Poll: Hating America



Originally posted by Fixey
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
you invade a nation after trumping up reasons, hold there economy to ransom by giving all contracts to companies in the coalition of the stupid then use the term "Blanket of Freedom" that is hilarious. One thing the USA is definatly number 1 at is Spin. Thats not a shot btw Pavlov, Spin is a skill and you guys invented it and perfected it. No matter what happens or what we do we can change a few words and come out looking pretty....but it doesnt actualy change facts...if you invade a country, no matter how bad its leader, without mandate or autority then u commit an act of terrorism!

Larry, take thy head out of the sand...It is apparent that your country needs to invest in education.

No shot taken...We have commited no act of terrorism here. We have help these people escape the bondage that Sadaam had welded for years. What have YOU done to help those people?

By the way, how did the sex change operation go?
 
Originally posted by zapper

No shot taken...We have commited no act of terrorism here. We have help these people escape the bondage that Sadaam had welded for years.


The bondage that was edified and supported in military and finanical support from the Reagan administration during the 1980's, when sales re Rumsfeld was selling arms to his best freind Saddam in 1983.
 
Originally posted by limerickman
Originally posted by zapper

No shot taken...We have commited no act of terrorism here. We have help these people escape the bondage that Sadaam had welded for years.


The bondage that was edified and supported in military and finanical support from the Reagan administration during the 1980's, when sales re Rumsfeld was selling arms to his best freind Saddam in 1983.

Moe, before I respond...can you do two things for me...#1 Close our your quote tag for ONCE...Man, do you want me to link up to your browser and format your replies for you geeze...I'm glad you aren't handling my finances...

#2. speaking of finances..could you post something anything that doesn't make reference to finances or a quote from the "financial times".?????
 
Originally posted by zapper
Moe, before I respond...can you do two things for me...#1 Close our your quote tag for ONCE...Man, do you want me to link up to your browser and format your replies for you geeze...I'm glad you aren't handling my finances...

#2. speaking of finances..could you post something anything that doesn't make reference to finances or a quote from the "financial times".?????


Question 1 : No

Question 2 : I could quote from elsewhere but you probably wouldn't bother to read what I posted. Or you'd claim that it was
from a "liberal, tabloid rag" that was "out of date or out of context..."
 
Originally posted by limerickman
Question 1 : No

Question 2 : I could quote from elsewhere but you probably wouldn't bother to read what I posted. Or you'd claim that it was
from a "liberal, tabloid rag" that was "out of date or out of context..."

Hey moe good job you finally did it...Congrats really...I mean that in the most sincere way...

In response to question 2... If you would quote something that was genuinely from a souce that wasn't so "one sided" perhaps I would take it seriously..By the same token, I'm sure if I quoted from Rush's website or Sean Hannity, you wouldn't take me seriously...you dig?

Lastly.. since I'm giving out advice here...Lighten up a little...Everything you post within the soap box is Bush is a blankety blank blank and the American military is Blankety blank blank and you don't even remember where I work waa waaa waaa, bla bla bla...you keep score and think this place is all about you...the same old stuff...You know there is good in all of us..but for some reason, you just seem to see the bad..Its a shame you have to live you life like that...what sad man you must really be... I'll remember to send some of my spare change your way.....
 
Originally posted by zapper
Hey moe good job you finally did it...Congrats really...I mean that in the most sincere way...

In response to question 2... If you would quote something that was genuinely from a souce that wasn't so "one sided" perhaps I would take it seriously..By the same token, I'm sure if I quoted from Rush's website or Sean Hannity, you wouldn't take me seriously...you dig?

Lastly.. since I'm giving out advice here...Lighten up a little...Everything you post within the soap box is Bush is a blankety blank blank and the American military is Blankety blank blank and you don't even remember where I work waa waaa waaa, bla bla bla...you keep score and think this place is all about you...the same old stuff...You know there is good in all of us..but for some reason, you just seem to see the bad..Its a shame you have to live you life like that...what sad man you must really be... I'll remember to send some of my spare change your way.....

OK - maybe just maybe there might be some sort of consensus.

Just read this before replying to me.
I log on each day knowing, knowing that I will have a mail advising me that Zapper has replied to a topic and I know before
I open the link that there will be statement from you saying
"Moe etc etc".
I am sure it is the same with you - you'll have a message,
Limerickman replied etc and it will be full of an opinion that you neither care about or respect or it will be the "Financial Times" !

On the presumption that each of us have other things that we could be doing instead of serving and returning all day - why not
just draw a line under all of this.

What I will say for you is that you stick to your guns (excuse the pun) and while I disagree with your view, it is important that
there is freedom to express that view.
Whether it is the British, Irish, or American who created that liberty is immaterial.
We're all supposed to be on the same side here.

I am prepared to bury the hatchet on these issues - you know where you stand, I know where you stand.
 
Originally posted by limerickman
OK - maybe just maybe there might be some sort of consensus.

I think you and I do have some common ground. We believe what we believe and we stand by it. Although, like I said, I do have “Irish” blood in me and I’ve been accused of being “stubborn” on more than one occasion. (excuse the pun)

I’ve tried to keep some levity in our exchanges although, not all may “understand” my humor… I know that our main differences arise when our discussions pertain to the Iraq war (just or unjust), President G.W. Bush and our Military. However, I think we may have agreed on 1 issue over the course of our exchanges...

I would like to just say, when I have mentioned that I am in the military, the intent was not to boast but to try to give my perspective from someone who works with not only our military but other countries as well. I’ve lost some good friends who were Smart, Brave and Good Sailors/Marines. So, obviously I don’t take criticism of our military lightly but realize with any Large organization not all who are part of it are of the highest caliber but we have ways to eventually get rid of most of the undesirables.


Just read this before replying to me.
I log on each day knowing, knowing that I will have a mail advising me that Zapper has replied to a topic and I know before
I open the link that there will be statement from you saying
"Moe etc etc".
I am sure it is the same with you - you'll have a message,
Limerickman replied etc and it will be full of an opinion that you neither care about or respect or it will be the "Financial Times" !
I agree with this…To be honest, I kind of looked forward to the email indicating you had posted another one of your quotes from the financial times…You are a persistent fellow..:D

What I will say for you is that you stick to your guns (excuse the pun) and while I disagree with your view, it is important that
there is freedom to express that view.
Whether it is the British, Irish, or American who created that liberty is immaterial. We're all supposed to be on the same side here.
I commend you for taking the high ground here and agree that if anything, we should enjoy the freedom to say what we want and that is indeed a victory in any language.

I am prepared to bury the hatchet on these issues - you know where you stand, I know where you stand.

I agree to “bury the hatchet” on these issues as our responses both for and against have become predictable.
 
Why hate America ? What is there to like ? all you seem to want to do is stuff your culture , religion and world view down our throats , by force or threat . Go home and grow up .
And please take your fanatical brand of christianity with you , your no better than those nuts of Bin ladin or Sharon .
In a recent poll in Europe the US and Isreal were considered to be the biggest threats to world peace : says it all .
 
Originally posted by el Inglés
Why hate America ? What is there to like ? all you seem to want to do is stuff your culture , religion and world view down our throats , by force or threat . Go home and grow up .
And please take your fanatical brand of christianity with you , your no better than those nuts of Bin ladin or Sharon .
In a recent poll in Europe the US and Isreal were considered to be the biggest threats to world peace : says it all .

Hey #ussy, your aviatar suits you...By the way, you need to add this to your signature...

Too old to rock and roll, too young to die too stupid to be taken seriously!
 
Originally posted by zapper
Hey #ussy, your aviatar suits you...By the way, you need to add this to your signature...

Too old to rock and roll, too young to die too stupid to be taken seriously!

Zapper,

There is always someone who feels inadequate about his or her own small contribution to the world so why not hate or blame the only remaining world superpower?
When some third world country is starving (usually caused by their own totalitarian Marxist government) we’re expected to step in and feed the hungry, the UN has shown time and time again that it just can’t get it up (perhaps they need a little testosterone injection).

But we catch hell when things get messy, it’s always out fault, this is mainly do to the morally bankrupt mentality of “perception is reality”.

The world media loves to perpetuate this, think about it, what sells papers, airtime, or radio advertisement??? Sensationalism, scandal, corruption, negative reporting, why do you think there are so many of those “National Enquirer” type tabloids? People are sheepish and week, if everyone read “Rise and Fall of the great Powers” by Paul Kennedy, or any other respected book on geopolitics, people would not be drawn to these simplistic one sided conclusions about US foreign policy, they might even grasp the role of the US in relation to the world today.

I love the reference to “fanatical brand of Christianity” like we threaten the world with our generosity, what has secular humanism ever done for the world? Stalin, ******, Mao, Pol Pot, perhaps I should feel guilty for having a moral conviction; I refuse to submit to the convenient, irresponsible moral revivalism that plagues the world today (seems to be the platform of the left). Congratulations on the extermination of over 100 MILLION people (accomplished by the afore mentioned world leaders of secular humanism).

I’m supposed to feel guilty about building a mission in some third world dump?
No one threatens to kill if you don’t accept Christ as your savior, your eternal salvation is YOUR responsibility, I may not agree with everything the Christian Right stand for but to compare them to “Bin Laden” is just retarded.

Yes there are many aspects of American culture that are pathetic, but you have a CHOICE to either be a sheep and watch mainstream TV shows (fake reality TV, sitcoms), eat fast food, and be a slave to consumerism, or you can insist on being an individual (the people on the left insist that they’re such individuals but they all seem to follow each others knee jerk mentality and I’ve yet to see anyone have courage and offer any viable alternatives to the status quo).

I could ramble on and on about a myriad of cultural and economical shortcomings of Europe, but I live in the real world and recognize that there is always room for improvement, to be vindictive, negative and hateful is to be small.

Anyone who has spent time in the US (try visiting Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, the Rocky Mountains, NYC, etc) would have a difficult time hating the US, I traveled much of the Western World and I’ve yet to find a better place or people.

Let these geeks hate the US, there is nothing they can do about it (what are they going to do, fight us??? LOL!!!!). I hope the rest of the world hates us so they stay away and don’t infect us with their “huddled masses” of criminals, drug dealers, lazy parasitic socialists and cigarette smoking, unemployed Euros with bad hygiene.
 
Originally posted by Espada9
Zapper,

There is always someone who feels inadequate about his or her own small contribution to the world so why not hate or blame the only remaining world superpower?
When some third world country is starving (usually caused by their own totalitarian Marxist government) we’re expected to step in and feed the hungry, the UN has shown time and time again that it just can’t get it up (perhaps they need a little testosterone injection).

Yeah, I agree...especially this putz...Loser boy, hates America and pop culture yet displays his *****.....cat and displays a song title from the U.K. Rocker...Ian Anderson..but this putz probably thinks his name is really Jethro Tull... I don't take him seriously..just like abusing him...I figure, if he thinks all Americans act that way...why disapoint him:D
 
Originally posted by Espada9
Zapper,

There is always someone who feels inadequate about his or her own small contribution to the world so why not hate or blame the only remaining world superpower?
When some third world country is starving (usually caused by their own totalitarian Marxist government) we’re expected to step in and feed the hungry, the UN has shown time and time again that it just can’t get it up (perhaps they need a little testosterone injection).

But we catch hell when things get messy, it’s always out fault, this is mainly do to the morally bankrupt mentality of “perception is reality”.

The world media loves to perpetuate this, think about it, what sells papers, airtime, or radio advertisement??? Sensationalism, scandal, corruption, negative reporting, why do you think there are so many of those “National Enquirer” type tabloids? People are sheepish and week, if everyone read “Rise and Fall of the great Powers” by Paul Kennedy, or any other respected book on geopolitics, people would not be drawn to these simplistic one sided conclusions about US foreign policy, they might even grasp the role of the US in relation to the world today.

I love the reference to “fanatical brand of Christianity” like we threaten the world with our generosity, what has secular humanism ever done for the world? Stalin, ******, Mao, Pol Pot, perhaps I should feel guilty for having a moral conviction; I refuse to submit to the convenient, irresponsible moral revivalism that plagues the world today (seems to be the platform of the left). Congratulations on the extermination of over 100 MILLION people (accomplished by the afore mentioned world leaders of secular humanism).

I’m supposed to feel guilty about building a mission in some third world dump?
No one threatens to kill if you don’t accept Christ as your savior, your eternal salvation is YOUR responsibility, I may not agree with everything the Christian Right stand for but to compare them to “Bin Laden” is just retarded.

Yes there are many aspects of American culture that are pathetic, but you have a CHOICE to either be a sheep and watch mainstream TV shows (fake reality TV, sitcoms), eat fast food, and be a slave to consumerism, or you can insist on being an individual (the people on the left insist that they’re such individuals but they all seem to follow each others knee jerk mentality and I’ve yet to see anyone have courage and offer any viable alternatives to the status quo).

I could ramble on and on about a myriad of cultural and economical shortcomings of Europe, but I live in the real world and recognize that there is always room for improvement, to be vindictive, negative and hateful is to be small.

Anyone who has spent time in the US (try visiting Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, the Rocky Mountains, NYC, etc) would have a difficult time hating the US, I traveled much of the Western World and I’ve yet to find a better place or people.

Let these geeks hate the US, there is nothing they can do about it (what are they going to do, fight us??? LOL!!!!). I hope the rest of the world hates us so they stay away and don’t infect us with their “huddled masses” of criminals, drug dealers, lazy parasitic socialists and cigarette smoking, unemployed Euros with bad hygiene.

I don't think that people here who hold an opposing view to yours are saying that all things American and every single
American should be hated by every non-American.

Your country is a great nation in a lot of respects :
I haven't met an American either here as a tourist or when I have been to your country on holiday, who has been unpleasant or inpolite.
Far from it - they are unfailingly nice people.
Your country has taken in millions of people who have sought
a home and a life and a chance to progress.
No one could argue against these facts.
Yes, the sacrifice made by the US in WW2 must always be remembered too - Europe owes the US a lot for helping to turn the tide of that war.
Look at the Marshall plan that helped to reconstruct Europe -
without American aid, Germany and a lot of mainland Europe
would still be rubble.

I look at my own country - it took Senator George Mitchell to come here to beat heads together to make people see sense
and to live in peace.
Ireland owes a lot to the USA for this.
Look at the former Yugoslavia - it is Europes shame that we stood
by as the Serbs slaughtered the Muslims of Bosnia.
The US stopped that barbarity.
We, Europeans should be ashamed of allowing atrocities to be
committed in the late 20th century.

Like any country - there are good and bad aspects.
I do think that the US foreign policy in respect of Iraq was wrong.
But no one can take away from the positives which I have mentioned.
I believe the positives far outweigh the negatives in respect of the USA.
 
Originally posted by limerickman
I don't think that people here who hold an opposing view to yours are saying that all things American and every single
American should be hated by every non-American.

Your country is a great nation in a lot of respects :
I haven't met an American either here as a tourist or when I have been to your country on holiday, who has been unpleasant or inpolite.
Far from it - they are unfailingly nice people.
Your country has taken in millions of people who have sought
a home and a life and a chance to progress.
No one could argue against these facts.
Yes, the sacrifice made by the US in WW2 must always be remembered too - Europe owes the US a lot for helping to turn the tide of that war.
Look at the Marshall plan that helped to reconstruct Europe -
without American aid, Germany and a lot of mainland Europe
would still be rubble.

I look at my own country - it took Senator George Mitchell to come here to beat heads together to make people see sense
and to live in peace.
Ireland owes a lot to the USA for this.
Look at the former Yugoslavia - it is Europes shame that we stood
by as the Serbs slaughtered the Muslims of Bosnia.
The US stopped that barbarity.
We, Europeans should be ashamed of allowing atrocities to be
committed in the late 20th century.

Like any country - there are good and bad aspects.
I do think that the US foreign policy in respect of Iraq was wrong.
But no one can take away from the positives which I have mentioned.
I believe the positives far outweigh the negatives in respect of the USA.

If you are indeed Irish, then hating the US would be like hating your brother (more people of Irish ancestry than anywhere else in the world, including Ireland).
Even your buddy George Bush (as well as mine Bill Clinton) has Irish blood (as do I, a double Celt, my Castilian great grandfather married a woman from Dublin, my great grandmother).

In my passionate youth I hade a very mixed opinion regarding the politics of Ireland, I was compelled to support the IRA because I’m catholic (is there such thing as a Spanish prod?) and I didn’t like to see what I perceived as an occupation of Ireland by the big bully, England.

On the other hand I hate to see innocent civilians murdered by acts of terrorism, regardless of the cause, an undeclared war against civilians as well as military targets caused me to back away from voicing my opinion on the justification for the IRAs reign of terror.

I think it comes down to what side do you take, what cause do you support and what side do you ignore, it’s not a black and white issue and the choice often comes down to the lesser of two evils.

I don’t care under what guise the US invaded Iraq, if Sadam had WMDs like EVERYONE suspected, or if he stole Bush’s favorite Baseball card, the entire world will be better off without him (the people of Iraq in particular).

What disappoints me is that our supposed allies don’t just disagree with our policy, they gleefully anticipate our failure and thus the failure of the entire nation of Iraq just so they can be perceived as right, or use the chaos as a way of gaining a little power on the world stage.

Think about the countries we’re talking about here (France, Germany, Russia) and look at all of the blood on their hands from their “colonial” period that still has negative consequences (the continent of Africa is a good example).
 
Questions:
1. Where are you from? texas
2. Do you hate the U.S.? no. i hate that stupid people that make up way too much of the population/government for my tastes. and i hate ****** for turning us on to this paranoia.
3. Did we deserve to be attacked on 9/11? [/B][/QUOTE]
probably. it should teach us about sticking our noses in other peoples business. i'm wondering if that whole john titor thing will come true.
 
Not all liberals just complain without offering alternatives. Thanks to liberalism, many good things have resulted. It would be like me asserting that all conservatives do is to make as much money as possible with no concern for others.

You also probably realize that Europe/the rest of the world is not the only place where "criminals, drug dealers, lazy parasitic socialists" and other unemployed persons live. The US has its fair share. Of course, most of the world has a much higher unemployment rate. And many European countries seem to be more adamant in their smoking. So Europe is obviously not without its faults, big and small.

On an unrelated note, I hate reality tv. There's no need to have the "fake" in front to describe it :p.
 
Originally posted by keydates
Not all liberals just complain without offering alternatives. Thanks to liberalism, many good things have resulted. It would be like me asserting that all conservatives do is to make as much money as possible with no concern for others.

You also probably realize that Europe/the rest of the world is not the only place where "criminals, drug dealers, lazy parasitic socialists" and other unemployed persons live. The US has its fair share. Of course, most of the world has a much higher unemployment rate. And many European countries seem to be more adamant in their smoking. So Europe is obviously not without its faults, big and small.

On an unrelated note, I hate reality tv. There's no need to have the "fake" in front to describe it :p.
OK fair enough, but I put the term “fake” in front of reality TV because once again the ideology of “all things being equal” seems to have become the order of the day (moral revivalism???). REALITY TV implies that the scenarios are representative of the real world, but only a fool could believe reality TV is real, I called it like it is, FAKE!

Yes, depending on where you draw the center-line, liberalism is a VERY good thing, like for instance under the NAZI regime I would be considered a liberal (belief in the freedom of religion, free speech, right to protest, right to assemble, right to burn the F&*^ing flag if I want). So what does that make me, a liberal? I would also be called a liberal under the Soviet regime, but you can take a good thing too far, once the idea no longer becomes sustainable, it ends up destroying the system it purports to represent/defend, you can push the line too far.

We are at a point in time where the right of the individual infringes on the right of society.
The majority pays for individuals RIGHT to be irresponsible, lazy, complain, and destroy.
There is no incentive to be accountable, responsible, disciplined, generous, courageous, the smash and grab mentality is taking over, take what you can get and F the rest.

Where does this stereotype of conservatives cornering the market in greed come from?
ALL of the conservatives I know have made their own way in the world, and the irony is that I seem to be able to trust in them to not flake much more than my “do good” liberal friends.
Class warfare is made the battleground between right and left by whom? That’s right the MEGGA RICH ULTRA LEFT, who, if they practiced what they preach, would offer there spare time and cash to charity (they have plenty of both).
I distance myself from the idle rich regardless of their political affiliation but to cry wolf when while you devour the entire flock is just hypocrisy.
 
People like...Paris Hilton?

I don't know...would you call the Soviet government liberal? I think it was just plain Communist. Stalin was a paranoid psychotic.

The original definition of liberalism was probably more like what conservatism is today: desire for individual freedom, laissez-faire economics, etc. It's in one of my notebooks somewhere. Crazy how terms can shift to completely different meanings, eh?
 
Originally posted by keydates
People like...Paris Hilton?

I don't know...would you call the Soviet government liberal? I think it was just plain Communist. Stalin was a paranoid psychotic.

The original definition of liberalism was probably more like what conservatism is today: desire for individual freedom, laissez-faire economics, etc. It's in one of my notebooks somewhere. Crazy how terms can shift to completely different meanings, eh?

I didn’t describe the Soviet Union liberal; I tried to make the point of how the same principles can be seen as either liberal or conservative from two opposing systems (National Socialism-Nazism and Marxist-Communism).

My beliefs would have been seen as liberal by both the Nazi party and Soviet Russia, yet here in the US I’m considered a conservative (I’m considered to be fairly liberal when is comes to social issues).

I think of myself as a Jeffersonian Republican, some people call this Libertarian but I have some major disagreements with the Libertarian party (mainly the isolationist stance on foreign policy).
 
Originally posted by keydates
People like...Paris Hilton?

I don't know...would you call the Soviet government liberal? I think it was just plain Communist. Stalin was a paranoid psychotic.

The original definition of liberalism was probably more like what conservatism is today: desire for individual freedom, laissez-faire economics, etc. It's in one of my notebooks somewhere. Crazy how terms can shift to completely different meanings, eh?

I dont think you could call the Soviet Government liberal, but you sure as hell cant call it communist. The soviet union was about as communist as the modern day terrorist is Muslem. Stalin was a paranoid psychoic, end of story...nothing communist about him. Communism was a word used to create populist support for one side in a power struggle and although their original ideas may have been leftist based, they abandond these very early. I am proud to call myself a communist, but realistic enough to know that pure communism, like pure capitalism, require a complete lack of greed from everybody which is unrealistic givin human nature.