]
Pappy has hardly posted here since October. Then Pantani
dies and your first thought is of ... Ken Papai? You are the
one who is obsessed.
Depression sucks. One fact that maybe you aren't thinking
about is that it is an illness, an internal phenomenon. It
may be amplified by outside effects, but blaming them for
depression and its consequences is essentially misguided. It
is common after a suicide for friends and acquaintances to
blame themselves for not seeing or not helping - and less
commonly, to blame others for causing the circumstances that
led to the death. This is understandable (been there, done
that) but basically unrealistic. It is difficult if not
impossible to save someone bent on self-destruction if they
don't want to be saved. Similarly it is difficult to kill
someone just by not being nice to them.
Few people's hands are clean in the matter of Pantani, and
that includes we the fans; but your holier-than-thou
attitude does the man's memory no honor.
-Ben
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-Ken
(exactly as *I* should have)
> Oscar Mannheim <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Exaggerated attitudes, and opinions without nuances,
>> killed Marco
Pantani.
>> Ken Papai killed Pantani........but just maybe.
=====
Dude, [writes Ben]
Pappy has hardly posted here since October. Then Pantani
dies and your first thought is of ... Ken Papai? You are the
one who is obsessed.
Depression sucks. One fact that maybe you aren't thinking
about is that it is an illness, an internal phenomenon. It
may be amplified by outside effects, but blaming them for
depression and its consequences is essentially misguided. It
is common after a suicide for friends and acquaintances to
blame themselves for not seeing or not helping - and less
commonly, to blame others for causing the circumstances that
led to the death. This is understandable (been there, done
that) but basically unrealistic. It is difficult if not
impossible to save someone bent on self-destruction if they
don't want to be saved. Similarly it is difficult to kill
someone just by not being nice to them.
Few people's hands are clean in the matter of Pantani, and
that includes we the fans; but your holier-than-thou
attitude does the man's memory no honor.
-Ben
========
-Ken
