Pedal grabs

Discussion in 'rec.sport.unicycling' started by thinuniking, Jun 5, 2004.

  1. thinuniking

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    I can crank grab but i want to learn to pedal grab.I can do the grab but
    i am unsure on the swingy up bit.Some seem to swing the wheel loads like
    Kris Holm in universe 1, when I do this I miss the pedal and catch the
    crank and land unbalanced.Or if i try the method were you hold it
    flatish and hardly move it like Ryan Atkins but when i do this i seem to
    land with the cranks vertical.
    HELP!!!!
    Ben


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  2. darchibald

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  3. I'm also looking for pedal grab advice for 'the unicycling tips and
    tutorials site.' (http://www.freewebs.com/andrewcarter/home.htm)

    Andrew


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  4. KlownLife

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    yeah, that would be more than helpful to get some tips on that,
    Jas'o


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  5. thinuniking

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  6. Alright, I'll do this one... First, it would be helpful to know if you
    hop to the left or right, right foot back or left, and if you do it seat
    out or seat in and if you hold with your right or left hand. I hop to my
    left, hold the seat with my right hand seat out, with my right foot
    back. With that in mind, there are two kinds of pedalgrabs I know how to
    do. The first kind is normal, like how Ryan Atkins does it, and the
    second is a crankflip, like how Mike Middleton does it. I will describe
    the first kind.

    Background: It should be mentioned that it took me over 3 months to
    learn to crankgrab, and it took me about 3 to learn to pedalgrab, but
    just due to lack of practice. I learned crankgrabs on a cement ledge
    with sand on one side and concrete on the other. The ledge was about 20"
    off the concrete and 6" off the sand, and was about 11" wide. I
    practiced pedalgrabs on a box that was 2' off the ground and had a top
    that was 2'x2.5'. I landed my first ever pedalgrab on a concrete ledge
    that was 16" high and had a top surface of abot 8'x30'.

    Now onto technique: Here I assume you can already crankgrab. If you
    can't, learn. Also, I assume you prefer to hop seat out. If you don't,
    all is not lost, but things may be a little bit harder. Find a large
    ledge, preferrably about 10'x10' or bigger. This is for the mental
    aspect. If you never feel nervous, ignore this. The ledge should be
    relatively low to the ground, so no matter how you fall (which you
    will), it's a light, easy fall. Now, ignore the first part of the
    pedalgrab, where you get up to pedal. You should already know this from
    crankgrabs. There was a time for me where I'd land on the pedal and then
    go to crank and then rubber, like muniracer.

    Climb onto the object and place your pedal on it, so that when you hold
    the seat and let the uni hang by the pedal, the crank just barely
    doesn't touch the ledge. Now, put your foot on the pedal, and put all
    your weight on it. Move the seat back and forth so that the wheel begins
    to swing back and forth along the pedal's axis of rotation. Now, stop
    the wheel from moving when the cranks are in the orientation that you
    would normally hop with. Here comes the hard parts. Put your outside
    foot on the pedal, trying not to look, as this may throw off you balance
    on the pedal.

    Once your foot is comfortably on the pedal (doesn't need to have any
    pressure), pull up on the seat so that your rear pedal is a bit higher
    up than your front pedal. Now for the hardest part. In one movement,
    pull in and lift up on the seat, so you end up jumping up off of the
    outside part of your pedal. Your pedals may approach vertical, and once
    you've gotten them as close to vertical as you dare, shift your weight
    onto both pedals and push back on the back pedal so you rotate the
    pedals back to horizontal. You may land on the object before this motion
    is complete. If so, treat it like a high seat out hop and just hop
    forward to adjust. You have completed a pedalgrab.

    The proccess is extremely difficult to explain, and the best advice I
    can give is to do what feel right. I still can't do a pedalgrab like
    what Kris does in U1. I just lifted the wheel a bit and went for it on
    the ledge. It was a low-stress move because of the size of the object,
    so I had no reservations. I landed it on my second try. Don't be
    surprised if it takes you a while to land it. Common problems I have is
    that I end up landing with vert. pedals, or goofy footed. Just getting
    used and accustomed to the move is good. Eventually your on a ride and
    you just feel like you can do it, and if your already accustomed to
    trying the move, you'll land it, I guarantee. Within a week of landing
    my first pedalgrab I had pedalgrabbed onto a column 32" off the ground
    that had a kinda crowned top. Three days later I pedalgrabbed over a
    chain link fence. Basically, once you can pedalgrab, a whole new world
    of obstacles opens up.

    Good Luck.

    I'll try to answer more questions later. I may have missed some
    concepts, or be inaccurate on some stuff, so feel free to correct me.

    P.S. thinuniking: Thanks for the punctuation! It's infinitely easier to
    read.


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  7. darchibald

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    > Three days later I pedalgrabbed over a chain link fence.



    :eek: !!! Like, grab the fence a little bit up, then jump and grab
    higher on the fence?!? I didn't think that was possible!


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  9. tennisgh22

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    mazem wrote:
    > *
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    > :eek: !!! Like, grab the fence a little bit up, then jump and grab
    > higher on the fence?!? I didn't think that was possible! *



    i dont think thats what he meant, tho i suppose with bevan (i hope i
    spelled your name right, forgive me if i didn't) anything is possible.

    it was probably just a fence short enough to pedal grab on off of one
    hop.

    -grant


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  10. Well after skimming through this thread I decided that, after two years
    of unicycling, it was about time I tried a pedal grab...so I did. I
    successfully landed the going to rubber part of it on my second attempt
    but haven't been able to successfully link the whole thing together yet
    (I only spent about 5 minutes). I did it on a rock in our garden with a
    reasonably sharp edge on it. It was fun.

    I used the 'swing the free pedal up as high as you dare and scare
    yourself before only just landing it' method. I started with the free
    pedal at a little below horizontal.

    So I'm happy now. :)

    Andrew


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  11. Congratjulations for landing it, Andrew! I also do the barely land it
    way, except on top of poles.

    Thanks for the complement, but I just do all the way to the top in one
    hop. You can't really cheat around that, unless the fence is angled.


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  12. Hey,

    First of all, it is extremely hard to do the second "to rubber" part of
    a crank hang or a pedal grab for me, and, maybe, all females. Probly has
    to do with the upper-body strength issue. Do any of you know any females
    who can do this!?

    Okay, so I can crank hang just fine (I grind backwardz!!) and I can
    usually pedal grab pretty good. Just onto a low object, mind you. I am
    very comfortable in the crank hang position, as I can do seat drop and
    stuff like that. But I have yet to make it up to rubber on anything from
    a grab or a hang. I got very close...but didn't quite make it. Damn!!

    So, I would like to know if you guys (and maybe girlz!) think its easier
    to get up to rubber from a pedal grab or a crank hang...just for the
    purposes of practice, I have heard that pedal grabbing is more accurate
    and stuff....but which would get me closer to making it to rubber? Also,
    if I DO do a pedal grab, would it help me at all to do the thing where
    you swing the uni (with the seat still in your hand) around the pedal
    360 +/- degrees, like they did in Under No Influence? Or would it just
    be best to swing just a little, like you're rocking or idling? I jump
    with the seat out in front of me, with my right foot back (I think I'm
    "goofy") and hop to the right. Is this a good setup? I also use both
    hands on the seat, unless I'm just doing it seat-in, which seems a lot
    harder to me. Is that okay? Well, I mean, it'll have to be okay, cuz
    there's no way I'm getting that height using just one hand!!!


    Another thought that occured to me was to use a smaller wheel (like a
    16") or a lighter unicycle. Does this make sense? Has anyone tried it
    yet? I could maybe just use that for learning and then graduate to my
    KH20".

    Oh, and, another question: when ppl pedal grab up onto something and
    then just keep their cranks horizontal the whole way through and hop up
    to rubber in this way, are they just pretty much pulling up on the seat
    as much as they need to to keep their cranks horizontal, like with
    grinding on the pedal, or do they actually just swing a little and I
    missed seeing that part?

    Any tips on how I could get to rubber or gain more upper-body strenght
    would be much appreciated. It sucks to be a chick in this regard cuz,
    even though I can lift a 150-pound person up off of the group, I still
    can't get this down!! Also, any tips on how to get my courage up to
    continue to do this with higher obstacles? I also thought about using my
    mini-trampoline to launch to get higher, use it to land on, or even do a
    kind of set-up where I grab or hang up onto something, and then have an
    obstacle over to the other side as the side that I just grabbed on which
    is not quite as tall (big a jump/hop) up to. And then try to land on
    rubber on that. It seems like it might work...give me some practice on
    hopping from the crank to rubber....??

    Thanks so much guys,

    L8er,


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  13. Well, I know you'll see your other thread, but I replied to it and tried
    to describe a technique that you could use. You could also use the
    advice I state here, but that's a different technique. It'll work. For
    the advice I gave in the other thread, don't listen to what is say here:
    > Here I assume you can already crankgrab. If you can't, learn.

    . That's not correct when it comes to the move described in the other
    thread.

    As for how people do pedalgrabs where it seems like their pedals are
    horizontal and they're just jumping off the pedal, it's an illusion. We
    lift the uni up past horizontal, and then do a quick swing up as we jump
    and then swing back to get back to horizontal, so we land with
    horizonatal pedals and start somewhere near horizontal. It looks like we
    don't swing, but we do. Ryan Atkins and Kris Holm both do it this way.
    You never learn to just jump off the pedal. It's just to hard to
    balance.

    Hope this and the other post help.


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  14. thinuniking

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    Yeah it's not about strength it's all about technique!I mean
    gerblefranklin is like 15 and i am 16 so i am probli more muscular(not
    saying you weak gerblefranklin k!) and from what i have seen he can hop
    far higher then me!
    Ben


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