Phil Liggett or Anthony McCrossen?

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  1. Frigo's Luggage

    Frigo's Luggage New Member

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    I was wondering what people think about which of these guys are the better announcers.

    I think Anthony and Brian kick Phil and Paul's collective assess. Anthony is great. Phil just gets things wrong and mispronounces names. Anthony and Brian talk as if the viewer knows whats going on. Phil dumbs everything down to the lowest common denominator. Oh yeah....Smith was a teamate of Armstrong's but doesn't mention it in every sentence like Bobke.
     
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  2. whiteboytrash

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    Frigo's Gear; In case you don't know we are not all American viewers here.... we don't know these people you speak of.... we watch EuroSport which doesn't have Phil or any other USPS dickfarks commentating. Please be considerate of your audience when posting. thank-you.
     
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    Frigo's Luggage New Member

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    Don't be obnoxious. If you don't like my post you can just ignore it.

     
  4. Eagle of Toledo

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    Better announcer? Well we'd first have to establish what exactly makes for a good announcer. As a public speaker to audiences of 100 to 1000+ for 25 years now I have my own take from the perspective of pure speaking ability and voice quality side of things.

    McCrossan - No bad, knows his stuff, informative, but voice quality is a little nasaly. Can be a bit monotonous, he needs to work on modulation (power, pitch & pace).

    Smith - As a rider obviously sharp to what's going on in the race, I like the accent so I could listen to him all day, but he is not actually putting much life into it. Not much is expected of the supporting announcer, he's there as an expert consultant mainly.

    Eurosport (name escapes me now - Duffield?) - Excellent, my favourite. When their audio is live I turn down CyclingTV and listen to the ES coverage. He's enthusiastic. His guest commentator Kelly on the otherhand, legend of a cyclist he is, a lively commentator he is not, not even his Irish accent can save him I'm afraid.

    Phil L - Gafs and cock-ups aside, he knows how to deliver with the medium of voice. He is a master of using modulation, power, pitch 'n' pace, that I've got to give him. He knows how to build anticipation, has perfect timing on the finishes. He also uses pausing to great effect, all are little nuances that most folks would miss. Make no mistake, he's using every techinque I've ever read about. Content aside it makes for an interesting listen, if nothing else.

    Paul S - Hmmm, OK as a supporting commentator, but has the "narsty" habit of repeating what Phil has just said when beginning his. When there's an important moment he steps aside for Phil. He's also running out of superlatives and descriptive terms, a good night with a thesaurus might help.
     
  5. JeremyP

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    Phil Liggett is to cycling as what Murray Walker is to Formula1. Classic commentary despite the gaffes. :D
     
  6. Eagle of Toledo

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    Not to be outdone either are the Italian Giro announcers from Rai Tv (one is an ex-pro), totally different style - very sharp, insightful and entertaining.
     
  7. vitamin s

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    im going with eagles on this one, for live coverage, the eurosport dude is top notch.

    but, phil liggett of the 1980's doing the recorded recaps of the tour de france could shit on any commentator in the business. he was that good. mont ventoux 1987, alpe d'huez 1988 and the 1987 paris roubaix coverage come to mind.
     
  8. classic1

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    You've got to be kidding. Duffield is the worst and most annoying commentator ever. Attacks are happening in the final and he's crapping on about the local wine and cheese. His 'stream of conciousness' commentary is the pits. Admittedly he did provide some excellent commentary during this years Milan-Sanremo. Unfortunately it was the 1992 race he was commentating on! :mad: This was while the riders were going over the Poggio. Put him out to pasture or shoot him IMO.
     
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    C1 I have to agree with you... he is diabolical..... he needs to be put down.... the other bloke is good... Mike Smith is it ? Not Kelly but the other bloke doing the Giro at the moment with Kelly.... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  10. Jan the man

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    Personally I think the duo of David Harmon and Sean Kelly of Eurosport are the best.
    - Harmon rarely makes many gaffes, has a good knowladge of the peloton and builds the tension up nicely.
    - Kelly whilst sometimes being quiet is exceptionally effective and knowledgeable. He is very good at predicting the race, and at judging riders conditions.
     
  11. micron

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    Harmon is the man - and not just because he announced my kid's birth during the Dauphine last year :D
     
  12. DV1976

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    I think that the Eagle meant David Harmon when he wrote Duffield...
    I too think that he is the best and he works well with Kelly who is always measured, yet extremely informative. The antithesis works well...
     
  13. classic1

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    There is an Aussie bloke by the name of Matt Keenan who is starting to do some commentary. He did Paris-Nice and was very good. Has raced in Europe apparently (though not as a pro as far as I know but as a top flight amatuer), and is very knowledgable.
     
  14. thunder

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    classic, Ed knows Keenan. Keenan won some races in France in the amateurs, and was 4th or 5th in the National champs rr in 95ish, perhaps 96. The year Nick Gates won. He won u23 as a result of his finish, but I do not think there was a formal u23 champion.

    Keenan knows more cycling than probably anyone outside Europe. He is a veritable encyclopedia. Would be good as a research bloke side by side the main commentators. He knows his stuff, but I don't think he has the "personality" for want of a better word.

    McCrossan for mine, he is so passionate and neve r gets it wrong. I hate Liggett's errors and plummy voice. He shits me. So does Sherwin. David Harmon and Duffers on Eurosport are good. And montone Sean Kelly are much better than Versus/OLN/SBS Liggett-Sherwen.
     
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    classic1 Well-Known Member

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    yeah, I knew ed was good mates with him. Don't know the guy personally, but he seems to be making a career for himself in the cycling media.
     
  16. House

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    That's what he does to get his much needed attention.
     
  17. Eagle of Toledo

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    Bingo DV1976, that's the guy. A class act. Definitely not Mr. Duffield, he's usually raving on about something else during very key moments (not always related to cycling either).
     
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    These days, I prefer Harmon and Kelly to the other two teams. Phil did a fine job in the 80s and early 90s, but I think has lost the plot as he has gotten older. He consistently fails to notice when they shift cameras from one group to the next, so he is constantly surprised. Things like "How did Zabel get up here? I thought he had missed the break." Paul kindly says, "This must be the chasing group."

    McCrossen forgets that his cycling.tv audience are a bunch of dedicated cycling fans. He's always busy explaining some basic cycling tactics or equipment, while skipping the real commentary. It's not like he's on broadcast TV, he's talking to a bunch of folks who are willing to pay a premium to watch a shaky little video on a computer. Give us some credit, Anthony. Hell, in this year's Paris Roubaix, he was talking about the barriers on the side of the road and the fans while giving absolutely no commentary on how the race split apart in Arenberg. It was 2 full minutes until we even found out who was in the lead.

    I wish we could get the Eurosport coverage in the US. I'd pay a premium for it.
     
  19. Eagle of Toledo

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    Indeed, he mis-identifies riders all the time too. You should hear Davide Cassani on the Giro, he can tell who a rider is from the helo shots! He knows exactly what's going on even when the pictures do not show it.

    Very valid point, Cycling.TV viewers are not the general public so he should be more specialised in his commentary.

    As would I, I asked my cable company and they only have "ES News" which are only 30-min wrap-ups of all types of Sporting events, so far no plans for ES1 or ES2 :(
     
  20. limerickman

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    David Harmon on Eurosport is top class - superb.

    I have to say though I do like Dave Duffield - he's a fanatic about the sport.
    OK his delivery isn't as good as Harmons but credit where it's due, in my opinion.
     
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