Pics of Campa 11 speed

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On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Lou Holtman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > "Derk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>
> > Campagnolo has gone completely over the top. Looks like I'll be
> > switching most of my stuff over to Shimano 9-speed with barend shifters.
>
> Just to PO Campagnolo? They OFFER 11 speed, they don't put a gun to your
> head to buy it.
>
> Lou

Cadillac did when I bought my Escalade. Should I have opted for the
Campy rims?

tf

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

On Jun 19, 10:53 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:> "Derk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
> > |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo....
> > |
> > | Derk
>
> > Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>
> > It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> ===============
> 'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
> about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
> will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
> Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
> the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
> well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
> heart deals with shimano and sram.
> ===============
>
> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as you
> say, don't  "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate..
>
> --Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.

 

[Scott Gordo]

On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>
> Derk

I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
chains.

Sure, I don't have to buy....

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:20:51 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>>
>> Derk
>
>I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
>anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
>10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience,


A little bit more, but just a little.

 

[Michael Press]

In article
<[email protected]>,
Scott Gordo <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
> > http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
> >
> > Derk
>
> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
> chains.
>
> Sure, I don't have to buy....

My nine speed down tube shifters have not given me a smidgeon of worry
from the day they were installed.

--
Michael Press

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Scott Gordo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
> > http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
> >
> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
> chains.

The word is that the 10 speeds were only that way for a couple of month's
after release.

 

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
> you
> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

-BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
-spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
-biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.

They've tried, and gotten burned. Campy isn't set up to supply modern
factories on a just-in-time schedule. My guess is that Campy likes things
just the way they are, or they'd change. It's kinda cool they still work
that way, actually. Otherwise they'd just be another Shimano. For Campy to
adopt modern manufacturing methodologies would probably require that
everything get done in Japan, Taiwan or China, just like everyone else. Is
that really what you want? If Campy gave in to the demands of Trek or
Specialized, my guess is that that's what would happen.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:e25f79b9-8967-4ad5-8131-05f5bc5095e5@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 19, 10:53 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in
> messagenews:[email protected]...
> On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:>
> "Derk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
> > |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
> > |
> > | Derk
>
> > Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>
> > It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> ===============
> 'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
> about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
> will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
> Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
> the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
> well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
> heart deals with shimano and sram.
> ===============
>
> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
> you
> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.

 

[jim beam]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
>> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>>
>> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
>> you
>> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> -BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
> -spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
> -biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.
>
> They've tried, and gotten burned. Campy isn't set up to supply modern
> factories on a just-in-time schedule. My guess is that Campy likes things
> just the way they are, or they'd change. It's kinda cool they still work
> that way, actually. Otherwise they'd just be another Shimano. For Campy to
> adopt modern manufacturing methodologies would probably require that
> everything get done in Japan, Taiwan or China, just like everyone else. Is
> that really what you want? If Campy gave in to the demands of Trek or
> Specialized, my guess is that that's what would happen.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the
moment? excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. what gives?




>
>
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:e25f79b9-8967-4ad5-8131-05f5bc5095e5@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 10:53 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> messagenews:[email protected]...
>> On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:>
>> "Derk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>>> |
>>> | Derk
>>> Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>>> It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> ===============
>> 'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
>> about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
>> will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
>> Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
>> the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
>> well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
>> heart deals with shimano and sram.
>> ===============
>>
>> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
>> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>>
>> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
>> you
>> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
> spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
> biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.
>
>

 

[A R:nen]

jim beam <[email protected]> writes:

> off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the
> moment? excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. what gives?

Uh, maybe it's because Campy stopped making them about two years ago?
(This year hubs are available in Record, Centaur and Mirage only, and
I guess next year Mirage will be gone along with the rest of the gruppo.)

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

On Jun 20, 3:20 pm, Scott Gordo <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>
> > Derk
>
> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
> chains.
>
> Sure, I don't have to buy....

As for Campagnolo being 'overshadowed' by Sram, I don't get this.
Campagnolo does little to no OEM at any level, shimano does gobs. Many
bikes that were spec'ed with shimano 105/ultegra/DA came out in 2008
with Rival/Force/Red..who lost market share was shimano, not
Campagnolo. In our little microcosm of a bike shop where we start with
a frame, where we have all three shifter types on demo bikes, most
still opt for Campagnolo(85%), followed by shimano, Zero so far for
Sram this year.

 

[Lou Holtman]

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On Jun 20, 3:20 pm, Scott Gordo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>>> Derk
>> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
>> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
>> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
>> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
>> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
>> chains.
>>
>> Sure, I don't have to buy....
>
> As for Campagnolo being 'overshadowed' by Sram, I don't get this.
> Campagnolo does little to no OEM at any level, shimano does gobs. Many
> bikes that were spec'ed with shimano 105/ultegra/DA came out in 2008
> with Rival/Force/Red..who lost market share was shimano, not
> Campagnolo. In our little microcosm of a bike shop where we start with
> a frame, where we have all three shifter types on demo bikes, most
> still opt for Campagnolo(85%), followed by shimano, Zero so far for
> Sram this year.


Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on
complete bikes.

Lou

 

[Derk]

Lou Holtman wrote:

> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on
> complete bikes.
In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes
(Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken).

Derk

 

[Lou Holtman]

Derk wrote:
> Lou Holtman wrote:
>
>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on
>> complete bikes.
> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes
> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken).
>
> Derk


Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most
people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano.

Lou

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Lou Holtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Derk wrote:
>> Lou Holtman wrote:
>>
>>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on
>>> complete bikes.
>>
>> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes
>> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken).
>
> Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most
> people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano.

At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the
numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds?

We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than
that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important
race?

 

[jim beam]

A R:nen wrote:
> jim beam <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the
>> moment? excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. what gives?
>
> Uh, maybe it's because Campy stopped making them about two years ago?

thank you - i didn't know that. but, uh, maybe that's why i asked?



> (This year hubs are available in Record, Centaur and Mirage only, and
> I guess next year Mirage will be gone along with the rest of the gruppo.)

 

[M-gineering]

Tom Kunich wrote:

>
> At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the
> numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds?
>
> We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than
> that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important
> race?
>
I/m sure loads of Juniors will line up for a
25-23-21-19-17-16-15-14-14-14-14 cassette

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

 

[jim beam]

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Lou Holtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Derk wrote:
>>> Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes,
>>>> even on
>>>> complete bikes.
>>>
>>> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes
>>> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken).
>>
>> Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most
>> people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano.
>
> At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the
> numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds?

so vote with your freakin' wallet!!! "money" has a magical effect on
most forms of commercial enterprise. and campagnolo was one, last time
i looked.


>
> We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than
> that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important
> race?

quack quack quack.

fortunately, [i'm very confident in assuming,] you don't any significant
influence on this kind of thing, so i think the rest of the market place
can decide the future without you.

 

[Lou Holtman]

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Lou Holtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Derk wrote:
>>> Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes,
>>>> even on
>>>> complete bikes.
>>>
>>> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes
>>> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken).
>>
>> Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most
>> people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano.
>
> At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the
> numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds?
>
> We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than
> that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important
> race?
>


Where are you afraid of Tom? Stop worrying for me, I'm a big boy now.

Lou

 

[Frank Krygowski]

On Jun 20, 5:20 pm, Scott Gordo <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>
> > Derk
>
> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
> 10 speed is fiddly?

On a folding bike, I've found that even 9 speed is fiddly. It takes a
while to settle down after unfolding, and is never completely reliable
regarding "one click = one shift."

- Frank Krygowski

 

[M-gineering]

Scott Gordo wrote:
> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/2008/06/18/campagnolo-2009-ergopo...
>>
>> Derk
>
> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
> chains.

opposite really, I find 10 sp is easier to set up than 9-sp
--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl