'Polish Atkins diet'



You are living proof that truth is unwieldy for the untruthful.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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TC wrote:
>
> Written laughter is a clear expression of ones beliefs.
>
> Written religious slogans are a cover-up to a lack of substance.
>
> You are simple.
>
> TC
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Written laughter on Usenet is silent despair.
> >
> > Truth is simple.
> >
> > At His service,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
 
You are living proof that the medical-educational and the
board-certification systems in the US are deeply, deeply, flawed.

TC

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> You are living proof that truth is unwieldy for the untruthful.
>
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
>
> TC wrote:
> >
> > Written laughter is a clear expression of ones beliefs.
> >
> > Written religious slogans are a cover-up to a lack of substance.
> >
> > You are simple.
> >
> > TC
> >
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Written laughter on Usenet is silent despair.
> > >
> > > Truth is simple.
> > >
> > > At His service,
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
 
If that were true, your defeat would be much more and not less
humiliating for you.

Instead, you should take solace in the fact that it is my Lord's power
and righteousness that has squashed you.

May the Holy Spirit heal you, dear neighbor whom I love in the Messiah's
holy name.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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TC wrote:
>
> You are living proof that the medical-educational and the
> board-certification systems in the US are deeply, deeply, flawed.
>
> TC
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > You are living proof that truth is unwieldy for the untruthful.
> >
> >
> > At His service,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> >
> > **
> > Suggested Reading:
> > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
> > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> >
> >
> > TC wrote:
> > >
> > > Written laughter is a clear expression of ones beliefs.
> > >
> > > Written religious slogans are a cover-up to a lack of substance.
> > >
> > > You are simple.
> > >
> > > TC
> > >
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Written laughter on Usenet is silent despair.
> > > >
> > > > Truth is simple.
> > > >
> > > > At His service,
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
 
Written religious slogans are a cover-up to a lack of substance.

TC

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> If that were true, your defeat would be much more and not less
> humiliating for you.
>
> Instead, you should take solace in the fact that it is my Lord's

power
> and righteousness that has squashed you.
>
> May the Holy Spirit heal you, dear neighbor whom I love in the

Messiah's
> holy name.
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
> TC wrote:
> >
> > You are living proof that the medical-educational and the
> > board-certification systems in the US are deeply, deeply, flawed.
> >
> > TC
> >
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > You are living proof that truth is unwieldy for the untruthful.
> > >
> > >
> > > At His service,
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> > >
> > > **
> > > Suggested Reading:
> > > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> > > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
> > > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> > > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> > > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> > > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> > > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> > >
> > >
> > > TC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Written laughter is a clear expression of ones beliefs.
> > > >
> > > > Written religious slogans are a cover-up to a lack of

substance.
> > > >
> > > > You are simple.
> > > >
> > > > TC
> > > >
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Written laughter on Usenet is silent despair.
> > > > >
> > > > > Truth is simple.
> > > > >
> > > > > At His service,
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > >
 
When I wrote "If that were true, your defeat would be much more and not
less humiliating for you." I did not write a religious slogan.

You remind me of a juvenile delinquent that brings a pocket knife to rob
a pawn shop.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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TC wrote:
>
> Written religious slogans are a cover-up to a lack of substance.
>
> TC
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > If that were true, your defeat would be much more and not less
> > humiliating for you.
> >
> > Instead, you should take solace in the fact that it is my Lord's

> power
> > and righteousness that has squashed you.
> >
> > May the Holy Spirit heal you, dear neighbor whom I love in the

> Messiah's
> > holy name.
> >
> > At His service,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> >
> > **
> > Suggested Reading:
> > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
> > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> >
> > TC wrote:
> > >
> > > You are living proof that the medical-educational and the
> > > board-certification systems in the US are deeply, deeply, flawed.
> > >
> > > TC
> > >
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > You are living proof that truth is unwieldy for the untruthful.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At His service,
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > > > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > > Suggested Reading:
> > > > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> > > > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
> > > > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> > > > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> > > > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> > > > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> > > > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TC wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Written laughter is a clear expression of ones beliefs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Written religious slogans are a cover-up to a lack of

> substance.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are simple.
> > > > >
> > > > > TC
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Written laughter on Usenet is silent despair.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Truth is simple.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At His service,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > >
 
> I think you are adding in "high-calories." I haven't seen that
> mentioned, though people on the "Polish/Optimal" diet may be
> consuming more calories. I had assumed they were consuming fewer
> if they were losing weight.


Quote:

DAILY TOTAL: 254 grams of fat and 2,923 calories

Does not seem very low-calorie to me :)

Of course, question is how much of that food is really eaten and how
much of rest is absorbed, but still, people DO lose weight on diet like
this - something that breaks a lot of low-fat dogmas.

This might not be the best diet for humankind, but the sole fact that
weight loss happens on highfat unrestricted diet is more than interesting.

Mirek
 
Mirek Fidler wrote:
>
> > I think you are adding in "high-calories." I haven't seen that
> > mentioned, though people on the "Polish/Optimal" diet may be
> > consuming more calories. I had assumed they were consuming fewer
> > if they were losing weight.

>
> Quote:
>
> DAILY TOTAL: 254 grams of fat and 2,923 calories
>
> Does not seem very low-calorie to me :)
>
> Of course, question is how much of that food is really eaten and how
> much of rest is absorbed, but still, people DO lose weight on diet like
> this - something that breaks a lot of low-fat dogmas.
>
> This might not be the best diet for humankind, but the sole fact that
> weight loss happens on highfat unrestricted diet is more than interesting.


Unintentional weight loss is a sign that all is not well.

Truth is simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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> I don't recall anyone asking for a board certified quack's point of
> view, but this is a free country I guess. Just be aware that your 2 PD
> diet is the silliest diet proposed in this NG and most people here find


Actually, in many cases it turns to be low-carb diet without veggies and
fruits.

You know, when people are restricted to 2PD, they naturally learn how to
eat to not be hungry.... Just with veggies and fruits it is far simplier
and perhaps healthier (no wander that Andrew insist that micronutrient
deficiencies are myths :)

Mirek
 
>>This might not be the best diet for humankind, but the sole fact that
>>weight loss happens on highfat unrestricted diet is more than interesting.

>
>
> Unintentional weight loss is a sign that all is not well.


Now this is what? Do you mean that any people that are losing weight on
any other plan than your 2PD are losing weight "unintentionaly"?

Mirek
 
Mirek Fidler wrote:
>
> >>This might not be the best diet for humankind, but the sole fact that
> >>weight loss happens on highfat unrestricted diet is more than interesting.

> >
> >
> > Unintentional weight loss is a sign that all is not well.

>
> Now this is what? Do you mean that any people that are losing weight on
> any other plan than your 2PD are losing weight "unintentionaly"?



To put it more another way, weight loss that occurs without a healthy
increase in appetite suggests an underlying problem.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
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(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
 
Mirek Fidler wrote:
>
> > I don't recall anyone asking for a board certified quack's point of
> > view, but this is a free country I guess. Just be aware that your 2 PD
> > diet is the silliest diet proposed in this NG and most people here find

>
> Actually, in many cases it turns to be low-carb diet without veggies and
> fruits.


Not in my experience (more than 625,550 folks for more than 5 years).

> You know, when people are restricted to 2PD, they naturally learn how to
> eat to not be hungry....


No. They learn to befriend the hunger that grows as they gradually
decrease their intake to under 2 pounds (32 ounces).

> Just with veggies and fruits it is far simplier
> and perhaps healthier (no wander that Andrew insist that micronutrient
> deficiencies are myths :)


The more varied the foods being consumed the less likely that there will
be any micronutrient deficiency. Hunger is a healthy person's appetite.

Truth is simple.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
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>>Now this is what? Do you mean that any people that are losing weight on
>>any other plan than your 2PD are losing weight "unintentionaly"?

>
>
>
> To put it more another way, weight loss that occurs without a healthy
> increase in appetite suggests an underlying problem.


I am missing your famous "IME"...

Mirek
 
Mirek Fidler wrote:
>
> >>Now this is what? Do you mean that any people that are losing weight on
> >>any other plan than your 2PD are losing weight "unintentionaly"?

> >
> >
> >
> > To put it more another way, weight loss that occurs without a healthy
> > increase in appetite suggests an underlying problem.

>
> I am missing your famous "IME"...


Then you are missing the truth.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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> No. They learn to befriend the hunger that grows as they gradually
> decrease their intake to under 2 pounds (32 ounces).


Well, you struggle hard to prevent 2PD people to reveal their menus, but
last time such real menu was presented, it was rather low in carbs. So
much low that immediate concern of ketosis was raised.

Mirek
 
Mirek Fidler wrote:
>
> > No. They learn to befriend the hunger that grows as they gradually
> > decrease their intake to under 2 pounds (32 ounces).

>
> Well, you struggle hard to prevent 2PD people to reveal their menus, but
> last time such real menu was presented, it was rather low in carbs. So
> much low that immediate concern of ketosis was raised.


Those who are using only the 2PD-OMER Approach have no menus to reveal.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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TC wrote:
> zee wrote:
> > People who are not eating high fat diets do not necessarily eat

white
> > flour, boxed, nukable meals. It is complex carbs from many

vegetables
> > fruits and grains which are the healthy diet, in my opinion. It is

> not
> > the meat, or the high fat consumption, which I think takes us

> quickly
> > into a u shaped curve.
> >

>
> Fats and proteins do not contribute to obesity as does refined carbs.


I am not advocating for refined carbs here. But I do not believe this
statement of yours. Yes, I have read the WAP foundation site, and Enig,
who does have good credentials and I do believe her opinions should be
given some weight, but is she right? I do not know. All the people she
refutes must be given weight too. They are equally well educated.
Fallon by the way, is a communications consultant not a nutritionit. I
also got really turned off by their racist, elitist and Edwardian idea
of "natives", native lifestyles and native food customs.



>
> > We were not meant to eat high fat and high meat protein. Look at

your
> > teeth Terry. Look at your shriveled and unnecessary appendix, at

your
> > gall bladder and digestive system designed to process bulk and

fibre.
> >

>
> Actually, I have to completely disagree with you here. And I've

looked
> at our teeth and GI systems. We are primarily carnivorous omnivores.
> The GI tract is short like other carnivores in order to quickly pass
> thru meats. Out GI tract did not evolve to handle large amounts of

bulk
> and fibre. We have no gizzard and only one relatively small stomach
> unlike birds who eat grains and cows with four stomachs.


We are omnivores I agree. By carbs I mean primarily vegetables and
fruit. But I think it is wrong to dismiss grain. Grain *was* a part of
ancient people's food culture, including the Cree and Sioux of the
Canadian prairie. And those pyroghy eaten by your friends are not the
culprit: it is the refined flour they make them with, which would not
have been the case among the early immigrants or the those in old
Ukraine. It is also all the butter and meat and meat fat, sour cream,
bacon and pork rind the pryoghy are served with. And as these people
became more affluent, they began to increase portion, and ate rich
foods once reserved for special occasions almost daily. In old Ukraine,
the peasants did not always have meat, and when they did, it was the
men and the pregnant women that got it, in small portions. That was
during slaughter season, and animals were not usually bred more than
once every couple years. The pyroghy was made with unprocessed flour,
potato inside, some rendered fat and maybe some sour cream. This makes
complete protein.

Shame on you TC spelling it perogie, coming as you do from the first
Canadian province to which Ukrainians immigrated in 1886.



Not necessarily only meat proteins, but also copious amounts of meat
> fats from healthy animals.
>
> > And as I said at the top of the thread: my city has a sizable

Polish
> > population. Really...!


>
> So has my area of the world. But around here they eat a lot of

perogies
> (flour and potatoes), cabbage rolls (white rice), sweets and sodas
> (sugars) and they've adopted pasta noodles (flour again, but in

larger
> amounts). A lot of obesity and disease in these communities too. My
> ex-girlfriend and her family are a perfect example of what I speak

of.
> I saw how they eat as a family when I went out with her, years ago,

and
> the last time I saw them, at a funeral of all places, they were all
> very obese and/or very ill. It was a really sad event for me, even
> sadder yet than the funeral, to see them in such poor condition.
>
> TC


Cabbage rolls were made with kasha in the old country, and here for the
first generation. And Manitoba is the still the prime buckwheat growing
region of NA. Buckwheat honey....mmmmm!




Zee
 
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Chinnis wrote:
>>
>> I'm not anti-lowcarbing. It just seemed to me that the amounts of
>> weight loss described over the periods described are more
>> consistent with a drop in caloric intake than anything else,
>> including effects of ketosis. I've tracked my diet in detail for a
>> long time now. I eat fewer calories when I take in fewer carbs.
>> When I eat a lot of carbs, especially processed carbs, I am
>> hungrier and I eat more.

>
> Your observation underscores the need for the 2PD-OMER Approach.


Wrong. His observation underscores the need for a good diet. Unfortunately,
one cannot adequately evaluate the 2PD-OmEr approach, because it has not yet
been published in the peer-reveiwed diet.

> Those who use the 2PD-OMER Approach are empowered to avoid eating more
> and befriend hunger secure in the knowledge that they are eating the
> "right" amount.


I doubt the "right" amount is 2 pounds for everyone.

Jeff

>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
 
It seems to me I heard somewhere that William Wagner wrote in article
<[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "TC" <[email protected]> wrote:


>> This brings up some good points for discussion.


Indeed. See below.

>> 3) If high-fat/high-calories do not always cause obesity, then what are
>> the medical authorities basing their low-fat/high-carb nutritional
>> policies on?


> A complex issue. Here is a small tidbit concerning the Nixon white
>house. Seems it was deemed a good idea to grow corn. Corn syrup stored
>well and tasted sweet and now it is just about everywhere. Thank you
>Earl Butz secretary of agriculture for this sweet disaster aka cheap
>calories. Farmers were able to use marginal lands, distillers were able
>to make cheap whiskey and now type 2 and obesity are common expressions.


So let's discuss them. Why do you blame Nixon and Butz? A little
history may help remove the scales from your eyes:

[Begin]
The federal government, which had done little in the 1920s to help
farmers, initiated remedial programs during the administration of
President Franklin D. Roosevelt. One approach was to reduce the supply
of basic farm commodities. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933
provided payments to farmers in return for agreements to curtail their
acreage or their production of wheat, cotton, rice, tobacco, corn hogs,
and dairy products. The act was declared unconstitutional in 1936, but
in 1938, after several changes in the membership of the U.S. Supreme
Court, a second Agricultural Adjustment Act was passed under which
production quotas were set as before. Payments were financed from taxes
imposed on processors and were based on the parity concept.
[End]
http://www.socialstudieshelp.com/Eco_agriculture.htm

IOW, subsidies were initially aimed at helping struggling farmers and
commodities markets during the dust bowl years and the concurrent
depression. The dirty little secret isn't how or why subsidies were
begun but why Congress continues to authorize subsidies when the
recipients are Archer-Daniels-Midland and Sun Giant and Bank of America
and other conglomerate agribusinesses instead of the original individual
farm owner-operators.
--
Don
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed
us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their
use. --Galileo Galilei
 
Jeff wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Jim Chinnis wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not anti-lowcarbing. It just seemed to me that the amounts of
> >> weight loss described over the periods described are more
> >> consistent with a drop in caloric intake than anything else,
> >> including effects of ketosis. I've tracked my diet in detail for a
> >> long time now. I eat fewer calories when I take in fewer carbs.
> >> When I eat a lot of carbs, especially processed carbs, I am
> >> hungrier and I eat more.

> >
> > Your observation underscores the need for the 2PD-OMER Approach.

>
> Wrong.


Actually, right.

> His observation underscores the need for a good diet.


It seems you believe a "good" diet should suppress his healthy appetite
(aka hunger). If so, you are again in error.

> Unfortunately,
> one cannot adequately evaluate the 2PD-OmEr approach, because it has not yet
> been published in the peer-reveiwed diet.


The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet, for the nth time.

> > Those who use the 2PD-OMER Approach are empowered to avoid eating more
> > and befriend hunger secure in the knowledge that they are eating the
> > "right" amount.

>
> I doubt the "right" amount is 2 pounds for everyone.


So far the experiences of more than 625,550 people over more than 5
years would suggest that your doubts are unfounded.


At His service,

Andrew

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In article <[email protected]>,
Don Kirkman <[email protected]> wrote:

> It seems to me I heard somewhere that William Wagner wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> >> This brings up some good points for discussion.

>
> Indeed. See below.
>
> >> 3) If high-fat/high-calories do not always cause obesity, then what are
> >> the medical authorities basing their low-fat/high-carb nutritional
> >> policies on?

>
> > A complex issue. Here is a small tidbit concerning the Nixon white
> >house. Seems it was deemed a good idea to grow corn. Corn syrup stored
> >well and tasted sweet and now it is just about everywhere. Thank you
> >Earl Butz secretary of agriculture for this sweet disaster aka cheap
> >calories. Farmers were able to use marginal lands, distillers were able
> >to make cheap whiskey and now type 2 and obesity are common expressions.

>
> So let's discuss them. Why do you blame Nixon and Butz? A little
> history may help remove the scales from your eyes:
>
> [Begin]
> The federal government, which had done little in the 1920s to help
> farmers, initiated remedial programs during the administration of
> President Franklin D. Roosevelt. One approach was to reduce the supply
> of basic farm commodities. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933
> provided payments to farmers in return for agreements to curtail their
> acreage or their production of wheat, cotton, rice, tobacco, corn hogs,
> and dairy products. The act was declared unconstitutional in 1936, but
> in 1938, after several changes in the membership of the U.S. Supreme
> Court, a second Agricultural Adjustment Act was passed under which
> production quotas were set as before. Payments were financed from taxes
> imposed on processors and were based on the parity concept.
> [End]
> http://www.socialstudieshelp.com/Eco_agriculture.htm
>
> IOW, subsidies were initially aimed at helping struggling farmers and
> commodities markets during the dust bowl years and the concurrent
> depression. The dirty little secret isn't how or why subsidies were
> begun but why Congress continues to authorize subsidies when the
> recipients are Archer-Daniels-Midland and Sun Giant and Bank of America
> and other conglomerate agribusinesses instead of the original individual
> farm owner-operators.

...............................
What if these folks are half right? or 25% right?

Scary.


Bill

http://blogdayafternoon.com/articles/03/06/22/9208021/

Posted by Jeff (Sunday June 22 2003 @ 08:46PM EDT)

Recent data indicates that sixty-one percent of Americans carry an
unhealthy amount of weight, a figure which includes obese people who
account for twenty-seven percent of the total population. Overweight
people are characterized by a body mass index of 25 to 29 while obese
people register 30 or higher.

Over a period of thirty years the United States has gone from one of
the healthiest nations on earth to one of its fattest. The journalist
Greg Cristler investigated this phenomena in his very enjoyable book,
"Fat Land: How Americans Became The Fattest People On Earth." The author
leaves no stone unturned in his quest for answers. He charts the rise in
fry sizes from paper bags to super-sized, the role of loose, baggy
clothing and hunger satiation, and the effect suppressed peer-pressure
as a result of political correctness. "Fatty, fatty, two by four" can no
longer be applied to keep the herd fit and trim.

Much of what Cristler uncovered was already well documented. Who didn't
know that fast food portions have increased dramatically over the last
thirty years? Who didn't realize that video games contributed to
adolescent inactivity? But if he did uncover a smoking gun it was this:
corn. That's right, sweet and simple North American maize turned us into
a nation of cows.

Richard M. Nixon said he was "not a crook." But before he sent
operatives to the Watergate Hotel, he faced a crises which threatened to
undo his presidency. A food shortage gripped the nation in 1972 and
agriculture secretary Earl "Rusty" Butz responded by freeing farmers
from the restrictions of government regulation. They could grow what
they wanted to grow and sell when they wanted to sell. Butz recommended
corn and soybean. Plant it from "fencerow to fencerow," the fat man
advised. Farmers responded and production soared.

As American farmers grew corn out their ears, a Japanese company
developed a syrup six times sweeter than cane sugar. This new additive
was derived from corn, high-fructose corn sweetener. It was a food
industry wind-fall. Its potency meant that sugary food could be produced
at considerbly lower cost. Its long shelf-life made it an ideal
preservative. Fructose found its way into breads, rolls, etc., products
which did not normally contain sugar.

Fructose was a gift for manufacturers but a bane for consumers. Unlike
sucrose or dextrose which broke down prior to reaching the liver,
fructose arrived at that organ intact. This aspect of fructose became
known as "metabolic shunting." It triggered fat storage.

Today fructose in widely available. It is a listed ingrediant in almost
all pre-packaged or ready-to-eat food items. By the 1980s fructose was a
major ingrediant in all commercial softdrinks, second only to carbonated
water. One of the single most important predictors of a child's future
girth is his current fructose intake. Soda consumption in children was
studied for a period of nineteen months. One extra softdrink a day gave
a child a sixty percent greater chance of becoming obese. Each daily
soda added .18 points to a child's BMI.

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