Please sign the bus lane petition.



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Fr Jack

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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:


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>Assuming that by Guy you mean me,


Oh, hell! Absolutely not!

Sorry about that, I appear to have missed out "that" and substituted
an Americanism <spit> and used the word "guy" instead of "bloke".

I'll take my fingers outside and shoot them, now. ;-)
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Fr. Jack

The ex(un)civil servant
 
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Just zis Guy, you know?

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On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:51:20 +0100, Fr Jack <[email protected]> said in
<[email protected]>:

>I'll take my fingers outside and shoot them, now. ;-)


I'd blame it on the DRINK! if I had the excuse of your nick :eek:)

Guy
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Nuxx Bar

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On May 28, 7:45 pm, Sir Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 28 May, 19:20, Colin McKenzie <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
>
> > Nick wrote:
> > > spindrift wrote:
> > >>http://www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=1145
> > >> The evidence seems clear to me, motorbikes are faster moving, heavier,
> > >> and pose a greater risk to cyclists.
> > > I'd sign one to ban buses from bus lanes but I don't have a problem with
> > > motorbikes.

>
> > The issues are:
> > - Do you want to promote motorcycling?
> > Allowing them in bus lanes will increase their numbers throughout London..
> > - What are bus lanes for?
> > Buses.
> > - Why were cycles allowed in them?
> > Because of the effect of forcing them into the other lane (petrified
> > cyclists and delayed motorists). These effects do not happen with
> > motorbikes.
> > - How much space do you want when overtaken?
> > In a typical 3-metre bus lane, a cyclist riding far enough out to
> > prevent a taxi from squeezing past within the lane will leave about
> > 1.6m gap on their right. A motorcyclist would aim at the middle of
> > this gap, passing within half a metre of the cyclist. At present they
> > try to encroach as litle as possible on the bus lane.

>
> > The recommended width for a bus lane is 4.5m. Allowing motorbikes only
> > in bus lanes this wide would have less direct impact on cyclists'
> > safety, but would still promote motorcycling.

>
> > Colin McKenzie

>
> > --
> > No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at
> > the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as
> > walking.
> > Make an informed choice - visitwww.cyclehelmets.org.

>
> What's wrong with promoting motor bikes?  They certainly reduce
> congestion


No-one's allowed powered private transport. Everyone's got to use
public transport and then walk/cycle the rest of the way, no matter
how inconvenient, expensive, unpleasant and unfeasible it is. And
while cycling, everyone's got to be a complete **** towards car
drivers, because cycling is morally superior to driving.

We've seen from the trolls' stubborn support of speed cameras that
their crusade against powered private transport is more important to
them than safety. Therefore, they would rather keep motorcycles out
of bus lanes, despite the safety benefits that it brings. More people
dying is OK as long as driving and motorcycling are discouraged. And
now, instead of just fantasising on forums about killing road users
like he usually does, Spindrift is trying to make sure that he and his
fellow trolls make a real contribution to the death toll with this
petition. Luckily, Boris won't listen, because he's aware of these
militant cyclists and their extremist, killer agendas. Being a decent-
minded cyclist himself, he must detest the way that cyclists'
reputations are tarnished by these idiot trolls and their misanthropic
hatred.

If (by any slim chance) anyone here is thinking of signing the
petition because they really think it will save lives, please be aware
that Spindrift is using you to further his anti-powered private
transport agenda, and the statistics show that allowing motorcycles
into bus lanes is safer for all road users. In other words, anyone
who signs this petition will have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.

Thanks

Mike
 
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Martin

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Nick wrote:
> spindrift wrote:
>> http://www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=1145
>>
>> The evidence seems clear to me, motorbikes are faster moving, heavier,
>> and pose a greater risk to cyclists.
>>

> I'd sign one to ban buses from bus lanes but I don't have a problem with
> motorbikes.


I agree with that. I have never had a problem with motorbikes.
 
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Martin

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burtthebike wrote:
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> "Fr Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> spindrift <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> and pose a greater risk to cyclists.

>>
>> Rubbish!

>
> As someone who regularly is forced to share bus lanes with motorcycles,
> this is not rubbish, this is absolutely true. The behaviour of some
> motorcylists is almost unbelievable, and my life has been put at risk a
> number of times by aggressive and irresponsible motorcyclists, in bus
> lanes.


Strange, I have never had trouble with motorbikes in bus lanes, despite
living only a few miles from you.

> One of the problems is that as soon as they are allowed in bus
> lanes, they automatically assume that they can use any cycle facility,
> and do so, including cycle lanes,


Most cycle lanes around here are unsuitable for cyclists, let alone
motorbikes.

> ASLs,


I have no problem with motorbikes[1] sharing an ASL with me. On the
whole the get away faster, I would much prefer them to pass slowly
whilst the traffic lights are red, than wait behind me for the lights to
turn green.

> bicycle parking.


The problem with Bristol is that there is simply not enough bicycle
parking. Where Sheffield stands are provided, they are often full. And
it is not a good idea to lock your bike to railings, as the council like
to chop up peoples locks.

> There's one
> particular quad bike rider in north Bristol who I have difficulty in
> believing that he is still alive, or that he hasn't killed someone.


I have seen one bloke on a quad a couple of times, but not seen anything
bad.


[1] I am talking about proper motorbikes, not those silly things with
lawnmower engines.
 
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Just zis Guy, you know?

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
<[email protected]> said in
<[email protected]m>:

>> more lies

>Give it up eh?


Something wrong with your attribution, since those words don't
appear anywhere in my post.

Guy
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Neil Williams

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Colin McKenzie wrote:

> - What are bus lanes for?
> Buses.
> - Why were cycles allowed in them?
> Because of the effect of forcing them into the other lane (petrified
> cyclists and delayed motorists). These effects do not happen with
> motorbikes.


Though having cyclists in bus lanes (where the bus lanes are not at
least 1.5 metres wider than a bus) causes trouble as well, IMO. Buses
flow far better in Dutch bus lanes where *only* buses are allowed, and
a separate, segregated cycle lane is provided.

If there isn't space for such a lane, having the bus lanes up the
outside[1] (rather than inside) lane of a dual carriageway works
better. Again this is something that's common outside the UK (and
works really well) but rare in the UK.

[1] i.e. the lane by the central reservation

Neil