Police learn lessons...

[Whingin' Pom]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:03:03 GMT, Graeme
<[email protected]> () wrote:

>[email protected] (Dave Kahn) wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> I would guess they would include things like arrest
>> techniques while cycling.
>>
>
>Method 1 -
>
>Step 1: Approach the suspect at high speed and start to
>freewheel. Step 2: Whilst balancing carefully, climb up
>until you are standing on the saddle. Step 3: On nearing
>the suspect, launch yourself in a high altitude rugby style
>tackle, whilst announcing "You're nicked sunshine!"
>
>Method 2 - Step 1: Run the suspect over from behind and
>whilst he is incapacitated announce "You're nicked
>sunshine!"

>Any others?

Approach at high speed, whip out the baton (oo-errr!) and
batter the suspect into unconsciousness whilst speeding past
them. Pepper spray usage whilst cycling is contra-indicated
due to the possible risk of spray-back.

--
Matt K Dunedin, NZ

 

[David Hansen]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:48:33 -0000 someone who may be "Colin
Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote this:-

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/3512772.stm

I liked "People feel they can approach officers easier on
bike, it is an obvious deterrent and it is easier to get
down places like alleyways where vehicle access is
difficult." Presumably they have been influenced by the
idiots at Sustrans about what a vehicle is.

Note that I think Sustrans have generally done a good job,
but their dismissal of bikes as not being vehicles or part
of traffic is idiotic.

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[David Hansen]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:07:19 -0000 someone who may be "Sky Fly"
<[email protected]> wrote this:-

>Well I don't know... is it really as effective as it is
>claimed - will it help the police do a better job? I guess
>it's true that it will make them more approachable than if
>they were riding in a car, but I'm still somewhat doubtful.

I saw one in York a while ago. He was getting to wherever he
was going far faster then he would have done in a car. That
is also the case in many built up areas.

>It would be interesting to have a policeman's
>perspective on this.

There is some sort of association in the USA and may be
here. It is not for the serial motorist sort of police
officer, but is great for those with broader minds.

--
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F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK
government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

 

[Richard Goodman]

"Gawnsoft" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:48:33 -0000, "Colin Blackburn"
> <[email protected]> wrote (more or less):
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/3512772.stm
>
>
> I've sent a complaint to their web-site, via their
> feedback link.:
> ======
> "Your article "Police chiefs defend bike courses" doesn't
> actually say who you feel the police have to defend
> themselves from.
>
> Perhaps you feel that everyone should just naturally
> attack the police any time they train themselves to use
> the equipment they are issued with?
>
> I look forward to your next article "BBC journalism chiefs
> defend word-processor training courses".
>

LOL, I like it. I too was irritated by the headline
followed by content that didn't explain it! Tell us if you
get a reply!

Rich

 

[Just Zis Guy]

"Colin Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...

> What puzzled me was the word 'defend' in the headline and
> the tone of the piece which seems to suggest someone has
> criticised the police for this but no mention is made of
> any criticism.

I done a feedback thingy to the Beeb asking if the
Police were xpected to "defend" Police driver training
in the same way.

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[Chris Malcolm]

"\(t'other\) Dave" <[email protected]> writes:

>"Michael MacClancy" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:48:33 -0000, Colin Blackburn
>> wrote:

>> > This article from the BBC, headlined, "Police chiefs
>> > defend bike
>courses",
>> > explains that officers from several forces are going on
>> > bike courses to learn cycling techniques for their job
>> > as cycling officers.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/351277-
>> > 2.stm
>> >
>> > What puzzled me was the word 'defend' in the headline
>> > and the tone of
>the
>> > piece which seems to suggest someone has criticised the
>> > police for this but no mention is made of any
>> > criticism.

>> I saw some officers riding Smith & Wesson Tactical
>> mountain bikes the
>other
>> week. They probably throw them at the criminals instead
>> of shooting them.

>...and I guess when the going gets 'real tough', they'll
>invest in the Hummer MTB ;-) (no, I'm not kidding. They're
>600quid, invisible to radar, robust enough for 'behind
>enemy lines', totally silent and don't produce heat, so
>can't be picked up by IR detectors - don't know about the
>trooper pedalling hell for leather carrying 250lbs of kit
>on his back though ;-)

Ah yes. That's called Military Intelligence. "This vehicle
produces no heat so is invisible to IR."

>...also, they're foldable in 30secs, so ideal for the multi-
>transport mode commute.)

Where did this fashion for the makers of SUVs to produce
expensive accessory bikes come from? What's the market
niche? Those folk who are embarrassed to buy a bike in case
someone thought they couldn't afford a car?
--
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[Dave Kahn]

Graeme <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Dave Kahn) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:

> Method 2 - Step 1: Run the suspect over from behind and
> whilst he is incapacitated announce "You're nicked
> sunshine!"

Well, yes, obviously that would be included except
:that you have
missed a word between "you're" and "nicked".

> Any others?

This kind of stuff. http://www.ipmba.org/instructors.htm#pc

--
Dave...

 

[Peter Clinch]

Chris Malcolm wrote:

> Where did this fashion for the makers of SUVs to produce
> expensive accessory bikes come from? What's the market
> niche? Those folk who are embarrassed to buy a bike in
> case someone thought they couldn't afford a car?

It's hardly new. Land Rover had a version of the Moulton APB
as their Official Bike for a while, but I imagine it was a
bit too weird for many Disco owners to feel they were
presenting the Right Image (asserting their rugged
individuality by looking a bit like a lot of other people).

Pete.
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[Michael Macclan]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:29:47 +0000 (UTC), Chris Malcolm wrote:

> Where did this fashion for the makers of SUVs to produce
> expensive accessory bikes come from?

It came from The Marketing Department, the same people who
extended the 'Fairy' brand from washing up liquid to washing
powder and stretched the 'Yamaha' brand from motorbikes into
hifi, pianos and sports gear.

> What's the market niche?

Those people who associate the 'Hummer' brand with strength
and quality and those people who would like to own the
Hummer vehicle but haven't got the garage space or can't
afford the gas?

--
Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He has never been known
to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary." -
William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)
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[Ian G Batten]

In article <[email protected]>,
Michael MacClancy <[email protected]> wrote:
> It came from The Marketing Department, the same people who
> extended the

The phrase you're looking for is ``brandwidth''.

> 'Fairy' brand from washing up liquid to washing powder and
> stretched the

True.

> 'Yamaha' brand from motorbikes into hifi, pianos and
> sports gear.

Untrue. It was more about moving from pianos to motorbikes:
Yamaha started as an organ and piano making. Bearing in mind
Yamaha's history I think it's unlikely to have been a
marketing decision.

ian

 

[Colin Blackburn]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:49:15 +0000, Michael MacClancy
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:29:47 +0000 (UTC), Chris
> Malcolm wrote:
>
>> Where did this fashion for the makers of SUVs to produce
>> expensive accessory bikes come from?
>
> It came from The Marketing Department, the same people who
> extended the 'Fairy' brand from washing up liquid to
> washing powder

Probably...

> and stretched the 'Yamaha' brand from motorbikes into
> hifi, pianos and sports gear.

...but surely not. Aren't Yamaha like a lot of large
Japanese corporations in have a very wide range of
products. The only difference with other Japanese megacorps
would seem to be that Yamaha have used the brand name on
many of their products rather than using subsidiary names.
From knowing musicians Yamaha pianos have certainly been
around a long time.

Colin
--

 

[Dave Kahn]

Keith Willoughby <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> The article in the Daily Mail [1] had quotes criticising
> it on grounds of cost.

If an untrained policeman got himself killed on his MTB the
Mail would be puffing and blowing in mock outrage at
officers' lives being put at risk by penny-pinching cuts.
Of course the police need to be trained if they are to use
MTBs effectively. Buying a lot of equipment, assigning
untrained personnel to use it, and having only a vague
notion of what to do with it really is throwing money at a
problem. Isn't the Mail supposed to be against the reckless
use of public money?

--
Dave...

 

[Michael Macclan]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:56:21 +0000 (UTC), Ian G Batten wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Michael MacClancy <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> 'Yamaha' brand from motorbikes into hifi, pianos and
>> sports gear.
>
> Untrue. It was more about moving from pianos to
> motorbikes: Yamaha started as an organ and piano making.
> Bearing in mind Yamaha's history I think it's unlikely to
> have been a marketing decision.
>
> ian

You're right. Organ production started in 1887 and
motorbikes in 1954.

In my defence I have to say that it was a marketing text I
was reading (on www.tutor2u.net). Only goes to demonstrate
that a lot of marketing is b*llsh*t. ;-)

I'll drop www.tutor2u.net a line, otherwise students might
get marked down in their GCSEs and A-levels.
--
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thrown him away and kept the stork." - Mae West
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[Peter Clinch]

Dave Kahn wrote:

> Isn't the Mail supposed to be against the reckless use of
> public money?

If they really thought that then they wouldn't charge the
public money for their wastepaper...

Pete.
--
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33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

 

[Graeme]

Michael MacClancy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> stretched the 'Yamaha' brand from motorbikes into hifi,
> pianos and sports gear.
>

Wrong way round -
http://www.global.yamaha.com/about/history.html

Graeme

 

[Anonymous]

Michael MacClancy posted ...

> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:29:47 +0000 (UTC), Chris
> Malcolm wrote:
>
>> Where did this fashion for the makers of SUVs to produce
>> expensive accessory bikes come from?
>
> It came from The Marketing Department, the same people who
> extended the 'Fairy' brand from washing up liquid to
> washing powder and stretched the 'Yamaha' brand from
> motorbikes into hifi, pianos and sports gear.

Wrong way round .. Have you seen the Yamaha logo ? ... Three
tuning forks ...

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks ..

 

[Ben]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:29:47 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Chris
Malcolm) wrote:

>Where did this fashion for the makers of SUVs to produce
>expensive accessory bikes come from? What's the market
>niche? Those folk who are embarrassed to buy a bike in case
>someone thought they couldn't afford a car?

Image. People buy cars like that because they like to
believe that they're the 'outdoors' type.

My Dad always used to joke the Range Rover should do stick
on mud and a fake Labrador as optional extras.

That said, if I win the lottery tomorrow, I'll be straight
out to buy a Mitsubishi L200 Animal pickup

 

[Just Zis Guy]

"Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Military Intelligence

Ahooga! Ahooga! Oxymoron alert!

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[Just Zis Guy]

"Ian G Batten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> > 'Yamaha' brand from motorbikes into hifi, pianos and
> > sports gear.

> Untrue. It was more about moving from pianos to
> motorbikes: Yamaha started as an organ and piano making.
> Bearing in mind Yamaha's history I think it's unlikely to
> have been a marketing decision.

Hence the Yamaha logo: three tuning forks.

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[Dave Larrington]

Dave Kahn wrote:

> Well, yes, obviously that would be included except
> :that you have
> missed a word between "you're" and "nicked".

We're The Sweeney and we haven't had any Power Bars, so
unless you want a kicking you'd better tell us where those
photographs are . Hmmmm.

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