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> I see your point......but every senior care system is under attack. Look at Medicare......it's
> ignoring the seniors, people can't afford the necessary drugs they need in the US too!
Demand will ALWAYS outstrip the supply because most of the demand is manufactured by advertising
instead of medical requirements. I'd be willing to bet that less than 20% of the medicine I've been
given over my lifetime was necessary and probably a lot of it was counterproductive.
Medicare was supposed to be a LAST DITCH medical system. Although it has never actually been that. I
think that P.J. O'Rourke's comments are substantially accurate. When medical services are "free"
people are going to use them for things that they wouldn't if they had to pay for it.
I'm not an admirer of the American system by any stretch of the imagination. I've spent many years
in medical instrument research and development and I've seen some pretty nasty stuff on the part of
doctors and other commercial enterprises.
What I don't like is that the Canadian system only works because of the specific conditions that the
Canadians have found themselves and those conditions are about to change. The USA never met those
specific conditions and national health care would bankrupt this nation even faster than Social
Security is going to.
Of course this didn't need to happen. An economically feasible Social Security system could have
been developed that would have met the original vision. But because it was necessary to adopt a
liberal policy to begin with due to the startup costs of Social Security the liberal views have held
sway ever since. Social Security has been expanded to cover every sob story and hard luck case
possible. My late drug addicted brother was on permanent disability of some sort that came from
Social Security in some manner. He simply didn't want to work and he was paid not to work. He lived
like a dog as you might well expect, but the government allowed it until he died from effects of his
addictions.
You and I are the one's that will suffer because of the liberal policies. The uninterrupted flow of
illegal aliens (California has been giving illegals welfare for decades), sad cases and plain old
criminals have gutted the system that we'll have to rely on. And why will we have to rely on it?
Because the taxes we have to pay to support this massive giveaway prevent us from making the
investments that would have freed us from the government dole.
That means that the younger generation - Palachick and Albright and Cipale and the lot, will be
paying for our welfare and it will grow much faster than their incomes. Are they going to be willing
to pay increased taxes to pay for the good feelings of yesterday's and today's liberals? I doubt it.
And what about their kids? Are they going to be willing to pay for the tail end of the baby boomers
and their own parents? And remember that as the baby boomers get older and retire many businesses
and consequently jobs will disappear. Fewer consumers mean lower demand. That is what is behind the
endless open door policy. The problem with that is the culture of the USA is taking an immense
beating from "diverse" cultures that don't share the same values as you and I. And these are the
people on whom you and I are going to have to rely to support us in our old age.
> You said that Canadians are coming across the boarder for drugs they can't get in Canada.....but
> then US citizens are running to get CHEAPER drugs then they can buy in the US....it's major
> problem for Canadians as it is driving up the price there too!
Canada has an approved generic drug list. If you need one of those drugs it is a great deal cheaper
in Canada than in the USA. However, it takes a very long time to get a drug on that list if it ever
gets there. Therefore Canada tends to have drugs that are less effective and cheaper rather than
more effective and more expensive. Canadians come south to the USA to get these drugs so there is
all of this two way traffic going to and fro across the border and it all has to do with the
limitations of socialized medicine.
> Then there is Mexico.....where everyone is going! So it's major problem everywhere!
Mexico has an almost uncontrolled drug industry. Therefore there are no extraneous costs associated
with releasing drugs there and profits are easier to make with lower drug costs. Moreover, since the
income levels in Mexico are so low, without cheap drugs there would be no sales at all.
And in the unioncorporated areas in Mexico such as Baja, the government subsidizes cheap housing and
medical supplies and treatment in order to get Mexicans to live out there in the middle of nowhere.
So if you know where to go you get drugs for a scant fraction of what they would cost in the USA.
However, like in Canada, they aren't likely to have the newest and most efficacious drugs because of
the expense prevents a market from forming.
> What I fail to see is that US entire system that's catering to Canadians.............? Or did I
> read you wrong?
I didn't say that the ENTIRE system was catering to the Canadians. I said a segment. And all of the
northern cities have hospitals that connect with Canadian doctors. These doctors have licenses to
practice in the US and they also get referal fees for refering Canadian citizens to American
hospitals.
The Canadian heath care system works extremely well for a young healthy population in which "health
care" is really an emergency treatment room for broken arms and legs and the like. Just like the
military service, as the population grows older and less healthy and puts more demands on the health
care system the financial demands on the system simply blow completely out of proportion to what the
funding will allow.
Military lifers were promised lifetime health care but as soon as the going got rough the military
saw the writing on the walls and simply withdrew most of it. Canada will go through the same thing
sooner or later and it looks like sooner now.