I was hesitant to post this because of the multiplicity of threads that already exist on weight training as a method for improving their cycling. However, this is not a "gyming to improve cycing" thread by any means as I'm pretty much in agreement with Ric Stern and A. Coggan, 2LAP, RapDaddy, Frenchyge, Biker-Linz, Roadie_Scum and the many others who's conclusions are there isn't any benefit in trained cyclists so let's move past that.
My questions are for those of you that do train with weights for whatever reasons.
1) Have you noticed that your HR is substantially higher for a given effort if you do your cycling sessions (or any aerobic work for that matter) AFTER weights as opposed to before weights?
2) What is the physiological reason for this?
I know the short answer is fatigue, but I was hoping that someone could offer some insight or something that I don't already know. Perhaps somebody knows a pointy head, Jeff Goldblum, science guy type answer?
Some background. I've recently switched emphasis from cycling only to weights with a dash of cycling (via indoor trainer) thown in for good measure. I've been doing this for the past couple of weeks.
The weight routine is very basic. I'm currently using very light weights three out of five days per week with body divided into thirds so that each bodypart gets trained every 5 days. Also only doing 3 sets per bodypart. Over time I will add sets and go a little heavier (i.e. fewer reps) but for now I'm getting sore as I'm fairly detrained for lifting and am being cautious while breaking back into it after so much time off.
Most exercises (except squats) are supersetted so that I can 1) save time, and 2) get a little added aerobic benefit out of it. My HR during these brief 25 min. weight workouts averages anywhere between 68% - 76% of my known max of 191. After these ~25 minute mini break-in workouts I'll jump on the bike (using Fluid2 trainer) and ride at brisk but not too taxing pace for 20 minutes and yet my average HR for these trainer sessions will be between 84% & 87% of max.
Normally I'd have to bust my hump to get an avg. HR of 85% while indoors on the trainer with a large box fan blowing accross me and the air conditioning on (outside in the peak of Summer heat is a different story). Even for my personal best 30 minute trainer session (Aug 9th) my average HR was only 84% and I was giving it pretty much everything I had. However, doing these trainer sessions AFTER weights I feel like I could sustain an average of 85% max or more for an hour without difficulty. It feels like I'm putting in 75% HR efforts and getting 85% HR output on the HRM.
My questions are for those of you that do train with weights for whatever reasons.
1) Have you noticed that your HR is substantially higher for a given effort if you do your cycling sessions (or any aerobic work for that matter) AFTER weights as opposed to before weights?
2) What is the physiological reason for this?
I know the short answer is fatigue, but I was hoping that someone could offer some insight or something that I don't already know. Perhaps somebody knows a pointy head, Jeff Goldblum, science guy type answer?
Some background. I've recently switched emphasis from cycling only to weights with a dash of cycling (via indoor trainer) thown in for good measure. I've been doing this for the past couple of weeks.
The weight routine is very basic. I'm currently using very light weights three out of five days per week with body divided into thirds so that each bodypart gets trained every 5 days. Also only doing 3 sets per bodypart. Over time I will add sets and go a little heavier (i.e. fewer reps) but for now I'm getting sore as I'm fairly detrained for lifting and am being cautious while breaking back into it after so much time off.
Most exercises (except squats) are supersetted so that I can 1) save time, and 2) get a little added aerobic benefit out of it. My HR during these brief 25 min. weight workouts averages anywhere between 68% - 76% of my known max of 191. After these ~25 minute mini break-in workouts I'll jump on the bike (using Fluid2 trainer) and ride at brisk but not too taxing pace for 20 minutes and yet my average HR for these trainer sessions will be between 84% & 87% of max.
Normally I'd have to bust my hump to get an avg. HR of 85% while indoors on the trainer with a large box fan blowing accross me and the air conditioning on (outside in the peak of Summer heat is a different story). Even for my personal best 30 minute trainer session (Aug 9th) my average HR was only 84% and I was giving it pretty much everything I had. However, doing these trainer sessions AFTER weights I feel like I could sustain an average of 85% max or more for an hour without difficulty. It feels like I'm putting in 75% HR efforts and getting 85% HR output on the HRM.