Petition - Cipo Should Be Invited To The Tour de France

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  1. Hrn

    Hrn Guest

    A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the Tour de
    France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's event
    has affected fans around the world. In order to achieve this goal, a petition has been prepared
    which can be found at the below link.

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/397986825

    Please sign this petition and forward the link to as many people as possible.
     
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  2. Inconnu

    Inconnu Guest

    On Wed, 28 May 2003 15:19:25 -0700, HRN wrote:

    > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the Tour de
    > France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's
    > event has affected fans around the world.

    Hey guys sign up.

    Make sure you give a phony e-mail addy though 'cause this guy is gonna spam the sh!t outta ya
     
  3. Dashi Toshii

    Dashi Toshii Guest

    "inconnu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:p[email protected].net.cable.rogers.com...
    > On Wed, 28 May 2003 15:19:25 -0700, HRN wrote:
    >
    > > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the Tour
    > > de France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's
    > > event has affected fans around the world.
    >
    > Hey guys sign up.
    >
    > Make sure you give a phony e-mail addy though 'cause this guy is gonna spam the sh!t outta ya

    Especially since Velonews is reporting the Cipo is IN!

    Dashii
     
  4. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    "Dashi Toshii" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "inconnu"
    <[email protected]>
    > wrote in message
    >
    news:p[email protected] .net.cable.rogers.com...
    > > On Wed, 28 May 2003 15:19:25 -0700, HRN wrote:
    > >
    > > > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have
    come
    > > > together to show the Tour de France organizers that their
    decision to
    > > > exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's event has affected fans around the world.
    > >
    > > Hey guys sign up.
    > >
    > > Make sure you give a phony e-mail addy though 'cause this guy is
    gonna
    > > spam the sh!t outta ya
    >
    > Especially since Velonews is reporting the Cipo is IN!

    Why would you read that rag? The only true source of bicycle information is
    http://www.cyclingnews.com

    Unless you want to do business with the guys that claimed that their trademark included anything
    with the word "velo" in it.
     
  5. Inconnu

    Inconnu Guest

    On Thu, 29 May 2003 04:16:34 +0000, Tom Kunich wrote:

    >> > Make sure you give a phony e-mail addy though 'cause this guy is
    > gonna
    >> > spam the sh!t outta ya
    >>
    >> Especially since Velonews is reporting the Cipo is IN!
    >
    > Why would you read that rag? The only true source of bicycle information is
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com
    >
    > Unless you want to do business with the guys that claimed that their trademark included anything
    > with the word "velo" in it.

    Right on, remember the Velonet usenet fiasco a few years back?

    They apologized and backed off, but thousands of bikies, myself included, never bought a
    Velo$nooze again

    Nor ever shall I
     
  6. Amh

    Amh Guest

    [email protected] (HRN) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the Tour de
    > France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's
    > event has affected fans around the world. In order to achieve this goal, a petition has been
    > prepared which can be found at the below link.
    >

    As soon as Mr. "I'll send you a postcard from the Italian Riveria while you're riding in the Alps"
    signs a petition stating that he will complete all the stages of the tour.

    Andy
     
  7. Hrn

    Hrn Guest

    No one is going to spam anybody here. If you think this is worth 30 seconds of your time, go ahead
    and sign the petition. The petition is put together by a bunch of racers and cycling fans to show
    the Euros that we care about the sport here as well. We've received positive feedback from
    everyone that has been presented with this petition, except a few of you here on
    rec.bicycles.racing. That's too bad.

    [email protected] (amh) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > [email protected] (HRN) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the Tour
    > > de France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's
    > > event has affected fans around the world. In order to achieve this goal, a petition has been
    > > prepared which can be found at the below link.
    > >
    >
    > As soon as Mr. "I'll send you a postcard from the Italian Riveria while you're riding in the Alps"
    > signs a petition stating that he will complete all the stages of the tour.
    >
    > Andy
     
  8. amh <[email protected]> schreef in berichtnieuws
    [email protected]
    > [email protected] (HRN) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the Tour
    > > de France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's
    > > event has affected fans around the world. In order to achieve this goal, a petition has been
    > > prepared which can be found at the below link.
    > >
    >
    > As soon as Mr. "I'll send you a postcard from the Italian Riveria while you're riding in the Alps"
    > signs a petition stating that he will complete all the stages of the tour.
    >
    > Andy

    Nobody cared about McEwen announcing that he would quit the giro before he even started the
    first stage. And rightly so: McEwen's presence increased the competition in the sprints.
    Castellano did not care about sprinters not finishing, he just wanted a good race. Leblanc
    should follow that example.
     
  9. [email protected] (HRN) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > No one is going to spam anybody here. If you think this is worth 30 seconds of your time, go ahead
    > and sign the petition. The petition is put together by a bunch of racers and cycling fans to show
    > the Euros that we care about the sport here as well. We've received positive feedback from
    > everyone that has been presented with this petition, except a few of you here on
    > rec.bicycles.racing. That's too bad.
    >

    Are you joking, man? This is r.b.r.!

    If r.b.r. had existed in 1880, and someone came along and said, "I think I'm going to build a
    velocipede," they'd have been duly harassed and insulted right off the board. Same for anyone
    suggesting sliced bread, paved roads, penicillin, or holding a multi-week bike race around France...

    Check the r.b.r. charter. Where it says "Mission," you'll find the part that mandates the rote
    ridicule and contempt of even the most straightforward and earnest idea or request (except those
    seeking assballroom dancing partners).

    But who cares?

    Eric, off to sign the petition
     
  10. Hrn

    Hrn Guest

    I respectfully disagree with you. Not everyone that shows up to the Tour is there to win. Zabel who
    has won the green jersey god knows how many times, deserves a spot even though he is never going to
    "win the Tour". Similarly, the current road world champion who has accomplished so much and has
    brought so much to cycling clearly deserves a spot in the race. The Tour is not just a competition
    between the 5 guys that have a chance of winning, its a race between the sprint specialists, the
    climbers and the TT specialists as well.

    Nevertheless, I am glad that rather than bashing the petition, you just don't want to sign it
    because you disagree. Thank you.

    "Just a Cyclist" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Sorry I'm not signing........I don't believe in it. I want a person who's there to win the Tour,
    > not show up for PR! "HRN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > No one is going to spam anybody here. If you think this is worth 30 seconds of your time, go
    > > ahead and sign the petition. The petition is put together by a bunch of racers and cycling fans
    > > to show the Euros that we care about the sport here as well. We've received positive feedback
    > > from everyone that has been presented with this petition, except a few of you here on
    > > rec.bicycles.racing. That's too bad.
    > >
    > > [email protected] (amh) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > [email protected] (HRN) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the
    > > > > Tour de France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from
    > > > > this year's event has affected fans around the world. In order to achieve this goal, a
    > > > > petition has been prepared which can be found at the below link.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > As soon as Mr. "I'll send you a postcard from the Italian Riveria while you're riding in the
    > > > Alps" signs a petition stating that he will complete all the stages of the tour.
    > > >
    > > > Andy
     
  11. Dashi Toshii

    Dashi Toshii Guest

    "inconnu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:p[email protected].net.cable.rogers.com...
    > On Thu, 29 May 2003 04:16:34 +0000, Tom Kunich wrote:
    >
    >
    > >> > Make sure you give a phony e-mail addy though 'cause this guy is
    > > gonna
    > >> > spam the sh!t outta ya
    > >>
    > >> Especially since Velonews is reporting the Cipo is IN!
    > >
    > > Why would you read that rag? The only true source of bicycle information is
    > > http://www.cyclingnews.com
    > >
    > > Unless you want to do business with the guys that claimed that their trademark included anything
    > > with the word "velo" in it.
    >
    > Right on, remember the Velonet usenet fiasco a few years back?
    >
    > They apologized and backed off, but thousands of bikies, myself included, never bought a
    > Velo$nooze again
    >
    > Nor ever shall I

    Didn't know that it wasn't a good source for news, I'll have to take a closer look at it from
    here on out.

    Dashii
     
  12. "HRN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I respectfully disagree with you. Not everyone that shows up to the Tour is there to win. Zabel
    > who has won the green jersey god knows how many times, deserves a spot even though he is never
    > going to "win the Tour".

    <Snip>

    I think this is a bad example. Zabel won the green jerseys because he dragged his ass over the
    mountains and finished the race - something Mario has never shown any intention of doing. I think
    that most teams (and riders) show up with the intention of finishing. That's why you see teams
    chasing down breaks in the last week to protect their GC rider who is in the top ten. Most of the
    teams want to have a rider place as high as possible in the GC, even if they can't win.

    -T
     
  13. "Just a Cyclist" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Sorry I'm not signing........I don't believe in it. I want a person who's there to win the Tour,
    > not show up for PR!

    I'm hoping you didn't mean what you just wrote.

    "win the Tour" - there are no more than 5 people each year with that aspiration.

    Place top 10 in the tour - about 25 people.

    Win a stage in the tour - maybe 50.

    Do grunt work for the team - the rest.

    Not everybody goes to the tour to win it all. I seriously hope you don't think that.

    -a
     
  14. "Andrew Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Just a Cyclist" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Sorry I'm not signing........I don't believe in it. I want a person
    who's
    > > there to win the Tour, not show up for PR!
    >
    > I'm hoping you didn't mean what you just wrote.
    >
    > "win the Tour" - there are no more than 5 people each year with that aspiration.
    >
    > Place top 10 in the tour - about 25 people.
    >
    > Win a stage in the tour - maybe 50.
    >
    > Do grunt work for the team - the rest.
    >
    >
    > Not everybody goes to the tour to win it all. I seriously hope you don't think that.
    >
    > -a

    There is more than just the GC to win at the Tour. Several teams will compete for each of the
    overall prizes:

    GC Points Mountain Young Rider Team

    Not to mention stage wins (Of which I would say, a mountain stage is worth 2 or 3 sprint stages). If
    5 teams are competing for each of the big 5 prizes, then you've got at least 20 teams with a purpose
    (granted - there is some overlap), trying to finish the race. In my opinion, there's not much
    difference in having Mario race the first 5 or six days and maybe get 2-3 wins or inviting Euskatel
    and having one of their riders win a stage in the Pyrenees.

    -T
     
  15. Hrn

    Hrn Guest

    I agree, Zabel may have been a bad example, but the point is that not everyone is out there to win
    the whole thing. There are many riders there just to win stages, and Cipo is one of the best at
    doing just that. Botton line... he deserves a spot in the tour.

    "Tom Schulenburg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > "HRN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I respectfully disagree with you. Not everyone that shows up to the Tour is there to win. Zabel
    > > who has won the green jersey god knows how many times, deserves a spot even though he is never
    > > going to "win the Tour".
    >
    > <Snip>
    >
    > I think this is a bad example. Zabel won the green jerseys because he dragged his ass over the
    > mountains and finished the race - something Mario has never shown any intention of doing. I think
    > that most teams (and riders) show up with the intention of finishing. That's why you see teams
    > chasing down breaks in the last week to protect their GC rider who is in the top ten. Most of the
    > teams want to have a rider place as high as possible in the GC, even if they can't win.
    >
    > -T
     
  16. "HRN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I agree, Zabel may have been a bad example, but the point is that not everyone is out there to win
    > the whole thing. There are many riders there just to win stages, and Cipo is one of the best at
    > doing just that. Botton line... he deserves a spot in the tour.

    Of course he does, but he's spent too many years thumbing his nose at the organizers.

    Interpersonal relationships are just as important in professional athletics

    Losers? the fans.

    Who's to blame? Leblanc and Cipo, equally. It takes two.
     
  17. Jan

    Jan Guest

    HRN wrote:
    > I agree, Zabel may have been a bad example, but the point is that not everyone is out there to win
    > the whole thing. There are many riders there just to win stages, and Cipo is one of the best at
    > doing just that. Botton line... he deserves a spot in the tour.
    >

    My mother is probably Cipos biggest fan, even she doesn't think his team deserves a place on the
    Tour. Out of curiosity- which team do you suggest the TDF leave out and why?

    Jan

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  18. Hrn

    Hrn Guest

    Its too late to leave a team out of the tour. A mistake was made and 22 teams were invited, not
    including Cipo's DVE team. The only way to correct the mistake is to have 23 teams in this year's
    tour. They tried 23 in the Vuelta last year and it worked out okay. Why not do it in the tour?

    But if we were having this discussion last month, I would have argued that Domina Vacanze-Elitron
    should have been invited over any of the four wild cards because DVE has the current world champion.
    It should have been invited over JEAN DELATOUR and BRIOCHES LA BOULANGERE. I think there is a good
    argument that instead of DVE, AG2R PREVOYANCE should be invited because of Laurent Brochard, Jaan
    Kirsipuu and maybe Christoph Agnolutto and EUSKALTEL-EUSKADI should be invited because of Iban Mayo,
    David Etxebarria and Roberto Laiseka. But then again, neither of these teams has any contenders.
    Extebarria may have a mountain stage in him so may Laiseka (or not, since he is so old). Jaan
    Kirsipuu won a couple of sprint stages a few years back, but with the sprinting Aussie around, not
    to mention Petacchi, Zabel, and hopefully Cipo, he has no hope of doing anything. Laurent Brochard
    is past his prime. The only one listed above that has any shot is Iban Mayo who may place well in
    the GC, and that is a long shot. So, we come back to the fact that Cipo's team should have been
    invited over any of the four wild card teams.

    "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > HRN wrote:
    > > I agree, Zabel may have been a bad example, but the point is that not everyone is out there to
    > > win the whole thing. There are many riders there just to win stages, and Cipo is one of the best
    > > at doing just that. Botton line... he deserves a spot in the tour.
    > >
    >
    > My mother is probably Cipos biggest fan, even she doesn't think his team deserves a place on the
    > Tour. Out of curiosity- which team do you suggest the TDF leave out and why?
    >
    > Jan
    >
    >
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  19. Hrn

    Hrn Guest

    Oh Well! We tried!! Sorry Cipo. [email protected] (HRN) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > A group of American cycling fans in Los Angeles, California have come together to show the Tour de
    > France organizers that their decision to exclude the team of Mario Cipollini from this year's
    > event has affected fans around the world. In order to achieve this goal, a petition has been
    > prepared which can be found at the below link.
    >
    > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/397986825
    >
    > Please sign this petition and forward the link to as many people as possible.
     
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