Patrick Lefevre: Good-bye Michael Rogers?



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But right now, the only thing left on people's minds is what can
boom-boom Boonen achieve next year. "Ach, Boonen just has to remain
himself," said Lefevre. "Next year we will build a strong team around
Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team."

Hmm.

-Sonarrat.
 
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:30:20 -0700, sonarrat <[email protected]>
wrote:

>But right now, the only thing left on people's minds is what can
>boom-boom Boonen achieve next year. "Ach, Boonen just has to remain
>himself," said Lefevre. "Next year we will build a strong team around
>Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team."


Rogers is a two-time world champion.

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So? Still only the tt. And he only got to wear one of the jersey's for
a week thanks to dumb ass Millar. Belgian sponsors care about 3
things. Ronde van Vlanderan, Paris Roubaix, and once upon a time the
gp eddy merckx. Lump in KBK, LBL for fun and life is prettty good.
Frankly, they don't have the bodies to really support a stage race
programme, let alone a psuedo stage racer.
 
sonarrat wrote:
<snippage>
>"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom.
>
> Hmm.
>
> -Sonarrat.

</snippage>
one wonders how a certain Paulo Bettini feels about this comment.
Granted he's no stage racer but he's done no small amount of work for
the QS image, winning WC's and classics and all that.
 
Andrew Karre wrote:
> I thought this was a rather odd comment, too. He seems to have gotten
> quite a satisfactory return from Rogers by most measures. Perhaps
> Lefevre has just been reading RBR and has been convinced that little
> stage races like Paris Nice et. al. are nothing more than overblown
> industrial park crits. Why bother?
>
> Andrew
>
> sonarrat wrote:
> > But right now, the only thing left on people's minds is what can
> > boom-boom Boonen achieve next year. "Ach, Boonen just has to remain
> > himself," said Lefevre. "Next year we will build a strong team

around
>
> > Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team."
> >
> > Hmm.
> >
> > -Sonarrat.


Alright my portly pupils, take off the ***** goggles and holster your
chubb in the BVDs for a minute, because I'm going to drop a few
concepts on you here.

First off, most of the World Championships are totally meaningless.
It's always at a bad time of the year. This has been hashed out in here
before so let's agree to agree. As such very, very few riders actually
take Worlds seriously. Most just do enough to make the selection for
the squad so their agents can use it to squeeze an extra 5k during
contract negotiations and also get a free vacation courtesy of the
national federation. That said, the Worlds TT is even less competitive
than Worlds Road, as you rarely even have the best riders line up. Just
look back and see who doesn't show up. Hell, look at last years results
and go down the first five spots. Pretty much the same goes for the
Olympics, but I don't want to get you Tylerites too worked up right now
- you've got enough on your plate.

Second, having a TT specialist on a team like Quick Step takes a spot
away from somebody who is actually useful in the 98% of the rest of the
races that the team does during the season. Now I'm not saying Rogers
is useless, he's far from it. But if you're ramping up the team for a
key race and all the TT **** is concerned with is lining up the
rear-cage's curved cable behind the seatstay to save .00003% of drag
then you've got a needless distraction. And those bikes are also a huge
pain in the ass to drag all over the world. They're cumbersome and
heavy and suck up the mechanics time which could be better used trying
to track down a local who can dispose of the medical waste bags without
getting nabbed by the gumshoes.

Now don't get me wrong - the Worlds TT title is nice to have on the
team sponsor packet when you ask for another seven-figure cash infusion
in November. It's also wonderful fodder for Phil and Paul to kick
around every 6-7 minutes during a flat stage in the TdF coverage but it
ain't gonna do all that much in the races that count except make said
rider's team kit look like it was designed by someone with a dyslexic
form of colorblindness who was wigging on three tabs of Dancing Bear.
Otherwise it's largely meaningless.

Wired on three tabs of Carphedon and 24ozs of Fast Freddy Signature
Blend,
-DA74
 
Andrew Karre wrote:
> I thought this was a rather odd comment, too. He seems to have gotten
> quite a satisfactory return from Rogers by most measures. Perhaps
> Lefevre has just been reading RBR and has been convinced that little
> stage races like Paris Nice et. al. are nothing more than overblown
> industrial park crits. Why bother?
>
> Andrew


Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong and he's ****** about Jose Antonio
Pecharroman.

-Sonarrat.
 
sonarrat wrote:
> Andrew Karre wrote:
> > I thought this was a rather odd comment, too. He seems to have

gotten
> > quite a satisfactory return from Rogers by most measures. Perhaps
> > Lefevre has just been reading RBR and has been convinced that

little
> > stage races like Paris Nice et. al. are nothing more than overblown
> > industrial park crits. Why bother?
> >
> > Andrew

>
> Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong and he's ****** about Jose Antonio


> Pecharroman.
>
> -Sonarrat.


Idd, Pecharroman, Garrido and Mercado. Rogers and Sinkewitz are one of
his favourites (coming from his Mapei GS III team).

Kenny
 
To my ears, his remark about 'pseudo GC riders' was obviously about a
minsinvestment like Pecharroman. I don't hink he meant Mercado, who last
season went in breaks and wins stages.

They strongly believe in Rogers, and the continuation of his progress wrt.
GC. The difference is Rogers is somebody they already know from the younger
ranks.
Pecharroman was a real transfer, and they probably gave him a contract
fitting a Grand Tour-contender.
 
Bart Van Hoorebeeck wrote:

> Pecharroman was a real transfer, and they probably gave him a contract
> fitting a Grand Tour-contender.


Pecharroman was a big gamble. I think Lefevere quickly realised that he'd
bought an expensive lemon. Rogers, Mercado and Sinkewitz have won races, Van
Goolen hasn't done a whole lot yet, although he has shown some promise.
Garrido? I had to check that he was on the team roster. They've also got
Paolini, who is good when he's in form, but not lately. But if you can leave
out riders like Bettini, Zanini, Bramati and Lotz and still win Roubaix,
you've got a fairly good classics team.

Jeff
 
Is Verbrugghe a pseudo-stage racer or a man for the Walloon week?

Jenko
 
He mentioned Mercado too in P-magazine as one of the riders who did not
performed yet in comparison to his wage. His reaction on the fact that
Mercado did win a Tour stage was: "Yeah when he was already 30' behind
in the GC". But it's obvious Pecharroman is biggest problem.

Kenny
 
Jeff Jones wrote:
> Bart Van Hoorebeeck wrote:
>
> > Pecharroman was a real transfer, and they probably gave him a

contract
> > fitting a Grand Tour-contender.

>
> Pecharroman was a big gamble. I think Lefevere quickly realised that

he'd
> bought an expensive lemon. Rogers, Mercado and Sinkewitz have won

races, Van
> Goolen hasn't done a whole lot yet, although he has shown some

promise.
> Garrido? I had to check that he was on the team roster. They've also

got
> Paolini, who is good when he's in form, but not lately. But if you

can leave
> out riders like Bettini, Zanini, Bramati and Lotz and still win

Roubaix,
> you've got a fairly good classics team.


I don't think we saw the real strength of the team yet. The team
always did everything to get Boonen in good conditions in the final but
most of the time he was isolated then. Luckily he has a superb form.
Without this superb Boonen, the start of the season would have been
catastrophic.

Kenny
 
"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> schreef >
> Pecharroman was a big gamble. I think Lefevere quickly realised that he'd
> bought an expensive lemon. Rogers, Mercado and Sinkewitz have won races,

Van
> Goolen hasn't done a whole lot yet, although he has shown some promise.
> Garrido? I had to check that he was on the team roster. They've also got
> Paolini, who is good when he's in form, but not lately.


Garrido was in the Pecharroman deal, the luxury domestique. Makes it all
more sour probably.
Remember last year they recruited stone-old Dufaux just for Virenque. That
looked odd, but Ricardo did his thing once more and Dufaux was of some help,
although not very visible. But there it was all acceptable.

Van Goolen is rather invisible and seems to be in stagnation, although most
observers always saw a Tour Top 10 in his abilities. Given Belgium's
performance there in recent DECADES, that's something to live for.
Verbugghe is the same kind of rider but then from the 'lost VDB generation',
and it surprised met that Lefevere with alls his smack about lazy assholes,
took him on board. He got time to grow at Lotto, did 2 good seasons and then
faded, while at the time it looked he had even more in him. A gamble, but
the contract probably reflects his last seasons.

Paolini has had his share of problems, but it is time to get back there. Or
he might become one of those (often Italians) who give brilliant sparkles at
a young age and then pursue their career in mediocrity. Remember Petito from
the Ronde? When he was a neo, he looked the next big thing. Pozzato might
be in that league too. He was very useful yesterday, but that kind of remote
launching should be below his abilities really.
 
Jenko wrote:
> Is Verbrugghe a pseudo-stage racer or a man for the Walloon week?
>
> Jenko


He is not a stage racer. Maybe he could make a 7th or 10th place in
the Giro, but that is ofcourse a pseudo-stage race spot, given the fact
that Bettini ended 7th in 98 and Sgambelluri 10th in 99.

He has to do it in Wallonia and prologues. Normally he should be able
of doing well at San Sebastian, Zurich and Lombardia too. However i
don't think he'll never win a classic again.

Kenny
 

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