Pedal reflectors



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Writing my submission for the RVLR consultation I was reminded of the following:

Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989; Schedule 20 Part 1:

Pedal Reflectors:

1. Number: Two reflectors on each pedal
2. Position-(a) Longitudinal: On the leading edge and the trailing edge of each pedal
3. Angles of visibility: Such that the reflector on the leading edge of each pedal is plainly
visible to the front and the reflector on the trailing edge of each pedal is plainly visible
to the rear

Your starter for ten and no conferring: how do you comply when riding a 'bent?

Guy
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In article <igb74vkcmtcb6kq0nsivu[email protected]>, [email protected] says... [...]
> Your starter for ten and no conferring: how do you comply when riding a 'bent?

You don't. 'Bents are thus illegal. The Dark Side has to be attacked at every opportunity by the
upright Forces for Good. The reflector legislation is but one aspect of this attack.

Wedgie Benn
 
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Writing my submission for the RVLR consultation I was reminded of the following:
>
> Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989; Schedule 20 Part 1:
>
> Pedal Reflectors:
>
> 1. Number: Two reflectors on each pedal

Its not just bent's, my SPD clipless pedals dont have reflectors, although my shoes do, only
at the back.
 
"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote:

> Writing my submission for the RVLR consultation I was reminded of the following:
>
> Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989; Schedule 20 Part 1:
>
> Pedal Reflectors:
>
> 1. Number: Two reflectors on each pedal
> 2. Position-(a) Longitudinal: On the leading edge and the trailing edge of each pedal
> 3. Angles of visibility: Such that the reflector on the leading edge of each pedal is plainly
> visible to the front and the reflector on the trailing edge of each pedal is plainly visible to
> the rear
>
> Your starter for ten and no conferring: how do you comply when riding a 'bent?
>

Glue a pair of pedals, fitted with reflectors to the top of your h**m*t?

John B
 
On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:03:50 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> Writing my submission for the RVLR consultation I was reminded of the following:
>
> Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989; Schedule 20 Part 1:
>
> Pedal Reflectors:
>
> 1. Number: Two reflectors on each pedal 2. Position-(a) Longitudinal: On the leading edge and the
> trailing edge of each pedal
> 3. Angles of visibility: Such that the reflector on the leading edge of each pedal is plainly
> visible to the front and the reflector on the trailing edge of each pedal is plainly visible to
> the rear
>
> Your starter for ten and no conferring: how do you comply when riding a 'bent?

I have pedals that are platforms on one side; clipless on the other. On the platform side, I've
stuck some reflective stickers that probably haven't been subject to a british standard test, but
are pretty good. So I guess I half-comply in spirit...

Perhaps one could put reflectors out to the side of the pedals using extended spindles. (extra drag
etc. etc.).

I have seen a poster arguing that motion that implies biological origin (e.g. lights taped to knees,
ankles, elbows & other joints) stands out far more strongly than stationary lights of the same
intensity - the argument seemed strong enough that I would like to comply if I could see a ready way
of doing so.

KW

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"Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> Its not just bent's, my SPD clipless pedals dont have reflectors, although my shoes do, only at
> the back.

I can't think of any clipless pedal system which has reflectors. Time, Look, Speedplay, SPD, SPD-R
and Egg Beaters don't (TTBOMK)
 
On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:49:43 +0000, "Kit Wolf" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I have pedals that are platforms on one side; clipless on the other. On the platform side,

But can ou fit a reflector to the leading edge and one to the trailing edge, such that they will be
clearly visible to the front and rear of the bike? On my recumbent that is physically impossible. A
leading-edge pedal reflector on my bike would be clearly visible to any low-flying aircraft, but not
from the front of the bike :)

Guy
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In article <b[email protected]>, FortyEight16 wrote:

> I can't think of any clipless pedal system which has reflectors. Time, Look, Speedplay, SPD, SPD-R
> and Egg Beaters don't (TTBOMK)

The documentation for my SPDs (M-324) shows clip-on reflectors as an aftermarket part. Never seen
them on sale anywhere mind you.

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Mike Quin <[email protected]
 
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> Writing my submission for the RVLR consultation I was reminded of the following:
>
> Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989; Schedule 20 Part 1:
>
> Pedal Reflectors:
>
> 1. Number: Two reflectors on each pedal
> 2. Position-(a) Longitudinal: On the leading edge and the trailing edge of each pedal
> 3. Angles of visibility: Such that the reflector on the leading edge of each pedal is plainly
> visible to the front and the reflector on the trailing edge of each pedal is plainly visible to
> the rear
>
> Your starter for ten and no conferring: how do you comply when riding a 'bent?
>

<BZZT> Price, London.

You extend the pedals long enough to protrude to the side of each foot, and attach a reflector to
each side of the protusion.

I haven't seen anyone selling pedals like these, so maybe I can claim to have invented them. In
case of legal action on behalf of a certain US cartoon production house, no they do not look like
mouse ears.

JimP
 
In article <igb74vkcmtcb6kq0nsivu0o523[email protected]>, [email protected] (Just zis Guy, you
know?) wrote:

> Your starter for ten and no conferring: how do you comply when riding a 'bent?
>
You don't. I was passed by three police cars today as I rode into Crawley (about three miles) and
not one of them stopped me for not having a full set of reflectors on my pedals.

Mind, even if I did have, you wouldn't be able to see them from front or rear as the pedals are not
usually in or near the horizontal plane. 'Planes might be able to see them, but not peds or cagers.

Robert
 
On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:06:52 +0000, Jim Price <[email protected]> wrote:

>You extend the pedals long enough to protrude to the side of each foot, and attach a reflector to
>each side of the protusion.

On stalks long enough to be seen past the rider's body. Oops! Now you have to redefine "leading
edge" and "trailing edge" with respect ot the extensions, not the original pedals.

Guy
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Mike Quin wrote:
> In article <b[email protected]>, FortyEight16 wrote:
>
>>I can't think of any clipless pedal system which has reflectors. Time, Look, Speedplay, SPD, SPD-R
>>and Egg Beaters don't (TTBOMK)
>
> The documentation for my SPDs (M-324) shows clip-on reflectors as an aftermarket part. Never seen
> them on sale anywhere mind you.
>
Should be possible to use any reflector from a 'normal' pedal with a metal cage. The two holes for
clipping on the reflector seem to have a standard diameter and distance. On my pedals I managed to
crack some of them while stepping into the SPD mechanism.

Guenther
 
On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:02:28 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry to reply to my own post, but in case you're interested here's my nearly finished response to
> the RVLR consultation:
>
><http://www.chapmancentral.com/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Road_Vehicle_Lighting_Regulations>
>

WRT the red flashing lights on recovery vehicles.

I think you are missing an important point here (I suspect you have probably thought about this but
it seems to be missing from your response) :-

On the motorway when driving along it can be very hard to see the recovery vehicle _operator_ due,
in large part to the abundance of very bright flashing lights on the recovery vehicle.

Because of this it would make sense for the _operator_ to be fitted with distinctive flashing lights
(they could afford to be very bright as the operator is usually not out of his vehicle for more than
an hour so a rechargable system that recharged from the cigarette lighter could be employed)
- this is not as easy for cyclists who may do several hours of cycling in the dark and can't afford
20W of flashing red light to the rear as well as 20W to the front)

But adding more lights to the recovery vehicle is not going to make the operator more visible.

I would also say that flashing red lights on a police vehicle have a significantly different use. It
is not uncommon for police cars to be stopped _in the carriageway_ and the red lights, in this
circumstance, are not warning lights but instruction lights - you MUST stop in this lane. The use of
these flashing red lights on the hard shoulder is harder to defend.

Tim.

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On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:00:09 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:49:43 +0000, "Kit Wolf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have pedals that are platforms on one side; clipless on the other. On the platform side,
>
> But can ou fit a reflector to the leading edge and one to the trailing edge, such that they will
> be clearly visible to the front and rear of the bike?

No, what I've done is to put the sticker on the platform side of my pedals, so that it's facing
the same direction as the sole of my foot (forwards) when I'm using the clipless side. It only
solves half the problem, but still an improvement. I'll post pictures if someone will send me a
digital camera...

A solution to the rear-facing reflector problem would be to put a reflector on the bottom end of a
heel-clip, which I know some recumbenteers use (a sort of L-shaped piece of bent metal, with your
heel in the bend of the 'L').

Kit

> On my recumbent that is physically impossible. A leading-edge pedal reflector on my bike would be
> clearly visible to any low-flying aircraft, but not from the front of the bike :)
>
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FortyEight16 wrote:
> "Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>>Its not just bent's, my SPD clipless pedals dont have reflectors, although my shoes do, only at
>>the back.
>
>
> I can't think of any clipless pedal system which has reflectors. Time, Look, Speedplay, SPD, SPD-R
> and Egg Beaters don't (TTBOMK)
>
>

As with so many questions the answer is Campagnolo:)

The profit pedals have optional reflectors..

See http://www.campagnolo.com/groupsets.php?gid=1&cid=9 for the details.

--
Chris dot Gerhard at btclick dot com.
 
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:05:04 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall <[email protected]> wrote:

>WRT the red flashing lights on recovery vehicles.

>On the motorway when driving along it can be very hard to see the recovery vehicle _operator_ due,
>in large part to the abundance of very bright flashing lights on the recovery vehicle.

Yes, that was (I think) in the orignal - maybe I should reinstate it. I think I used the
phrase "light pollution" or some such and then cut it out because I wasn't sure it was
appropriate in context.

Thanks.

>Because of this it would make sense for the _operator_ to be fitted with distinctive flashing
>lights (they could afford to be very bright as the operator is usually not out of his vehicle for
>more than an hour so a rechargable system that recharged from the cigarette lighter could be
>employed)

A point I did make, if not particularly forcefully

>But adding more lights to the recovery vehicle is not going to make the operator more visible.

Quite :)

>I would also say that flashing red lights on a police vehicle have a significantly different use.
>It is not uncommon for police cars to be stopped _in the carriageway_ and the red lights, in this
>circumstance, are not warning lights but instruction lights - you MUST stop in this lane. The use
>of these flashing red lights on the hard shoulder is harder to defend.

A good point.

Guy
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On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:21:54 +0000, "Kit Wolf" <[email protected]> wrote:

>A solution to the rear-facing reflector problem would be to put a reflector on the bottom end of a
>heel-clip, which I know some recumbenteers use (a sort of L-shaped piece of bent metal, with your
>heel in the bend of the 'L').

And which would still not be "clearly visible from the rear." The law, in this case, is an ass.

Guy
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> And which would still not be "clearly visible from the rear." The law, in this case, is an ass.

In this case it would seem that, as well placing your soul in immortal danger, your desire to
protect your ass (am. correct sp. ****) from discomfort you are contravening the construction & use
regulations.

Naughty.

T
 
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