If I'm reading those right, the study showed that consumption of 100-160 g of ethanol resulted in an ~.3 increase in the ratio. Given that Floyd had only 17 g of ethanol, it seems unlikely that it resulted in a significant increase in the ratio.adapa said:maybe it was the beer
apparently 1 Amstel has ~17g ethonal which could skewe the testosterone test.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=3390919&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://gtcbike.org/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?action=display&num=24548
Perreiro made a statement.Greymattar said:A win by Pereiro would definately tarnish the Yellow Jearsey. But it's wasn't just Landis that let him go. It was all the other top riders as well, so they are as much to blame as Landis/Phonak.
If I started juicing would it make me a tour de france contender? Obviously not, so how can you infer anything from his teammates results. Maybe they were all doping and if they hadn't they would have had to abandon after stage 10. You seem to be lacking logic.stilesiii said:I know one thing is certain, If Landis was juiced, it is obvious that it wasn't a team wide problem. Did anybody else on the team finish in the top 50 GC, or win a stage?
Gosh, I wonder why Floyd left USPostal?JohnDDD said:Armstrong: "Floyd should have stayed with us"
Lance Armstrong, seven times winner of the Tour de France, and ex-teammate of Floyd Landis, said he was very disappointed when he heard the news. Armstrong: "This is bad for American cycling and bad for cycling in general. But as I have said before, this is the exact reason why Floyd should have stayed with the Discovery team. With our team, he would have been surrounded with better teammates, and maybe he wouldn't have lost so much time on the climb up to La Toussiere. And if he hadn't lost so much time, he wouldn't have been so desperate, and desperate men do desperate things." When asked if he ever suspected anything about Floyd when he rode with him, Armstrong replied: "No, for the simple reason that there was never any despair in our team. We always kept it tight, there was never any reason to panic and thus no reason to take any illegal substances. I was a clean rider for all of my career and so was Floyd before he left our team."
With friends like that Landis didn´t need ant enimies...helmutRoole2 said:Gosh, I wonder why Floyd left USPostal?
...if he'd stayed with us he never would have been caught...JohnDDD said:Merckx: "In my days all days like this"
Five times Tour de France winner Eddy Merckx said in a brief statement that the contra-expertise should be awaited at all times and that he still trusts Floyd Landis completely and is positive Landis didn't take any illegal substances. Merckx added that no big fuss should be made about a substance like testosteron for two reasons. "It doesn't work that well for Floyd to perform like he did in stage 17", Merckx said. "In my days", Mercxk added, "it was every day like that anyways so why bother about those little things." Merckx went on that "it is typical for the current generation in cycling to go on about meaningless things, whether they had any truth or not. In my days we would just be more eager to win the next competition when things like this happened."
Armstrong: "Floyd should have stayed with us"
Lance Armstrong, seven times winner of the Tour de France, and ex-teammate of Floyd Landis, said he was very disappointed when he heard the news. Armstrong: "This is bad for American cycling and bad for cycling in general. But as I have said before, this is the exact reason why Floyd should have stayed with the Discovery team. With our team, he would have been surrounded with better teammates, and maybe he wouldn't have lost so much time on the climb up to La Toussiere. And if he hadn't lost so much time, he wouldn't have been so desperate, and desperate men do desperate things." When asked if he ever suspected anything about Floyd when he rode with him, Armstrong replied: "No, for the simple reason that there was never any despair in our team. We always kept it tight, there was never any reason to panic and thus no reason to take any illegal substances. I was a clean rider for all of my career and so was Floyd before he left our team."
I think you have been had. Where is the source of these quotes. All I've seen Armstrong say is the following:helmutRoole2 said:Gosh, I wonder why Floyd left USPostal?
Armstrong is always playing the advantages.... that is a very vindictive statment ! I wonder what Lance is talking about when he talking off "strong team"... juding on their performance this year they are not a strong team...helmutRoole2 said:Gosh, I wonder why Floyd left USPostal?
JohnDDD said:Merckx: "In my days all days like this"
Five times Tour de France winner Eddy Merckx said in a brief statement that the contra-expertise should be awaited at all times and that he still trusts Floyd Landis completely and is positive Landis didn't take any illegal substances. Merckx added that no big fuss should be made about a substance like testosteron for two reasons. "It doesn't work that well for Floyd to perform like he did in stage 17", Merckx said. "In my days", Mercxk added, "it was every day like that anyways so why bother about those little things." Merckx went on that "it is typical for the current generation in cycling to go on about meaningless things, whether they had any truth or not. In my days we would just be more eager to win the next competition when things like this happened."
Armstrong: "Floyd should have stayed with us"
Lance Armstrong, seven times winner of the Tour de France, and ex-teammate of Floyd Landis, said he was very disappointed when he heard the news. Armstrong: "This is bad for American cycling and bad for cycling in general. But as I have said before, this is the exact reason why Floyd should have stayed with the Discovery team. With our team, he would have been surrounded with better teammates, and maybe he wouldn't have lost so much time on the climb up to La Toussiere. And if he hadn't lost so much time, he wouldn't have been so desperate, and desperate men do desperate things." When asked if he ever suspected anything about Floyd when he rode with him, Armstrong replied: "No, for the simple reason that there was never any despair in our team. We always kept it tight, there was never any reason to panic and thus no reason to take any illegal substances. I was a clean rider for all of my career and so was Floyd before he left our team."
bauerfan said:I think you have been had. Where is the source of these quotes. All I've seen Armstrong say is the following:
"On Thursday, Armstrong was riding in RAGBRAI, an annual bike ride across Iowa that attracts thousands of riders.
At the first break in Sully, Iowa, about 50 miles southeast of Des Moines, Armstrong had little to say at the Coffee Cup Cafe, where he grabbed a slice of coconut cream pie and a big glass of ice water.
When asked about Landis, Armstrong told The Associated Press: "I'm not here to talk about that."
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/07/27/ap/sports/d8j4f8voe.txt
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/15137554.htmmoviekindoflife said:a few hours ago there was an article up on the local newspaper's site with comments from floyd's mom saying that she had talked to floyd and was sure this would all blow over. Cant seem to find it now tough.....
www.philly.com
if anyone wants to help me look
JohnDDD said:Merckx: "In my days all days like this"
Five times Tour de France winner Eddy Merckx said in a brief statement that the contra-expertise should be awaited at all times and that he still trusts Floyd Landis completely and is positive Landis didn't take any illegal substances. Merckx added that no big fuss should be made about a substance like testosteron for two reasons. "It doesn't work that well for Floyd to perform like he did in stage 17", Merckx said. "In my days", Mercxk added, "it was every day like that anyways so why bother about those little things." Merckx went on that "it is typical for the current generation in cycling to go on about meaningless things, whether they had any truth or not. In my days we would just be more eager to win the next competition when things like this happened."
Armstrong: "Floyd should have stayed with us"
Lance Armstrong, seven times winner of the Tour de France, and ex-teammate of Floyd Landis, said he was very disappointed when he heard the news. Armstrong: "This is bad for American cycling and bad for cycling in general. But as I have said before, this is the exact reason why Floyd should have stayed with the Discovery team. With our team, he would have been surrounded with better teammates, and maybe he wouldn't have lost so much time on the climb up to La Toussiere. And if he hadn't lost so much time, he wouldn't have been so desperate, and desperate men do desperate things." When asked if he ever suspected anything about Floyd when he rode with him, Armstrong replied: "No, for the simple reason that there was never any despair in our team. We always kept it tight, there was never any reason to panic and thus no reason to take any illegal substances. I was a clean rider for all of my career and so was Floyd before he left our team."
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