Pinarello Dogma Or Colnago C50?

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Pinarello Dogma Or Colnago C50?

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  1. waki

    waki New Member

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    Planning to purchase one of these frames.Pinarello Dogma Or Colnago C50?Colour?Thanks.
     
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  2. isdsms

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    Man you've got some cash in your pockets! I really have no idea.
     
  3. LIMBA

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    Cervello R2.5.
     
  4. patch70

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    I don't think you can go wrong either way but I'd lean towards the C50 - mainly because of the carbon. You should get many years out of it compared with ??? for the Mg of the Dogma.
     
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    Hello....Both of these frames are tested in the pro peleton so you can't go wrong. Here are several factors though that might help you out. 1.What type of terrain do you ride? 2.Which geometry did you like the best. you have test ridden both rides? 3. Do you want a full carbon or a hybrid ( i.e. carbon&alluminuim)? 4. How much do you weigh? 5. and in the end I would factor all of these in and then go with the one you liked better. There are so many nice rides out there I dont believe could go wrong with either of these decisions. You might want to contact Brendan Quirk at Competitive Cyclist he deals both of these frames and can give you an objective outlook on both...Enjoy your new ride! Brian Peters
     
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    You are spending that much loot and trolling for opinions ??? Gimme a break.
     
  8. ART

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    I am thinking of one of these 2 bikes or a Calfee Dragonfly. I currently ride a Kestrel 200 Sci which I love. The Dogma would be different - a nice change but I am worried about the longevity of the frame. I dont know what Pinarello's warranty is like. Both the C-50 and the Calfee may be very much like my current ride. On the other hand I know I like full carbon. If I decide to go with another all carbon frame it will be difficult to decide between the Calnago and the Calfee. Calnago owners swear by the C-40 and the C-50 is supposed to be very similar but lighter and more responsive. The Calfee is suppose to provide a very lively ride for carbon. I would love to test ride one but its not the kind of bike shops have on hand to demo. Tough decision.
     
  9. dhk

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    These are a bit too flashy for me, but if you really want over-the-top prestige, how about the silver carbon Dogma Ego? A guy here saw one on the Ride for the Roses and said it was incredible. Competitive Cyclist has one listed on their website for $16250 US....frame only of course.

    Dan
     
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    Wow!

    I've got a drool evoking picture of the Merckx mXm (red and black of course) on my desktop, but that Pinarello DE...oh my, just downright cycle-ishous!

    I'm not saying that I am so psychologically competitive that I can't enjoy a sweet ride, but I'd want some great gams to back it up!! I guess that would be good motivation to keep your fitness high =)
     
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    If you were to buy a $2000+ suit, would you buy something off the rack at Bloomies or would you have it custom tailored for you. When you are spending this kind of money you should not compromise at all. Especially on fit! There are a couple of dozen certified fit specialists around the USA that can determine if one of those frames is a better fit for you. If neither frame is anything less than a perfect fit, Parlee cycles (one of Zinn's favorites at Interbike) and Calfee are the only 2 manufacturers of carbon that will do full custom. And you will actually spend much less on these frames than either of the Italian steeds. Plus they offer a better warranty . Both frames are race proven. Calfee in the tour de france under lemond and Tyler Hamilton got 2nd in the Giro last year on a Parlee with Look decals on it. Contact me directly ([email protected]) and I'll point you in the right direction. The Italian stuff might work great for you but it also might be a huge waste of $6000+.
     
  13. Rudy

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    well, I was pondering about this question as well for a long time. Can a $7000 bike be better than some $3000 or $4000 bike?

    The Colnago and Pinarello don't have a lifetime warranty, right? what? a 4 year warranty?

    would something like a Litespeed Ultimate be better? the responsiveness of Ti and a lifetime warranty. Does the Colnago fit really is that much better?

    If someone has ride all of these bikes, please share the experience with me. I like the Colnaga and all but I just though for that much money, it's a little bit too much hype.
     
  14. blip

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    With either of those bikes you had better be kicking ass and taking names. I could not imagine anything better than dropping someone riding on a Colnago C50 or Dogma.
    Just buy both, you seem to have the ca$$h
     
  15. Rudy

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    well...I don't think you have to be sir "Lance" to own or ride one of these steed...the pure enjoyment and the attitude of doing your best is enough. Not all of us have the same ability.

    However I do wonder about the ride quality of one of these bikes, especially at the asking price around $6000 to $8000. Are they really that good? or are they over hyped with the Italian's mystique. With just a four year warranty, like I said earlier, wouldn't a Ti frame with a lifetime warranty be better served?
     
  16. dhk

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    Rudy: Isn't the Litespeed warranty like most everyone else's...ie, it excludes "normal wear and tear", ie, fatigue failures? If Colnago covers fatigue failures for four years, that's a lot better than most warranties today.

    Dan
     
  17. Rudy

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    hhmmm I'm not sure...but still aren't we talking about Titanium vs. carbon fibre? what is normal wear and tear on a Ti frame? It is still a much more durable frame than a carbon fibre.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm building a Kestrel Talon right now. It's just that for $8000 on a bike, I would want it less susceptible to impact failures like a cb frame would be...etc...

    I was just thinking if I have a few K to drop, would I get a Colnago or a top of the line Ti frame like the Litespeed Ultimate. A little ding on a Carbon frame would be disastrous though.

    Speaking of legendary fit from Colnago. I believe you can get a customed frame of your tube size from Litespeed for an extra $500.

    Fatigue failure in a four year period is not much I don't think. I really would like to now how good of a ride is a C-50 Colnago.
     
  18. Stellite

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    Well, as for Ti versus Carbon here, both materials offer high strength to weight and are ideal for frames. The Carbon has a much higher strength to weight ratio and is less likely to get dinged. In other words the rock that would ding Ti would most likely would only leave a scratch on Carbon. The obvious advantage to Ti is that if both frames are damaged in the same way the Ti frame is less likely to fail instantly. However it takes a lot more to damage the carbon than the Ti. Also the Weave used in top end frame carbon is high density with cross layers which makes it extremely strong in all directions. I like both materials and would own either. You have to know what properties to look for in each.

    As for the Dogma Ego, at 16K that is absolutely rediculous. Being an ME there is only one material that I would pay half that much for if it was made into a bike frame, and magnesium is not it. I would take a DeRosa King, C50 or Serota Ottrot Ti/Carbon over that anyday. For that kind of money I could get one of each.
     
  19. dhk

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    Carbon fiber may have a much higher tensile strength than other materials on paper, but that really doesn't translate to much of a weight savings vs. Al or Ti. If you use bottom bracket stiffness as a parameter, weight savings of carbon and Ti lose a lot of their advantage. The damage issue with carbon is that the epoxy is easily scratched (compared to metals), and also an impact that wouldn't dent metal could cause delamination internally without any outward sign of damage.

    And, a high-end steel frame only weights a few ounces more than Ti or Al. Lots of people still favor steel for its ride characteristics and appearance. To me, a Foco or UltraFoco frame with the mega downtube, diamond seatstays, and almost invisible welds, is about as cool as a frame gets. Guess that's why all these materials are still on the market and have a great following.

    Dan
     
  20. Stellite

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    Actually, well made carbon fibre is much more resistance to fatigue than metals. It also does not have any appreciable aging like all metals do, where they become softer with age. I guess it all depends on the mfg. If you buy a $500 carbon frame, then that is what you get. The ultrafoco is known for having tinfoil thin tubing. If you dent that frame you better throw it away.

    I thought that following was interesting. Even though it is a small sampling it shows a trend in the steel frames.

    http://www.bikeworx.net/Road Bikes.htm
     
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